Unpleasant Facts about Race

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For those who care to do the research, it is an incontrovertible fact that the average IQ of "black" Africans is approximately 70. For African Americans, it is in the range of 85. Other racial groups also deviate from the mean by fairly predictable margins. Asians' average is in the range of 107-110, and at the top of the scale are Ashkenazi Jews at 115. Of course, European-caucasian Americans hover around 100, which is obvious. Male and female differences are more interesting statistically, and of course there is little study on that contrast.

There are other racial traits that are interesting and could warrant further study. Having worked in a mens' clothing store for a couple years I am aware that the proportions of black & white male bodies are significantly different on average. Blacks have longer arms and legs relative to height, and barring obesity, they have narrower hips and smaller waists than the typical caucasian build.

Noah Carl, a British social scientist has been scorned and his work banished in Academe because he merely suggests that racial differences in intelligence are a subject worthy of serious academic study.

Clearly, there is social "danger" in such research. If (when) it finds that American "blacks," on average, are less intelligent than average American whites and Asians, many racists will both literally and figuratively say, "I TOLD YOU SO!" and use that as an academic justification for overt racism. And this would be appalling. Individuals are individuals, and ALL should be evaluated (in circumstances where evaluation is appropriate) on the basis of their own strengths and weakness, and not on the relative strengths and weaknesses of the group to which they belong. To do otherwise is immoral and unacceptable.

But what would be the point of examining racial differences in intelligence? Well, for one thing, for the past 60 years or so, American academics - mainly in big cities - have been fretting and launching one expensive initiative after another to "close the achievement gap" between Black and white school children. To those not blind to the real racial differences in intelligence, these initiatives are ridiculous, pointless, and doomed to failure. The only time when groups of Blacks are going to perform up to and beyond the norms of everyone else is when the Black group is preselected for individual ability...either self-selected by caring parents, or by academic prequalification.

Rather than pursuing the impossible-but-pleasant-sounding goal of "eliminating the race gap," "we" should be thriving to create an education system where disadvantaged INDIVIDUALS with above-average talent can be nurtured to achieve as much as their abilities allow, in a productive, enriched environment. Whether that is in a Charter School, or separate classes within their present school, or through subsidized tuition to private schools, at least it is something that CAN succeed. As opposed to a goal that will NEVER succeed without cooking the books.

And in the meantime, we should STOP publishing test scores by race. THAT is something that has no real value.

Should race-based ability studies be prohibited? In effect, this is the current situation in Academe.
 
To the contrary, unpleasant "PROPAGANDA' about Race.

Do you miss StormFront since it ended up in the trashcan?
 
Within reason I don’t care what a black child’s IQ is relative to anyone else’s, black or otherwise. But here is something I believe is true. If every black child headed off to school on day one knowing they are expected to behave in class, pay attention to what the teacher is saying, etc. because they are there to learn and educate themselves, the results would be much different and better for them and their futures. But that influence has to come from home, from family a child knows and trusts, but it’s not happening to any degree needed to make a difference and that’s too bad because until it does subsequent generations are doomed to follow their predecessors. And the cycle will just keep rolling along...
 
For those who care to do the research, it is an incontrovertible fact that the average IQ of "black" Africans is approximately 70. For African Americans, it is in the range of 85. Other racial groups also deviate from the mean by fairly predictable margins. Asians' average is in the range of 107-110, and at the top of the scale are Ashkenazi Jews at 115. Of course, European-caucasian Americans hover around 100, which is obvious. Male and female differences are more interesting statistically, and of course there is little study on that contrast.

There are other racial traits that are interesting and could warrant further study. Having worked in a mens' clothing store for a couple years I am aware that the proportions of black & white male bodies are significantly different on average. Blacks have longer arms and legs relative to height, and barring obesity, they have narrower hips and smaller waists than the typical caucasian build.

Noah Carl, a British social scientist has been scorned and his work banished in Academe because he merely suggests that racial differences in intelligence are a subject worthy of serious academic study.

Clearly, there is social "danger" in such research. If (when) it finds that American "blacks," on average, are less intelligent than average American whites and Asians, many racists will both literally and figuratively say, "I TOLD YOU SO!" and use that as an academic justification for overt racism. And this would be appalling. Individuals are individuals, and ALL should be evaluated (in circumstances where evaluation is appropriate) on the basis of their own strengths and weakness, and not on the relative strengths and weaknesses of the group to which they belong. To do otherwise is immoral and unacceptable.

But what would be the point of examining racial differences in intelligence? Well, for one thing, for the past 60 years or so, American academics - mainly in big cities - have been fretting and launching one expensive initiative after another to "close the achievement gap" between Black and white school children. To those not blind to the real racial differences in intelligence, these initiatives are ridiculous, pointless, and doomed to failure. The only time when groups of Blacks are going to perform up to and beyond the norms of everyone else is when the Black group is preselected for individual ability...either self-selected by caring parents, or by academic prequalification.

Rather than pursuing the impossible-but-pleasant-sounding goal of "eliminating the race gap," "we" should be thriving to create an education system where disadvantaged INDIVIDUALS with above-average talent can be nurtured to achieve as much as their abilities allow, in a productive, enriched environment. Whether that is in a Charter School, or separate classes within their present school, or through subsidized tuition to private schools, at least it is something that CAN succeed. As opposed to a goal that will NEVER succeed without cooking the books.

And in the meantime, we should STOP publishing test scores by race. THAT is something that has no real value.

Should race-based ability studies be prohibited? In effect, this is the current situation in Academe.
Hitler agreed with you and did many of those same types of studies
 
Within reason I don’t care what a black child’s IQ is relative to anyone else’s, black or otherwise. But here is something I believe is true. If every black child headed off to school on day one knowing they are expected to behave in class, pay attention to what the teacher is saying, etc. because they are there to learn and educate themselves, the results would be much different and better for them and their futures. But that influence has to come from home, from family a child knows and trusts, but it’s not happening to any degree needed to make a difference and that’s too bad because until it does subsequent generations are doomed to follow their predecessors. And the cycle will just keep rolling along...
Applies to poor white children too
 
For those who care to do the research, it is an incontrovertible fact that the average IQ of "black" Africans is approximately 70. For African Americans, it is in the range of 85. Other racial groups also deviate from the mean by fairly predictable margins. Asians' average is in the range of 107-110, and at the top of the scale are Ashkenazi Jews at 115. Of course, European-caucasian Americans hover around 100, which is obvious. Male and female differences are more interesting statistically, and of course there is little study on that contrast.

There are other racial traits that are interesting and could warrant further study. Having worked in a mens' clothing store for a couple years I am aware that the proportions of black & white male bodies are significantly different on average. Blacks have longer arms and legs relative to height, and barring obesity, they have narrower hips and smaller waists than the typical caucasian build.

Noah Carl, a British social scientist has been scorned and his work banished in Academe because he merely suggests that racial differences in intelligence are a subject worthy of serious academic study.

Clearly, there is social "danger" in such research. If (when) it finds that American "blacks," on average, are less intelligent than average American whites and Asians, many racists will both literally and figuratively say, "I TOLD YOU SO!" and use that as an academic justification for overt racism. And this would be appalling. Individuals are individuals, and ALL should be evaluated (in circumstances where evaluation is appropriate) on the basis of their own strengths and weakness, and not on the relative strengths and weaknesses of the group to which they belong. To do otherwise is immoral and unacceptable.

But what would be the point of examining racial differences in intelligence? Well, for one thing, for the past 60 years or so, American academics - mainly in big cities - have been fretting and launching one expensive initiative after another to "close the achievement gap" between Black and white school children. To those not blind to the real racial differences in intelligence, these initiatives are ridiculous, pointless, and doomed to failure. The only time when groups of Blacks are going to perform up to and beyond the norms of everyone else is when the Black group is preselected for individual ability...either self-selected by caring parents, or by academic prequalification.

Rather than pursuing the impossible-but-pleasant-sounding goal of "eliminating the race gap," "we" should be thriving to create an education system where disadvantaged INDIVIDUALS with above-average talent can be nurtured to achieve as much as their abilities allow, in a productive, enriched environment. Whether that is in a Charter School, or separate classes within their present school, or through subsidized tuition to private schools, at least it is something that CAN succeed. As opposed to a goal that will NEVER succeed without cooking the books.

And in the meantime, we should STOP publishing test scores by race. THAT is something that has no real value.

Should race-based ability studies be prohibited? In effect, this is the current situation in Academe.

Go read a little more and post an argument against your post. When your understanding of the issue reaches the informed point we'll have a discussion. Until then remember the Idiocracy has protected you.
 
For those who care to do the research, it is an incontrovertible fact that the average IQ of "black" Africans is approximately 70. For African Americans, it is in the range of 85. Other racial groups also deviate from the mean by fairly predictable margins. Asians' average is in the range of 107-110, and at the top of the scale are Ashkenazi Jews at 115. Of course, European-caucasian Americans hover around 100, which is obvious. Male and female differences are more interesting statistically, and of course there is little study on that contrast.

There are other racial traits that are interesting and could warrant further study. Having worked in a mens' clothing store for a couple years I am aware that the proportions of black & white male bodies are significantly different on average. Blacks have longer arms and legs relative to height, and barring obesity, they have narrower hips and smaller waists than the typical caucasian build.

Noah Carl, a British social scientist has been scorned and his work banished in Academe because he merely suggests that racial differences in intelligence are a subject worthy of serious academic study.

Clearly, there is social "danger" in such research. If (when) it finds that American "blacks," on average, are less intelligent than average American whites and Asians, many racists will both literally and figuratively say, "I TOLD YOU SO!" and use that as an academic justification for overt racism. And this would be appalling. Individuals are individuals, and ALL should be evaluated (in circumstances where evaluation is appropriate) on the basis of their own strengths and weakness, and not on the relative strengths and weaknesses of the group to which they belong. To do otherwise is immoral and unacceptable.

But what would be the point of examining racial differences in intelligence? Well, for one thing, for the past 60 years or so, American academics - mainly in big cities - have been fretting and launching one expensive initiative after another to "close the achievement gap" between Black and white school children. To those not blind to the real racial differences in intelligence, these initiatives are ridiculous, pointless, and doomed to failure. The only time when groups of Blacks are going to perform up to and beyond the norms of everyone else is when the Black group is preselected for individual ability...either self-selected by caring parents, or by academic prequalification.

Rather than pursuing the impossible-but-pleasant-sounding goal of "eliminating the race gap," "we" should be thriving to create an education system where disadvantaged INDIVIDUALS with above-average talent can be nurtured to achieve as much as their abilities allow, in a productive, enriched environment. Whether that is in a Charter School, or separate classes within their present school, or through subsidized tuition to private schools, at least it is something that CAN succeed. As opposed to a goal that will NEVER succeed without cooking the books.

And in the meantime, we should STOP publishing test scores by race. THAT is something that has no real value.

Should race-based ability studies be prohibited? In effect, this is the current situation in Academe.
Taboo Topic -- Be prepared to be tarred and feathered.
 
OP should read about the Flynn effect:

The Flynn Effect: A Meta-analysis
The Flynn Effect within Subgroups in the U.S.: Gender, Race, Income, Education, and Urbanization Differences in the NLSY-Children Data
The Flynn Effect and IQ Disparities Among Races, Ethnicities, and Nations: Are There Common Links?

Mainly in order to appreciate the problems with appealing to IQ test results as a measure of "innate" intelligence as a consequence of strictly biological differences between populations. Also because the data in the OP is decades out of date.
 
For those who care to do the research, it is an incontrovertible fact that the average IQ of "black" Africans is approximately 70. For African Americans, it is in the range of 85. Other racial groups also deviate from the mean by fairly predictable margins. Asians' average is in the range of 107-110, and at the top of the scale are Ashkenazi Jews at 115. Of course, European-caucasian Americans hover around 100, which is obvious. Male and female differences are more interesting statistically, and of course there is little study on that contrast.

There are other racial traits that are interesting and could warrant further study. Having worked in a mens' clothing store for a couple years I am aware that the proportions of black & white male bodies are significantly different on average. Blacks have longer arms and legs relative to height, and barring obesity, they have narrower hips and smaller waists than the typical caucasian build.

Noah Carl, a British social scientist has been scorned and his work banished in Academe because he merely suggests that racial differences in intelligence are a subject worthy of serious academic study.

Clearly, there is social "danger" in such research. If (when) it finds that American "blacks," on average, are less intelligent than average American whites and Asians, many racists will both literally and figuratively say, "I TOLD YOU SO!" and use that as an academic justification for overt racism. And this would be appalling. Individuals are individuals, and ALL should be evaluated (in circumstances where evaluation is appropriate) on the basis of their own strengths and weakness, and not on the relative strengths and weaknesses of the group to which they belong. To do otherwise is immoral and unacceptable.

But what would be the point of examining racial differences in intelligence? Well, for one thing, for the past 60 years or so, American academics - mainly in big cities - have been fretting and launching one expensive initiative after another to "close the achievement gap" between Black and white school children. To those not blind to the real racial differences in intelligence, these initiatives are ridiculous, pointless, and doomed to failure. The only time when groups of Blacks are going to perform up to and beyond the norms of everyone else is when the Black group is preselected for individual ability...either self-selected by caring parents, or by academic prequalification.

Rather than pursuing the impossible-but-pleasant-sounding goal of "eliminating the race gap," "we" should be thriving to create an education system where disadvantaged INDIVIDUALS with above-average talent can be nurtured to achieve as much as their abilities allow, in a productive, enriched environment. Whether that is in a Charter School, or separate classes within their present school, or through subsidized tuition to private schools, at least it is something that CAN succeed. As opposed to a goal that will NEVER succeed without cooking the books.

And in the meantime, we should STOP publishing test scores by race. THAT is something that has no real value.

Should race-based ability studies be prohibited? In effect, this is the current situation in Academe.

Theres nothing inherently wrong with race based studies however they should euthanize the ones that take advantage of your ignorance and stupidity. Why is it always the dumbest whites that try to prove Blacks are dumb? I mean it never fails. :rolleyes:

Sub-Saharan African Immigrants in U.S. More Educated Than Those in Top EU Countries

"Sub-Saharan immigrants in the United States are also more highly educated than U.S. native-born population"
 
For those who care to do the research, it is an incontrovertible fact that the average IQ of "black" Africans is approximately 70. For African Americans, it is in the range of 85. Other racial groups also deviate from the mean by fairly predictable margins. Asians' average is in the range of 107-110, and at the top of the scale are Ashkenazi Jews at 115. Of course, European-caucasian Americans hover around 100, which is obvious. Male and female differences are more interesting statistically, and of course there is little study on that contrast.

There are other racial traits that are interesting and could warrant further study. Having worked in a mens' clothing store for a couple years I am aware that the proportions of black & white male bodies are significantly different on average. Blacks have longer arms and legs relative to height, and barring obesity, they have narrower hips and smaller waists than the typical caucasian build.

Noah Carl, a British social scientist has been scorned and his work banished in Academe because he merely suggests that racial differences in intelligence are a subject worthy of serious academic study.

Clearly, there is social "danger" in such research. If (when) it finds that American "blacks," on average, are less intelligent than average American whites and Asians, many racists will both literally and figuratively say, "I TOLD YOU SO!" and use that as an academic justification for overt racism. And this would be appalling. Individuals are individuals, and ALL should be evaluated (in circumstances where evaluation is appropriate) on the basis of their own strengths and weakness, and not on the relative strengths and weaknesses of the group to which they belong. To do otherwise is immoral and unacceptable.

But what would be the point of examining racial differences in intelligence? Well, for one thing, for the past 60 years or so, American academics - mainly in big cities - have been fretting and launching one expensive initiative after another to "close the achievement gap" between Black and white school children. To those not blind to the real racial differences in intelligence, these initiatives are ridiculous, pointless, and doomed to failure. The only time when groups of Blacks are going to perform up to and beyond the norms of everyone else is when the Black group is preselected for individual ability...either self-selected by caring parents, or by academic prequalification.

Rather than pursuing the impossible-but-pleasant-sounding goal of "eliminating the race gap," "we" should be thriving to create an education system where disadvantaged INDIVIDUALS with above-average talent can be nurtured to achieve as much as their abilities allow, in a productive, enriched environment. Whether that is in a Charter School, or separate classes within their present school, or through subsidized tuition to private schools, at least it is something that CAN succeed. As opposed to a goal that will NEVER succeed without cooking the books.

And in the meantime, we should STOP publishing test scores by race. THAT is something that has no real value.

Should race-based ability studies be prohibited? In effect, this is the current situation in Academe.
Whites are violent warmongers. When they’re not slaughtering each other they’re looking for others to butcher and murder. Asians are far superior. We’ll treat you well if you don’t resist too much. Don’t worry :itsok:
 
So...Sub-Sahahan African immigrants in the U.S. are more highly educated...

So what?

Are you seriously proposing that African immigrants to the U.S.are random sampling of Sub-Saharan Africans?

Nah. No one could be that oblivious to the concept of a "biased sample."
 
So...Sub-Sahahan African immigrants in the U.S. are more highly educated...

So what?

Are you seriously proposing that African immigrants to the U.S.are random sampling of Sub-Saharan Africans?

Nah. No one could be that oblivious to the concept of a "biased sample."
Kind of kills your whole notion of IQ being something real or measurable. Especially since whites were last to civilization. :rolleyes:
 
For those who care to do the research, it is an incontrovertible fact that the average IQ of "black" Africans is approximately 70. For African Americans, it is in the range of 85. Other racial groups also deviate from the mean by fairly predictable margins. Asians' average is in the range of 107-110, and at the top of the scale are Ashkenazi Jews at 115. Of course, European-caucasian Americans hover around 100, which is obvious. Male and female differences are more interesting statistically, and of course there is little study on that contrast.

There are other racial traits that are interesting and could warrant further study. Having worked in a mens' clothing store for a couple years I am aware that the proportions of black & white male bodies are significantly different on average. Blacks have longer arms and legs relative to height, and barring obesity, they have narrower hips and smaller waists than the typical caucasian build.

Noah Carl, a British social scientist has been scorned and his work banished in Academe because he merely suggests that racial differences in intelligence are a subject worthy of serious academic study.

Clearly, there is social "danger" in such research. If (when) it finds that American "blacks," on average, are less intelligent than average American whites and Asians, many racists will both literally and figuratively say, "I TOLD YOU SO!" and use that as an academic justification for overt racism. And this would be appalling. Individuals are individuals, and ALL should be evaluated (in circumstances where evaluation is appropriate) on the basis of their own strengths and weakness, and not on the relative strengths and weaknesses of the group to which they belong. To do otherwise is immoral and unacceptable.

But what would be the point of examining racial differences in intelligence? Well, for one thing, for the past 60 years or so, American academics - mainly in big cities - have been fretting and launching one expensive initiative after another to "close the achievement gap" between Black and white school children. To those not blind to the real racial differences in intelligence, these initiatives are ridiculous, pointless, and doomed to failure. The only time when groups of Blacks are going to perform up to and beyond the norms of everyone else is when the Black group is preselected for individual ability...either self-selected by caring parents, or by academic prequalification.

Rather than pursuing the impossible-but-pleasant-sounding goal of "eliminating the race gap," "we" should be thriving to create an education system where disadvantaged INDIVIDUALS with above-average talent can be nurtured to achieve as much as their abilities allow, in a productive, enriched environment. Whether that is in a Charter School, or separate classes within their present school, or through subsidized tuition to private schools, at least it is something that CAN succeed. As opposed to a goal that will NEVER succeed without cooking the books.

And in the meantime, we should STOP publishing test scores by race. THAT is something that has no real value.

Should race-based ability studies be prohibited? In effect, this is the current situation in Academe.

Fake news.
 
it is an incontrovertible fact that the average IQ of "black" Africans is approximately 70. For African Americans, it is in the range of 85.

In fact, it is highly controvertible. It has been controverted many, many times.

IQ is a measure of acquired knowledge, not a test of cognitive ability. Lack of early childhood education, or access to early childhood education can greatly skew the test scores in the same cohorts.
 
It's the Bell Curve that liberals refuse to recognize. Ignore the Bell Curve and the IQ problem goes away.
 
it is an incontrovertible fact that the average IQ of "black" Africans is approximately 70. For African Americans, it is in the range of 85.

In fact, it is highly controvertible. It has been controverted many, many times.

IQ is a measure of acquired knowledge, not a test of cognitive ability. Lack of early childhood education, or access to early childhood education can greatly skew the test scores in the same cohorts.

it is an incontrovertible fact that the average IQ of "black" Africans is approximately 70. For African Americans, it is in the range of 85.

In fact, it is highly controvertible. It has been controverted many, many times.

IQ is a measure of acquired knowledge, not a test of cognitive ability. Lack of early childhood education, or access to early childhood education can greatly skew the test scores in the same cohorts.

The IQ test consists of a number of tasks measuring various measures of intelligence including short-term memory, analytical thinking, mathematical ability and spatial recognition. Like all IQ tests it does not attempt to measure the amount of information you have learned but rather your capacity to learn

Got dat boyo?
 
it is an incontrovertible fact that the average IQ of "black" Africans is approximately 70. For African Americans, it is in the range of 85.

In fact, it is highly controvertible. It has been controverted many, many times.

IQ is a measure of acquired knowledge, not a test of cognitive ability. Lack of early childhood education, or access to early childhood education can greatly skew the test scores in the same cohorts.

it is an incontrovertible fact that the average IQ of "black" Africans is approximately 70. For African Americans, it is in the range of 85.

In fact, it is highly controvertible. It has been controverted many, many times.

IQ is a measure of acquired knowledge, not a test of cognitive ability. Lack of early childhood education, or access to early childhood education can greatly skew the test scores in the same cohorts.

The IQ test consists of a number of tasks measuring various measures of intelligence including short-term memory, analytical thinking, mathematical ability and spatial recognition. Like all IQ tests it does not attempt to measure the amount of information you have learned but rather your capacity to learn

Got dat boyo?

The components of any standard IQ Test include...

  1. Verbal Intelligence
  2. Mathematical Ability
  3. Spatial Reasoning Skills
  4. Visual/Perceptual Skills
  5. Classification Skills
  6. Logical Reasoning Skills
  7. Pattern Recognition Skills
The final score of an IQ test is derived from dividing a person's mental age by their chronological age, and then multiplying by 100

It's a measure of how much knowledge you've accumulated compared to what is average for your age cohort (the normative sample). Higher accumulation of knowledge than your chronological age results in a higher IQ score, and vice versa.
 

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