Zone1 What is racial justice?

[RetiredGySgt]

You do realize that the Vietnam war was a tragic mistake, and that those who refused to go were right. The same demographic rushed to enlist in the aftermath of 9/11.

Not everyone who refuses to fight is a coward. I was once accosted by a guy in a bar who wanted to fight me. I told the bartender to call the police as "this guy was threatening to assault me". At that he backed off and left me alone. I didn't know him and he didn't know me.

However, while in the Army I was accosted by another soldier (for no good reason) and I had to fight him. Fortunately, I prevailed as I got the first punch in.

Viet Nam was no mistake other than not supporting Ho Chi Mein in the 40s once he went communist it was the right fight to make.

 

[Hector12]

Viet Nam was no mistake other than not supporting Ho Chi Minh in the 40s once he went communist it was the right fight to make.

Final declaration, dated July 21, 1954, of the Geneva Conference on the problem of restoring peace in Indochina, in which the representatives of Cambodia, the Democratic Republic of Viet-Nam, France, Laos, the People's Republic of China, the State of Viet-Nam, the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, the United Kingdom and the United States of America took part...

4. The Conference takes note of the clauses in the agreement on the cessation of hostilities in Viet-Nam prohibiting the introduction into Viet Nam of foreign troops and military personnel as well as of all kinds of arms and munitions...

5. The Conference takes note of the clauses in the agreement on the cessation of hostilities in Viet-Nam to the effect that no military base at the disposition of a foreign state may be established in the regrouping zones of the two parties...

6. The Conference recognizes that the essential purpose of the agreement relating to Viet-Nam is to settle military questions with a view to ending hostilities and that the military demarcation line should not in any way be interpreted as constituting a political or territorial boundary...

7. In order to insure that sufficient progress in the restoration of peace has been made, and that all the necessary conditions obtain for free expression of the national will, general elections shall be held in July 1956, under the supervision of an international commission composed of representatives of the member states of the International Supervisory Commission referred to in the agreement on the cessation of hostilities. Consultations will be held on this subject between the competent representative authorities of the two zones from April 20, 1955, on wards.

Source:

from "The Department of State Bulletin, XXXI, No. 788" (August 2, 1954), p. 164.

Internet History Sourcebooks: Modern History

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This page from President Eisenhower's Memoires, Mandate for Change, page 372, shows that he believed Ho Chi Minh would have won any free election in Vietnam in 1954.

I have never talked or corresponded with a person knowledgeable in Indochinese affairs who did not agree that had elections been held as of the time of the fighting, possibly 80 per cent of the populations would have voted for the Communist Ho Chi Minh as their leader rather than Chief of State Bao Dai.

Selection from Eisenhower's Memoires

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Ho Chi Minh was not blameless in this. Once he knew that the elections scheduled for 1956 would not be held in South Vietnam, he should have had them held in North Vietnam in 1956 anyway.

With the authority President Eisenhower attributed to Ho Chi Minh, Ho could have allowed a loyal opposition. He could have allowed an adversary press. He could have governed as a democratic socialist, rather than as a Communist dictator. He could have eventually united Vietnam under his leadership without a war.

That was his mistake. It does not justify ours. Vietnam was unimportant to our security and our economy. We should have left that country alone.

 

[AZrailwhale]

Something is haunting them. Maybe they went into those wars knowing or feeling that something wasn't right. Then their experiences confirmed it leading to remorse that they supported it. Add the bloodshed, PTSD, the combat injuries and chemical poisoning, the failure of their mission, the inability to function normally once home, and you've got a recipe for suicide.

Vets have always had post combat problems, they just didn’t put labels on them.

 

[Woodznutz]

Vets have always had post combat problems, they just didn’t put labels on them.

My brother was in the Navy for four years. I went into the Army after he got out. He told me that the military would screw me up and it would take several years to recover after discharge, even if one didn't see combat. He was right. The military messes with your head.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Viet Nam was no mistake other than not supporting Ho Chi Mein in the 40s once he went communist it was the right fight to make.

Chickenhawks Owe Vietnam Vets 60,000 Lives

The ruling class's purpose in the Vietnam War was to kill off or take the fight out of the bravest sons of the White working class. Mission Accomplished.

And their fathers weren't any "Greatest Generation," or they wouldn't have allowed this.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Vets have always had post combat problems, they just didn’t put labels on them.

Successful Sissies in Suitcoats

My uncle talked to himself and stuttered because he was in the horrible Battle of Okinawa. But he held a steady job and was a good family man. His problems only extended to marrying late and to a widow with a kid.

The cowards and traitors who ran away to college to dodge the draft took over the country. To hide their shame, they used their Thought Control power to promote this lie about how they would have been psychologically ruined for life if they had done their duty.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

My brother was in the Navy for four years. I went into the Army after he got out. He told me that the military would screw me up and it would take several years to recover after discharge, even if one didn't see combat. He was right. The military messes with your head.

It's Not the PFC; It's the NPC

Reality messes with our heads, because for generations they've been filled from the Top with mandated unmanly confusion.

 

[Woodznutz]

Successful Sissies in Suitcoats

My uncle talked to himself and stuttered because he was in the horrible Battle of Okinawa. But he held a steady job and was a good family man. His problems only extended to marrying late and to a widow with a kid.

The cowards and traitors who ran away to college to dodge the draft took over the country. To hide their shame, they used their Thought Control power to promote this lie about how they would have been psychologically ruined for life if they had done their duty.

Many who 'did their duty' are psychologically ruined for life. I don't think many 'draft dodgers' are ashamed now seeing how stupid and disastrous the war was in retrospect.

 

[IM2]

"Money answereth all things." (Somewhere in the Bible). I have often said that the salvation of the black community is "black capital formation". However, blacks are in the spending stage of their economic development, not the savings and investment stage.

That's my story and I'm sticking with it.

No blacks are not in the spending phase any more than whites are. Your white mans story is fake news and I suggest you listen to a black man who had licenses and certification as a financial planner at one point in his life about this.

 

[IM2]

Just because I come across as well educated doesn't mean I went to college.

I do common work that most black people wouldn't do. It's beneath them.

What you do is on you, because you're wrong abot blacks.

 

[Hector12]

We believe that white male bias is why 90% of corporate America is white male.

In a country as diverse as ours, it's impossible that 90% of corporate America is white male unless bias is happening. Impossible.

The appointment will make him one of four Black CEOs in the S&P 100, the nation's 100 top publicly traded companies.

Of the 533 named executive officers across these corporations, white men represent 7 in 10. And of those companies, about 1 in 7 had executive teams that were made up of only white men in 2022.

Meanwhile, women – just 90 of them – make up 17% of named executive officers. Only 17 women of color were named executive officers in 2022.

In fact, white men today are even more likely than their grandfathers to be managers despite a diversifying workforce and evidence from research studies that diverse companies outperform peers that are not

How diverse is corporate America? There are more Black leaders but white men still run it

More Black men are leaders in S&P 100 companies two years after George Floyd's murder. Women and other people of color have not made as much progress.

www.usatoday.com

Let's forget about black men for a second.

This year, 52 companies out of 500 are led by female CEOs. That's an 18% increase from 44 this time last year.

Are you saying these 52 companies made a big mistake?

The only diversity that matters is diversity of opinion. Those who insist in diversity of race, sex, sexual orientation, and sexual identity try to suppress the teachings of Charles Murray, Jared Taylor, and Professor's Arthur Jensen, Richard Herrnstein, and J. Philippe Rushton.

The growing diversity of the U.S. population is the main reason for the political polarization that makes it difficult for the government to solve problems that would have been manageable before 1964.

Whites tend to be more intelligent than blacks. Men tend to be more motivated to succeed than women. Consequently white male supremacy is natural and just.

 

[Woodznutz]

No blacks are not in the spending phase any more than whites are. Your white mans story is fake news and I suggest you listen to a black man who had licenses and certification as a financial planner at one point in his life about this.

I'm all ears.

 

[Woodznutz]

What you do is on you, because you're wrong about blacks.

One problem blacks have is that they can't break free of traditional black traits, traits that don't lend themselves to financial success in America.

 

[Hector12]

What you do is on you, because you're wrong abot blacks.

Charles Murray and Jared Taylor are right about blacks.

 

[IM2]

Then blacks are doing alright, right?

Blacks do not have wealth equal to our proportion of the population and its not because we are in a spending phase. The problem is and continues to be white racism. Now perhaps if we had been given the same 8 handouts over time that whites have gotten there would be no problem.

 

[Woodznutz]

Blacks do not have wealth equal to our proportion of the population and its not because we are in a spending phase. The problem is and continues to be white racism. Now perhaps if we had been given the same 8 handouts over time that whites have gotten there would be no problem.

Most white people attain wealth by working for it. If we have some advantages, it is a product of the hard work and investment of past generations.

Blacks have the means to advance, even if you don't catch up. Many white families have the same average income as do black households and are doing just fine.

 

[IM2]

Blacks have the means to advance, even if you don't catch up. For years my income stayed on the first page of the tax tables, but I was happy as a clam with my life.

Wrong. This is a macro level issue, so what you did as an individual is not a valid argument. You chose your spot, a lot of blacks don't get to choose. When were you born?

 

[Hector12]

Blacks do not have wealth equal to our proportion of the population and its not because we are in a spending phase. The problem is and continues to be white racism. Now perhaps if we had been given the same 8 handouts over time that whites have gotten there would be no problem.

The problems are that Negroes tend to be less intelligent than whites, and they are usually less willing to defer gratification.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Charles Murray and Jared Taylor are right about blacks.

Richkid Reich. Kamala Came Out of Camelot.

So was William Shockley. He also got the Nobel Prize in Physics, so he wasn't some drooling Deliverance hillbilly, which is the image of their opponents that race traitors try to push. That strawman proves it is nothing but snobbery from the sheltered upper class. After all, without their Daddy's Money, they'd be nobodies, so they have a desperate need to imagine everybody else is.

 

[Libby von H]

There are no pure races, not even close so racial justice is ignoring misleading things like color and background and self-identification