Universal Basic Income: Biden's Best Bet?

[georgephillip]

I don't get it. How has Trump, or anyone on the right-wing, caused democrat run states, or democrat run cities, or democrat policies, created homelessness?

You don't get it because it isn't about Republicans or Democrats.

It is about creditors vs debtors and both major parties side with the former:

"(See Citigroup Has Made a Sap of the Fed: It’s Borrowing at 0.35 % from the Fed While Charging Struggling Consumers 27.4 % on Credit Cards.)"

 

[justinacolmena]

Wikileaks shpwed us how the DNC rigged the primaries against Bernie Sanders.

Just as they rigged the general election against Donald Trump.

Snowden alerted the world of Prism...The NSA spying on every single American, through their google and yahoo accounts, and much much more.

Covert double agents from DNC are hard at work at NSA.

You don't get it because it isn't about Republicans or Democrats.

"You don't get it." There's a very angry radical feminist secretary in the office with the power to deny it. That's why.
"TERF" according to Chelsea Manning, but certainly all the liberal pro-abortion Democratic Party women with whom Manning associates qualify as "Trans Exclusive Radical Feminist" if anyone does.

It is about creditors vs debtors and both major parties side with the former:

This part is about debt versus equity, the only two forms of finance in a very general sense.

Conservative RINOs, especially preachers, insist that equity (or stock) is too risky, and marriage licenses are promoted and conditioned on a steady job with a 30-year-mortgage --- the husband is required to have "skin in the game" and "borrow responsibly" to build credit, and so on and so forth --- to fulfill the white-collar Christian lifestyle which is so assiduously promoted and compelled in churches.

Borrowing irresponsibly is not the right alternative to "borrowing responsibly" when it really shouldn't be necessary to borrow so much in the first place.

 

[georgephillip]

What policy exactly, do you think causes homelessness?

Capitalism

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[justinacolmena]

What policy exactly, do you think causes homelessness?

Capitalism

What are the statistics on homelessness due to divorce? | The Homeless Hub

Capitalism doesn't cause homelessness. Building materials and labor cost money. Lots of money.
You have to raise the capital --- real sums of money --- to build the home in the first place.

Bible Gateway passage: 1 Corinthians 3:12-13 - King James Version

Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble; Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

www.biblegateway.com

This cannot happen under communism.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

I don't get it. How has Trump, or anyone on the right-wing, caused democrat run states, or democrat run cities, or democrat policies, created homelessness?

You don't get it because it isn't about Republicans or Democrats.

It is about creditors vs debtors and both major parties side with the former:

"(See Citigroup Has Made a Sap of the Fed: It’s Borrowing at 0.35 % from the Fed While Charging Struggling Consumers 27.4 % on Credit Cards.)"

They're borrowing $3 billion from the Fed at 0.35%?
How many billions do they have on deposit at the Fed earning 0.1%?

DURR.

Pam and Russ are such drama queens.

 

[The Original Tree]

UBI is Satanic as are you. You & those like you pushing The 666 New World Order where no one has any rights or property will burn in Hell.

Communism is pure oppressive Evil and has caused the deaths of 100 Million people in the last 100 years.

 

[Jimmy_Chitwood]

More taxes - typical leftist plan - tax us to prosperity.

You don't think your beloved taxes on will get passed on to consumers darling?
If you put a one dollar tax on a gallon of gas how much does a gallon of gas go up by?
Nobody eats it honey.

Can't stretch you mind enough to imagine taxes on shareholder wealth instead of gallons of gas?

A Big, Simple, Winning Issue for Biden

"OK, here’s the idea for President-elect Biden:

"Bring 20 of the Trumpiest-looking Alaskans to a press conference.

"Unveil a plan whereby every man, woman, and child gets a $1,000 check every month from the government.

"Finance it with taxes on large wealth, fossil fuels, financial transactions, and intellectual property resulting from taxpayer-funded public research."

I will enjoy hiding my money.

 

[georgephillip]

The PFD also keeps Alaska from imposing a State tax which was repealed in 1980 (iirc)
Imagine that! A State repealing state taxes!!

It's not as if Alaskans can't afford a state income tax:

Alaska GDP and Per-Capita GDP | Department of Numbers.

"Alaska per-capita GDP was $74,343 in 2019. which is $9,103 higher than the US per-capita GDP."

 

[Jimmy_Chitwood]

More taxes - typical leftist plan - tax us to prosperity.

You don't think your beloved taxes on will get passed on to consumers darling?
If you put a one dollar tax on a gallon of gas how much does a gallon of gas go up by?
Nobody eats it honey.

Can't stretch you mind enough to imagine taxes on shareholder wealth instead of gallons of gas?

A Big, Simple, Winning Issue for Biden

"OK, here’s the idea for President-elect Biden:

"Bring 20 of the Trumpiest-looking Alaskans to a press conference.

"Unveil a plan whereby every man, woman, and child gets a $1,000 check every month from the government.

"Finance it with taxes on large wealth, fossil fuels, financial transactions, and intellectual property resulting from taxpayer-funded public research."

Thank God that that garbage will never pass.

But you are free to send in money to the IRS if you like darling.

 

[justinacolmena]

But you are free to send in money to the IRS if you like darling.

There's a waitress at a high-class restaurant, and people are passing fake bills.

 

[Wyatt earp]

More oil

More jobs

Economic Forecast Released

Again darling no oil under Iowa, do the fucking math

 

[georgephillip]

Right wing tax cut economics ensures Government is perpetually underfunded.

Your link:

"By the time Reagan took office, HUD was the main federal agency that offered housing and other programs aimed at helping poor and working-class people.

"And beginning under Reagan but continuing with the next three presidents, HUD would see its funding reduced. By the time George W. Bush took office, it had been slashed almost 60 percent."

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Your link:

"By the time Reagan took office, HUD was the main federal agency that offered housing and other programs aimed at helping poor and working-class people.

"And beginning under Reagan but continuing with the next three presidents, HUD would see its funding reduced. By the time George W. Bush took office, it had been slashed almost 60 percent."

Then why are lower income people still able to rent in middle-class suburbs, and even upper-middle-class suburbs? HUD is partly responsible for destroying my suburb.

 

[Andylusion]

You pay me a $1,000 a month, and I will quit my job. Promise you I will. If you are dumb enough to pay me to not work, I'll take every dollar you are stupid enough to give me.

While I would use my $1000 a month to fund local foodbanks.

Why are you so selfish?

Well I'm not. So.... What's your point again?

In fact, Conservative Capitalist Christians are the least selfish people in this country. You do know that right? That's a statistical fact.

Capitalist Conservative Christians give more money to charity, between 30% to 100% more than left-wing socialists.

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According to Times columnist Paul Sullivan, “Red counties, which are overwhelmingly Republican, tend to report higher charitable contributions than Democrat-dominated blue counties.” Sullivan was referencing a study published last month in the academic journal, Nonprofit and Voluntary Sector Quarterly. The study was a creation of four research professors “who set out to explore how political differences affect charitable giving.” As Sullivan noted in his analysis of the report, the “more Republican a county is, the more its residents report charitable contributions.”​

Opinion | Bleeding Heart Tightwads (Published 2008)

Liberals show tremendous compassion in pushing for government spending to help the needy, but when it comes to individual contributions to charitable causes, they are cheapskates.

www.nytimes.com

Liberals show tremendous compassion in pushing for generous government spending to help the neediest people at home and abroad. Yet when it comes to individual contributions to charitable causes, liberals are cheapskates.​

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Arthur Brooks, the author of a book on donors to charity, “Who Really Cares,” cites data that households headed by conservatives give 30 percent more to charity than households headed by liberals. A study by Google found an even greater disproportion: average annual contributions reported by conservatives were almost double those of liberals.​

Speaking for myself, I was giving to charity, since I first started working, at the age of 16, at McDonald's part time.

Even when I made less than $15,000 a year, I still gave 15% to charity.

Comparatively to capitalists conservatives, left-wingers and socialists are the most tight fisted self-centered scrooges in the world.

And that's not just in charitable giving, but it's their whole ideology. The entire ideology of left-wing socialism is... I want stuff, and I demand others pay for it.

Contrary to the statement by the left-winger above, that "Liberals show tremendous compassion in pushing for generous government spending to help the neediest people at home and abroad.".... the reality is, demanding that other provide, is not "tremendous compassion".

There is nothing "compassionate" about saying "I want education, and I demand others pay for it. I want heath care, and I demand others pay for it."

I want everything I want, and I shouldn't have to work for what I want. Others should give it to me.

That's is self-centered toddler spoiled brat ideology, wrapped up in a political platform.

 

[Andylusion]

And when 100 Million people are living off the government, all the taxes in the world won't be enough to generate the money needed to pay them.

What percentage of those 100 million Americans would use their stipend differently?

For example, in parts of Europe those receiving unemployment benefits have the option of finding another ten or twelve individuals who are also receiving UE benefits and pool their total benefits and receive a one time payout.

IOW all recipients would receive a one-time payment amounting to their total benefit package at one time if they provide a realistic plan of starting their own business.

Yeah, but you realize that you have incentive there?

The unemployment runs out. In Denmark for example, there is no welfare, and your unemployment compensation is limited to 1 full year... and you only get it if you work.... one full year at a minimum.

Meaning that if you don't work.... and you use up your unemployment compensation... then you, and any family dependent on you.... starve to death.

You starve. There is no "universal social safety net" for people who refuse to work. You don't work, you die. (obviously we're talking about able bodied people. If you are mentally incapable, or physically incapable, then just like the US, you get assistance).

So in that context, could some people use their unemployment benefits to start a business?

SURE! Yeah, that is a real possibility. If you know the money is going to run out, you are going to look for something to do in the future to continue getting an income.

But that is not what Universal Basic Income does. Why would I take the risk, of collecting all my Universal Basic Income on the chance of starting a business.... when I'll never run out of money, because I collect UBI whether I risk starting a business or not?

You realize how hard running a business is? The average new business start up owner, puts in 60 hours a week. 10 hours a day, 6 days a week. Starting a business is really hard work.

Or... I could watch TV and just collect my Universal Basic Income. Or go fishing, and collect my UBI. Or play video games, and collect my UBI.

Now if I knew that I only had $12 thousands dollars coming, and at the end of the year, I wouldn't get another check.... then I might consider starting a business, because.... I need an income.

But with UBI, I have an income. I don't need to do anything.

So what percentage of those 100 million Americans would use their stipend differently?

I wager, less than 1%. Based on what? The fact that right now roughly 60 Million people in this country, are getting assistance from the government. How many of those are using that assistance to start a business?

I'd be shocked if you could even find ONE example. Well other than a business in defrauding the government.

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[Andylusion]

If UBI were presented as an alternative to other, more controlling, forms of welfare, ie if it would replace these other forms of welfare, I could get behind it. If it's just an add-on, another lever for government control of society, I'd rather not.

That possibility is drawing support from both sides of the aisle.

In my case, my SSI and SSA totals around $950 a month. If rents were at the same level they were 25 years ago, I would be able to forgo my Section 8 stipend. Medicare and Medicaid would still be needed.

Universal Basic Income Might Fix Our Broken Welfare System -- Give It the Serious, Scholarly Debate It Deserves

"The one thing experts from across the political spectrum agree on is that our current welfare system fails to help people escape poverty, become self‐sufficient and flourish as full participants in society.

"Federal, state and local governments spend roughly $1 trillion every year on anti‐poverty programs, yet cities like Newark are not thriving. Maybe it’s time to consider a different approach."

Have you read Atlas Shrugged yet? You should.

No system can help you escape poverty, and become self-sufficient. In fact, by definition it can't, because if you need government.... then you are not self-sufficient.

And that's the whole problem.......

"Federal, state and local governments spend roughly $1 trillion every year on anti‐poverty programs, yet cities like Newark are not thriving. Maybe it’s time to consider a different approach."

Do you not see the logical problem there? If you have government to give you $1 Trillion dollars every single year..... why would you need to thrive? You can just live off the $1 Trillion dollars.

Do you not see the logic here?

Let me put it another way:

What is the best way for me to become self-sufficient? Go learn some skills... get some training... work hard for a promotion... move up the income ladder.

Right? Does that makes sense?

But if you pay me, so that I don't need to be self sufficient.... why would I do all that hard work?

Because none of those things is guaranteed. Getting skills is not a guarantee to success. Getting training is not a guarantee. Getting education is not guarantee. Working hard is not a guarantee. Nothing you do is guaranteed.

What makes the risk worth taking... is the fact that if you don't... you have the guarantee of being homeless, in poverty, and miserable.

But again if you pay me to stay home? I don't need to do any of that.

Proverbs 16:26 A worker's appetite works for him because his hunger drives him onward.

biblehub.com

Proverbs 16:26.....
"The appetite of laborers works for them; their hunger drives them on."

How 2 guys in their 20s found an old printing press and turned it into a $25 million business

Dru Riess and Ray Salinas knew nothing about the package industry, but that didn't stop them.

www.cnbc.com

Two guys, knew nothing about the publishing business. Found an old printing press in a barn. Slept in a cot, in their office.

You think that was fun?

Why did they do it? Because they would end up poor and broke, and homeless if they did nothing.

If you paid them money to stay home... I wager they never would have done anything to be a benefit to society.

 

[Andylusion]

So you want to be a Fascist, destroy this nation to put Trump in jail.

Would you rather hang him?
Trump's core message is fascism.
Remember when he said shooting journalists is a "beautiful thing"?
How about when he wanted his political opponents to be prosecuted?
He's a lying POS con man who's made this country a global laughingstock.
Hopefully, he dies like Jeff.

Will you miss him

See here's the difference.... Obama actually attacked journalists with the DoJ.

Before Trump's crackdown on leaks, Obama went after 10 leakers, journalists

As president, Barack Obama prosecuted leaks at record levels under the Espionage Act.

www.sandiegouniontribune.com

Trump only went after leakers not Journalists to my knowledge.

No, Trump's core message was not fascism. Never was. Your core message is fascist, but not Trumps.

 

[Andylusion]

More taxes - typical leftist plan - tax us to prosperity.

You don't think your beloved taxes on will get passed on to consumers darling?
If you put a one dollar tax on a gallon of gas how much does a gallon of gas go up by?
Nobody eats it honey.

Can't stretch you mind enough to imagine taxes on shareholder wealth instead of gallons of gas?

A Big, Simple, Winning Issue for Biden

"OK, here’s the idea for President-elect Biden:

"Bring 20 of the Trumpiest-looking Alaskans to a press conference.

"Unveil a plan whereby every man, woman, and child gets a $1,000 check every month from the government.

"Finance it with taxes on large wealth, fossil fuels, financial transactions, and intellectual property resulting from taxpayer-funded public research."

First, who are the shareholders? Retirees? Unions? 401Ks? IRAs?

So you want to take away the retirement of the public, to pay for your programs supposedly to help the public?

Not a win.

Second, as I said before, if you tax Financial Transactions, you will simply cause people to do banking outside the country.

I can move my investment portfolio out of this country, and into a number of different places around the world, with a click the button. I can have it out of this country in 24 hours on a week day.

If you tax my investments, I'll move my investments to where you can't tax them.

Third, if you take the wealth from taxpayer funded research, companies will simply self fund research, and skip the tax payer money. You will not get much taxes from that.

That said, I like that idea, because it will save the tax payers million of dollars in grants that won't be used.

Fourth, wealth taxes will just cause the wealthy to leave. NYC is seeing that right now. The surcharge on the wealthy has caused the wealthy to leave NYC. This same pattern was seen in France, which is why they repealed their wealth tax.

It won't work.

Last, a tax on fossil fuels will just be passed onto the poor and middle class. This is why in Europe, the public pays $6 or $8 per gallon right now.

 

[Andylusion]

I don't get it. How has Trump, or anyone on the right-wing, caused democrat run states, or democrat run cities, or democrat policies, created homelessness?

You don't get it because it isn't about Republicans or Democrats.

It is about creditors vs debtors and both major parties side with the former:

"(See Citigroup Has Made a Sap of the Fed: It’s Borrowing at 0.35 % from the Fed While Charging Struggling Consumers 27.4 % on Credit Cards.)"

But this to me is stupid.... because if you choose to borrow from Citigroup... that's between you and Citigroup.

That has nothing to do with Trump, or Republicans, or Democrats, or government, or anything.

You know how high interest rates are on Credit Cards.

You agreed to this.

You are the idiot.

I have not owned a credit card since about 2005. My average wage from 2005 to 2015 was barely $20,000 a year.

Live on less than you make. Keep $1,000 in the bank at all times. If you don't have the money for something... don't buy it.

I don't understand people who blame government, for their own ridiculously stupid choices.

Or blame the banks. The bank didn't force you at gun point to take a loan, or buy crap you didn't need, with money you didn't have. How is your stupidity, their fault?

Phrase "Personal Responsibility". It's incumbent on you, to make wise choices for your life. Not government, not corporations, not the banks. YOU. JUST YOU.

 

[Andylusion]

What policy exactly, do you think causes homelessness?

Capitalism

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So here's my problem with all of those.....

Incarcerated.... don't break the law.

Evicted by family.... get a job, and rent an apartment. Better yet, get a job BEFORE your family kicks you out. In fact, it's like the whole reason they are kicking you out, is because you are a lazy butt that refuses to work.

Drug/Alcohol.... don't do drugs, or consume alcohol.

Bills.... stop buying stuff you don't need. Cancel the Cable, turn off the smart phone, turn the heat down, and leave the AC off in the summer. I've done all of that. It works. Believe it or not, you can actually survive as a human being (just like that last 6,000 years of human history) without all those things.

Change in Family Status... That is too broad. I know a guy who had a "change in family status" because he was a lazy bum and his wife divorced him, and he deserved to be homeless, because he was a loser that didn't work.

Abuse....

Now this one I really don't get. I realize that a large portion of the country doesn't go to church.

My church, has dozens of programs they support that help abused people. Abused children that run away from home. Abused women, we have shelters for them. There is no reason for a woman or an abused child to end up on the street, if they go to my church. All they have to do is ask for help, and people will find a place for them to stay.

Further, where is the family? If I was homeless today, I have relatives, and uncles, and other family, that would gladly take me in.

I even have friends that would help me out. Where are these people's friends? Do people not have good friends anymore?

I don't understand any of that.

Lastly, Job loss.

Get a job. There millions of jobs out there.

I remember reading about this guy who worked at the big banks in NYC during the crash of 2008.

He got a job at McDonalds. He want from six-figures, to flipping burgers.

The manager called him into the office "What is your deal?"... he explained where he had been. The next week, the manager had called McDonald's Corporate, and Corporate called this guy up, and put him as a manager of corporate maintenance.

GET A JOB. I found a job in 2008. If found another job in 2011. If found a job in 2016. I found a job this year.

How is it that I can find a job even in the worst recession, and these other people end up homeless?

And I have no degree, no skills, no nothing. But I can find a job, and these people can't? Explain. I'd love to hear how that works.