Universal Basic Income: Biden's Best Bet?

[danielpalos]

This is so UnAmerican I can't believe it is on the table. Welfare assistance, Social Security, yes. But, incentivizing people NOT to work or be entrepreneurial? What do these extreme liberals think made the United States what it is today? Opportunity. Why and how did that become such a negative?

lol. You are so far on the left you are Right Wing on this issue. It is about more efficient Government and solving for simple poverty instead of wasting money on a useless and alleged, War on Poverty.

Bullshit. You are trying to package an extreme tenet of Socialism as a replacement for all of the egregious extensions of welfare and entitlement. You think they are going away? Lol!

I am not on the right wing selling you the equivalent to snake oil with our useless and alleged wars on crime, drugs, and terror.

Solving simple poverty can be a simple as equal protection of the laws can make it. It really is that simple. I have already won all of my arguments with the right wing; fallacy and Hoax is all they have.

What you are proposing and universal basic income theory are two different things. You have not won your argument that the universal basic income is a replacement or consolidation of the entitlement and welfare programs. Not sure why you would have a problem with trying to reduce crime, drugs, and terror.

I am not claiming it is. UBI as a "stand alone" policy may be too social rather than merely necessary and proper for our needs and the needs of our economy. Solving simple poverty via existing legal and physical infrastructure actually works with free market capitalism as we use it today.

How?

By solving for simply poverty via Individual Liberty and natural rights in our at-will employment States. Unemployment compensation for simply being unemployed in our at-will employment States.

 

[danielpalos]

Unemployment compensation is not welfare but a comprehensive insurance program that should actually solve for something, like simple poverty not nothing on a for-profit basis as right wingers would prefer.

Why should an insurance policy that covers temporary expenses associated with job loss attempt to solve poverty? That's not what it was designed for.

He sees the word "unemployment" in the name and assumes it covers him when he just doesn't want to work. And he won't deviate from it.

Individual liberty and natural rights, what is That sayeth the right wing in non-socialism threads.

Prove me wrong.

Individual liberty and natural rights already proved you wrong. You don't even understand the concepts only your right wing propaganda.

Individual liberty is enabled by equal protection of our at-will employment laws in any conflict of laws. UC codes cannot conflict with established federal doctrine or State Constitutions. Thus, employment is at the will of either party even for UC purposes.

You don't get it, your opinion doesn't count. Quote the actual law that establishes your right to collect UC when you don't qualify for it.

You get it even less. The actual law is equal protection of the laws. The State has no right to deny or disparage our privileges and immunities through unequal protection of the laws.

Leftwingers are working to change that.

Yes, the left is working to change unequal protection of the laws especially on a for-profit basis.

Let's see now. Equal protection under the law means everyone gets to own the guns they want. Got it, and will keep throwing it back at you.

Now, name the left wing politician who is introducing legislation to make UC apply to everyone that doesn't want to work a job.

Equal protection of the laws in the case of our Second Amendment means the People shall not be infringed in the keeping and bearing of Arms for their State or the Union.

 

[danielpalos]

Unemployment compensation is not welfare but a comprehensive insurance program that should actually solve for something, like simple poverty not nothing on a for-profit basis as right wingers would prefer.

Why should an insurance policy that covers temporary expenses associated with job loss attempt to solve poverty? That's not what it was designed for.

He sees the word "unemployment" in the name and assumes it covers him when he just doesn't want to work. And he won't deviate from it.

Individual liberty and natural rights, what is That sayeth the right wing in non-socialism threads.

Prove me wrong.

Individual liberty and natural rights already proved you wrong. You don't even understand the concepts only your right wing propaganda.

Individual liberty is enabled by equal protection of our at-will employment laws in any conflict of laws. UC codes cannot conflict with established federal doctrine or State Constitutions. Thus, employment is at the will of either party even for UC purposes.

You don't get it, your opinion doesn't count. Quote the actual law that establishes your right to collect UC when you don't qualify for it.

You get it even less. The actual law is equal protection of the laws. The State has no right to deny or disparage our privileges and immunities through unequal protection of the laws.

It is not doing so, as I have pointed out many times because the law applies to everyone equally. Just like with welfare, If you qualify, you can collect. If you don't, you can't. Tell you what, cite the court ruling that supports your assertion and the number of times people have successfully gotten compensated from UC even though they don't qualify for it. Don't wave around a vague, "Oh, it's because I imagine that the word 'Unemployment' in the title means I should get it because I don't want to hold a job".

States have no authority to make any laws impairing the obligation of contracts. In at-will employment States, Labor is contracted on an at-will basis for employment or EDD has to prove for-cause employment.

I told you not to do that. Now, cite the court ruling that supports your assertion and the number of times people have successfully gotten compensated from UC even though they don't qualify for it.

lol. Both our State and federal Constitutions support equal protection of the laws.

 

[danielpalos]

If I can do the kind of work other people do for highly profitable companies, then I shouldn't have to "beg" or "plead" for the kind of wages other people earn, and I should be allowed to posess fireams and other weapons, but I should not have to resort to violence and extortion, as the labor unions do. I am simply not a member of any of the monied classes or even the working class which is so privileged when Democrats are in office.

Solving simple poverty in our at-will employment States through equal protection of the laws would benefit women more than our current regime.

Blargle, pure blargle. You have no idea how that would work, you have no idea how much it would cost, and you have no idea how to pay for such a thing. You just repeat the same things over and over again.

We already have the legal and physical infrastructure in place. Around three trillion. General taxes would be preferred. "junk bonds" not junk laws!

$3 trillion in new taxes? Good luck with that. How many job would be lost because you pulled that much out of the economy?

Doesn't really matter since that potential Labor would have recourse to unemployment compensation for simply being unemployed in our at-will employment States. Capitalists should automate for their bottom line since even potential Labor won't be in poverty as a result.

 

[danielpalos]

This is so UnAmerican I can't believe it is on the table. Welfare assistance, Social Security, yes. But, incentivizing people NOT to work or be entrepreneurial? What do these extreme liberals think made the United States what it is today? Opportunity. Why and how did that become such a negative?

lol. You are so far on the left you are Right Wing on this issue. It is about more efficient Government and solving for simple poverty instead of wasting money on a useless and alleged, War on Poverty.

It was the left wing that created the War on Poverty. It started with LBJ. Have you no clue at all, or do you just automatically assign things to the right wing or left wing based on your feelz at the time?

Coincidence or conspiracy? It does not require rocket science and we have already been to the moon and back.

 

[danielpalos]

Equal protection of the law for unemployment compensation in our at-will employment States could be accomplished by executive order.

So I take it you are also ok with applying equal protection under the law when it comes to this election? Ballots is some districts(Republicans) were thrown out if they did not meet certain standards and were not in others(Democrats).

Sure; as long as it happens to both sides and no exceptions are made in favor one or the other.

 

[danielpalos]

Still no questions

I have no questions of you because you have nothing to say.
I can generate your opinions with this simple formula:
1. At will employment
2. Equal protection of laws
3. Solve simple poverty
Mix incoherently with a pinch of hoax and fallacy, bits of lazy entitlement and virtue signaling for best results.

Should we ask persons on the street in tent cities if they would stay there if they had recourse to unemployment compensation for simply being unemployed on an at-will basis in our at-will employment States?

 

[danielpalos]

I will consider quarantining and wearing a mask if you give me a check in the mail each month.

Once you sell your liberty, it generally takes bloodshed to get it back.

It is too easy to get job from rich capitalists on a for-profit basis, right, right wingers. That is what y'all allege in socialism threads regarding the minimum wage.

 

[Orangecat]

Should we ask persons on the street in tent cities if they would stay there if they had recourse to unemployment compensation for simply being unemployed on an at-will basis in our at-will employment States?

Go ahead and waste your time asking street people anything you'd like. You might come to the realization that many are there by choice, even if that choice was injecting heroin too many times.

 

[jknowgood]

Almost everyone's aware of Alaska's Permanent Fund:

"...The program began in 1976 after the discovery of oil on Alaska’s North Slope.

"The then-governor, a renegade Republican named Jay Hammond, concluded that this windfall was too good to just give to the oil companies.

"So he devised the program to share the revenue with Alaska residents...."

"OK, here’s the idea for President-elect Biden:

"Bring 20 of the Trumpiest-looking Alaskans to a press conference.

"Unveil a plan whereby every man, woman, and child gets a $1,000 check every month from the government.

"Finance it with taxes on large wealth, fossil fuels, financial transactions, and intellectual property resulting from taxpayer-funded public research.

"Invite the Alaskans to describe the joy of getting their checks: no middleman, no means tests, no government forms to fill out—just free money as everyone’s share of the American commons.

"Dare Mitch McConnell to oppose it."

A Big, Simple, Winning Issue for Biden

The "American commons" are the cultural and natural resources accessible to all members of society. In a time when the privileged few expand their vast fortunes despite a global pandemic and recession, it seems fitting to socialize the profits and privatize the losses.

Does anyone believe "Delaware Joe" will turn on his corporate benefactors?

Considering Biden wants to end big oil. Where you gonna get the money?

 

[hadit]

This is so UnAmerican I can't believe it is on the table. Welfare assistance, Social Security, yes. But, incentivizing people NOT to work or be entrepreneurial? What do these extreme liberals think made the United States what it is today? Opportunity. Why and how did that become such a negative?

lol. You are so far on the left you are Right Wing on this issue. It is about more efficient Government and solving for simple poverty instead of wasting money on a useless and alleged, War on Poverty.

It was the left wing that created the War on Poverty. It started with LBJ. Have you no clue at all, or do you just automatically assign things to the right wing or left wing based on your feelz at the time?

Coincidence or conspiracy? It does not require rocket science and we have already been to the moon and back.

Okay, that was clearly a nonsense placeholder reply which had nothing to do with what I said. Would you care to acknowledge that?

 

[hadit]

Still no questions

I have no questions of you because you have nothing to say.
I can generate your opinions with this simple formula:
1. At will employment
2. Equal protection of laws
3. Solve simple poverty
Mix incoherently with a pinch of hoax and fallacy, bits of lazy entitlement and virtue signaling for best results.

Should we ask persons on the street in tent cities if they would stay there if they had recourse to unemployment compensation for simply being unemployed on an at-will basis in our at-will employment States?

That would be dishonest. It would be more honest if you asked them if they would stay there if they had recourse to welfare. Bot, thy name is dogma.

 

[hadit]

If I can do the kind of work other people do for highly profitable companies, then I shouldn't have to "beg" or "plead" for the kind of wages other people earn, and I should be allowed to posess fireams and other weapons, but I should not have to resort to violence and extortion, as the labor unions do. I am simply not a member of any of the monied classes or even the working class which is so privileged when Democrats are in office.

Solving simple poverty in our at-will employment States through equal protection of the laws would benefit women more than our current regime.

Blargle, pure blargle. You have no idea how that would work, you have no idea how much it would cost, and you have no idea how to pay for such a thing. You just repeat the same things over and over again.

We already have the legal and physical infrastructure in place. Around three trillion. General taxes would be preferred. "junk bonds" not junk laws!

$3 trillion in new taxes? Good luck with that. How many job would be lost because you pulled that much out of the economy?

Doesn't really matter since that potential Labor would have recourse to unemployment compensation for simply being unemployed in our at-will employment States. Capitalists should automate for their bottom line since even potential Labor won't be in poverty as a result.

How are they going to automate when you're taking additional trillions out of the economy? Answer, they won't. They will simply close up shop and lay everyone off. Then you have the true equality socialism offers, equal misery. You know, if you answered a question once in a while instead of dancing around like you do, somebody might start to take you a little more seriously. As it is, you're just bot practice.

 

[DBA]

Equal protection of the law for unemployment compensation in our at-will employment States could be accomplished by executive order.

So I take it you are also ok with applying equal protection under the law when it comes to this election? Ballots is some districts(Republicans) were thrown out if they did not meet certain standards and were not in others(Democrats).

Sure; as long as it happens to both sides and no exceptions are made in favor one or the other.

I can promise you Democrats don't want this. They were the ones cheating or haven't you figured that out yet?

 

[georgephillip]

If UBI were presented as an alternative to other, more controlling, forms of welfare, ie if it would replace these other forms of welfare, I could get behind it. If it's just an add-on, another lever for government control of society, I'd rather not.

That possibility is drawing support from both sides of the aisle.

In my case, my SSI and SSA totals around $950 a month. If rents were at the same level they were 25 years ago, I would be able to forgo my Section 8 stipend. Medicare and Medicaid would still be needed.

Universal Basic Income Might Fix Our Broken Welfare System -- Give It the Serious, Scholarly Debate It Deserves

"The one thing experts from across the political spectrum agree on is that our current welfare system fails to help people escape poverty, become self‐sufficient and flourish as full participants in society.

"Federal, state and local governments spend roughly $1 trillion every year on anti‐poverty programs, yet cities like Newark are not thriving. Maybe it’s time to consider a different approach."

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

That possibility is drawing support from both sides of the aisle.

In my case, my SSI and SSA totals around $950 a month. If rents were at the same level they were 25 years ago, I would be able to forgo my Section 8 stipend. Medicare and Medicaid would still be needed.

Universal Basic Income Might Fix Our Broken Welfare System -- Give It the Serious, Scholarly Debate It Deserves

"The one thing experts from across the political spectrum agree on is that our current welfare system fails to help people escape poverty, become self‐sufficient and flourish as full participants in society.

"Federal, state and local governments spend roughly $1 trillion every year on anti‐poverty programs, yet cities like Newark are not thriving. Maybe it’s time to consider a different approach."

Even if implemented, it would take years to incorporate and you'd have to get the approval of the public which would be damn near impossible.

 

[georgephillip]

Guv Hammond was NOT a renegade.

He was smart enough to create the APFC instead of dumping all the revenue the State made from oil and mineral sales into the General Fund.

I agree he was smart, but some of his political views were confusing to traditional Republicans:

Jay Hammond - Wikipedia

"Hammond was elected governor in 1974 in a close result over incumbent William A. Egan.

"The race was complicated by two major factors, amongst others.

"One was a reversal of roles of sorts, where Hammond and his running mate Lowell Thomas Jr. were identified as conservationists, confusing and splitting the traditional party base."

 

[georgephillip]

More taxes - typical leftist plan - tax us to prosperity.

You don't think your beloved taxes on will get passed on to consumers darling?
If you put a one dollar tax on a gallon of gas how much does a gallon of gas go up by?
Nobody eats it honey.

Can't stretch you mind enough to imagine taxes on shareholder wealth instead of gallons of gas?

A Big, Simple, Winning Issue for Biden

"OK, here’s the idea for President-elect Biden:

"Bring 20 of the Trumpiest-looking Alaskans to a press conference.

"Unveil a plan whereby every man, woman, and child gets a $1,000 check every month from the government.

"Finance it with taxes on large wealth, fossil fuels, financial transactions, and intellectual property resulting from taxpayer-funded public research."

 

[georgephillip]

So you want to be a Fascist, destroy this nation to put Trump in jail.

Would you rather hang him?
Trump's core message is fascism.
Remember when he said shooting journalists is a "beautiful thing"?
How about when he wanted his political opponents to be prosecuted?
He's a lying POS con man who's made this country a global laughingstock.
Hopefully, he dies like Jeff.

Will you miss him

 

[justinacolmena]

Solving simple poverty in our at-will employment States through equal protection of the laws would benefit women more than our current regime

Laws that benefit women in general cannot possibly help me. As a transgender woman, I am considered a dangerous, violent, mentally ill person. Regardless of what laws have been passed or what laws are on the books, the gentlemen of the district want me locked up in bed with "other" men in order to keep their women and children safe.

No I am not a gay man. I am unable to have sexual intercourse at all, because of the condition of my body.

Nor am I able to obtain any medical care at all from Democrat doctors. All they offer is mental health only. It's Catholic "conversion therapy" a.k.a. renormative therapy or male-only forced restorative therapy. Transgender people are not considered female under any circumstances because of the immaculate conception.

Those people need to save their own souls from damnation and give up the use of force to administer their medications of vice against their patients' will before they can legitimately claim to offer any bona fide medical care whatsoever.