Universal Basic Income: Biden's Best Bet?

[LeftofLeft]

This is so UnAmerican I can't believe it is on the table. Welfare assistance, Social Security, yes. But, incentivizing people NOT to work or be entrepreneurial? What do these extreme liberals think made the United States what it is today? Opportunity. Why and how did that become such a negative?

lol. You are so far on the left you are Right Wing on this issue. It is about more efficient Government and solving for simple poverty instead of wasting money on a useless and alleged, War on Poverty.

Bullshit. You are trying to package an extreme tenet of Socialism as a replacement for all of the egregious extensions of welfare and entitlement. You think they are going away? Lol!

 

[danielpalos]

Thanks for confirming my suspicions right wingers. Nothing but incompetent and lazy, fallacy and Hoax is all y'all have not any valid rebuttal to prove your sincerity.

My bad, add a pinch of hoax and fallacy for extra flavor.

The three main ingredients of a DP word salad:
1. At will employment
2. Equal protection of laws
3. Solve simple poverty

Mix incoherently with bits of lazy entitlement and virtue signaling for best results.

Still no questions just your statement that I must be wrong simply Because You are on the Right Wing. What part of Any given Thing I have stated do you not understand. Please provide your rationale as well not merey your bigoted opinion.

 

[danielpalos]

This is so UnAmerican I can't believe it is on the table. Welfare assistance, Social Security, yes. But, incentivizing people NOT to work or be entrepreneurial? What do these extreme liberals think made the United States what it is today? Opportunity. Why and how did that become such a negative?

lol. You are so far on the left you are Right Wing on this issue. It is about more efficient Government and solving for simple poverty instead of wasting money on a useless and alleged, War on Poverty.

Bullshit. You are trying to package an extreme tenet of Socialism as a replacement for all of the egregious extensions of welfare and entitlement. You think they are going away? Lol!

I am not on the right wing selling you the equivalent to snake oil with our useless and alleged wars on crime, drugs, and terror.

Solving simple poverty can be a simple as equal protection of the laws can make it. It really is that simple. I have already won all of my arguments with the right wing; fallacy and Hoax is all they have.

 

[LeftofLeft]

This is so UnAmerican I can't believe it is on the table. Welfare assistance, Social Security, yes. But, incentivizing people NOT to work or be entrepreneurial? What do these extreme liberals think made the United States what it is today? Opportunity. Why and how did that become such a negative?

lol. You are so far on the left you are Right Wing on this issue. It is about more efficient Government and solving for simple poverty instead of wasting money on a useless and alleged, War on Poverty.

Bullshit. You are trying to package an extreme tenet of Socialism as a replacement for all of the egregious extensions of welfare and entitlement. You think they are going away? Lol!

I am not on the right wing selling you the equivalent to snake oil with our useless and alleged wars on crime, drugs, and terror.

Solving simple poverty can be a simple as equal protection of the laws can make it. It really is that simple. I have already won all of my arguments with the right wing; fallacy and Hoax is all they have.

What you are proposing and universal basic income theory are two different things. You have not won your argument that the universal basic income is a replacement or consolidation of the entitlement and welfare programs. Not sure why you would have a problem with trying to reduce crime, drugs, and terror.

 

[Meister]

Can you even explain what you post? I don't think you can.

lol. Ad hominems are usually considered fallacy especially when you have no valid rebuttal that explains how you are right and I am wrong. Nothing but fallacy is all you prove, right wingers. Is it any wonder some on the left have absolutely no confidence in the sincerity of the Right Wing.

Rebuttal? I'm trying to understand the bullshit you're posting. Obviously, you don't have a clue either.
Duly noted

Another ad hominem? Ask a question, don't just try to be a bigot and tell me your currently unsubstantiated opinion, Right Winger. It engenders absolutely no confidence in Your sincerity.

Still deflecting away from my original question to you. Again, duly noted

 

[danielpalos]

This is so UnAmerican I can't believe it is on the table. Welfare assistance, Social Security, yes. But, incentivizing people NOT to work or be entrepreneurial? What do these extreme liberals think made the United States what it is today? Opportunity. Why and how did that become such a negative?

lol. You are so far on the left you are Right Wing on this issue. It is about more efficient Government and solving for simple poverty instead of wasting money on a useless and alleged, War on Poverty.

Bullshit. You are trying to package an extreme tenet of Socialism as a replacement for all of the egregious extensions of welfare and entitlement. You think they are going away? Lol!

I am not on the right wing selling you the equivalent to snake oil with our useless and alleged wars on crime, drugs, and terror.

Solving simple poverty can be a simple as equal protection of the laws can make it. It really is that simple. I have already won all of my arguments with the right wing; fallacy and Hoax is all they have.

What you are proposing and universal basic income theory are two different things. You have not won your argument that the universal basic income is a replacement or consolidation of the entitlement and welfare programs. Not sure why you would have a problem with trying to reduce crime, drugs, and terror.

I am not claiming it is. UBI as a "stand alone" policy may be too social rather than merely necessary and proper for our needs and the needs of our economy. Solving simple poverty via existing legal and physical infrastructure actually works with free market capitalism as we use it today.

 

[danielpalos]

Can you even explain what you post? I don't think you can.

lol. Ad hominems are usually considered fallacy especially when you have no valid rebuttal that explains how you are right and I am wrong. Nothing but fallacy is all you prove, right wingers. Is it any wonder some on the left have absolutely no confidence in the sincerity of the Right Wing.

Rebuttal? I'm trying to understand the bullshit you're posting. Obviously, you don't have a clue either.
Duly noted

Another ad hominem? Ask a question, don't just try to be a bigot and tell me your currently unsubstantiated opinion, Right Winger. It engenders absolutely no confidence in Your sincerity.

Still deflecting away from my original question to you. Again, duly noted

Your question is nothing but bigotry unless you are projecting and don't know it. Then it is merely irrelevant as an appeal to ignorance. You can't tell me where I am wrong with my logic and reason. You also fail to ask any relevant questions. Simply stating what you do is nothing but Hoax since you have no actual and relevant point to make. How usual and customary for the Right Wing.

 

[Meister]

Can you even explain what you post? I don't think you can.

lol. Ad hominems are usually considered fallacy especially when you have no valid rebuttal that explains how you are right and I am wrong. Nothing but fallacy is all you prove, right wingers. Is it any wonder some on the left have absolutely no confidence in the sincerity of the Right Wing.

Rebuttal? I'm trying to understand the bullshit you're posting. Obviously, you don't have a clue either.
Duly noted

Another ad hominem? Ask a question, don't just try to be a bigot and tell me your currently unsubstantiated opinion, Right Winger. It engenders absolutely no confidence in Your sincerity.

Still deflecting away from my original question to you. Again, duly noted

Your question is nothing but bigotry unless you are projecting and don't know it. Then it is merely irrelevant as an appeal to ignorance. You can't tell me where I am wrong with my logic and reason. You also fail to ask any relevant questions. Simply stating what you do is nothing but Hoax since you have no actual and relevant point to make. How usual and customary for the Right Wing.

Whatever, comrade, whatever. You can't explain what you post, so you go with the bullshit. I think everyone understands.

 

[LeftofLeft]

This is so UnAmerican I can't believe it is on the table. Welfare assistance, Social Security, yes. But, incentivizing people NOT to work or be entrepreneurial? What do these extreme liberals think made the United States what it is today? Opportunity. Why and how did that become such a negative?

lol. You are so far on the left you are Right Wing on this issue. It is about more efficient Government and solving for simple poverty instead of wasting money on a useless and alleged, War on Poverty.

Bullshit. You are trying to package an extreme tenet of Socialism as a replacement for all of the egregious extensions of welfare and entitlement. You think they are going away? Lol!

I am not on the right wing selling you the equivalent to snake oil with our useless and alleged wars on crime, drugs, and terror.

Solving simple poverty can be a simple as equal protection of the laws can make it. It really is that simple. I have already won all of my arguments with the right wing; fallacy and Hoax is all they have.

What you are proposing and universal basic income theory are two different things. You have not won your argument that the universal basic income is a replacement or consolidation of the entitlement and welfare programs. Not sure why you would have a problem with trying to reduce crime, drugs, and terror.

I am not claiming it is. UBI as a "stand alone" policy may be too social rather than merely necessary and proper for our needs and the needs of our economy. Solving simple poverty via existing legal and physical infrastructure actually works with free market capitalism as we use it today.

How?

 

[hadit]

Unemployment compensation is not welfare but a comprehensive insurance program that should actually solve for something, like simple poverty not nothing on a for-profit basis as right wingers would prefer.

Why should an insurance policy that covers temporary expenses associated with job loss attempt to solve poverty? That's not what it was designed for.

He sees the word "unemployment" in the name and assumes it covers him when he just doesn't want to work. And he won't deviate from it.

Individual liberty and natural rights, what is That sayeth the right wing in non-socialism threads.

Prove me wrong.

Individual liberty and natural rights already proved you wrong. You don't even understand the concepts only your right wing propaganda.

Individual liberty is enabled by equal protection of our at-will employment laws in any conflict of laws. UC codes cannot conflict with established federal doctrine or State Constitutions. Thus, employment is at the will of either party even for UC purposes.

You don't get it, your opinion doesn't count. Quote the actual law that establishes your right to collect UC when you don't qualify for it.

You get it even less. The actual law is equal protection of the laws. The State has no right to deny or disparage our privileges and immunities through unequal protection of the laws.

Leftwingers are working to change that.

Yes, the left is working to change unequal protection of the laws especially on a for-profit basis.

Let's see now. Equal protection under the law means everyone gets to own the guns they want. Got it, and will keep throwing it back at you.

Now, name the left wing politician who is introducing legislation to make UC apply to everyone that doesn't want to work a job.

 

[hadit]

Unemployment compensation is not welfare but a comprehensive insurance program that should actually solve for something, like simple poverty not nothing on a for-profit basis as right wingers would prefer.

Why should an insurance policy that covers temporary expenses associated with job loss attempt to solve poverty? That's not what it was designed for.

He sees the word "unemployment" in the name and assumes it covers him when he just doesn't want to work. And he won't deviate from it.

Individual liberty and natural rights, what is That sayeth the right wing in non-socialism threads.

Prove me wrong.

Individual liberty and natural rights already proved you wrong. You don't even understand the concepts only your right wing propaganda.

Individual liberty is enabled by equal protection of our at-will employment laws in any conflict of laws. UC codes cannot conflict with established federal doctrine or State Constitutions. Thus, employment is at the will of either party even for UC purposes.

You don't get it, your opinion doesn't count. Quote the actual law that establishes your right to collect UC when you don't qualify for it.

You get it even less. The actual law is equal protection of the laws. The State has no right to deny or disparage our privileges and immunities through unequal protection of the laws.

It is not doing so, as I have pointed out many times because the law applies to everyone equally. Just like with welfare, If you qualify, you can collect. If you don't, you can't. Tell you what, cite the court ruling that supports your assertion and the number of times people have successfully gotten compensated from UC even though they don't qualify for it. Don't wave around a vague, "Oh, it's because I imagine that the word 'Unemployment' in the title means I should get it because I don't want to hold a job".

States have no authority to make any laws impairing the obligation of contracts. In at-will employment States, Labor is contracted on an at-will basis for employment or EDD has to prove for-cause employment.

I told you not to do that. Now, cite the court ruling that supports your assertion and the number of times people have successfully gotten compensated from UC even though they don't qualify for it.

 

[hadit]

If I can do the kind of work other people do for highly profitable companies, then I shouldn't have to "beg" or "plead" for the kind of wages other people earn, and I should be allowed to posess fireams and other weapons, but I should not have to resort to violence and extortion, as the labor unions do. I am simply not a member of any of the monied classes or even the working class which is so privileged when Democrats are in office.

Solving simple poverty in our at-will employment States through equal protection of the laws would benefit women more than our current regime.

Blargle, pure blargle. You have no idea how that would work, you have no idea how much it would cost, and you have no idea how to pay for such a thing. You just repeat the same things over and over again.

We already have the legal and physical infrastructure in place. Around three trillion. General taxes would be preferred. "junk bonds" not junk laws!

$3 trillion in new taxes? Good luck with that. How many job would be lost because you pulled that much out of the economy?

 

[hadit]

This is so UnAmerican I can't believe it is on the table. Welfare assistance, Social Security, yes. But, incentivizing people NOT to work or be entrepreneurial? What do these extreme liberals think made the United States what it is today? Opportunity. Why and how did that become such a negative?

lol. You are so far on the left you are Right Wing on this issue. It is about more efficient Government and solving for simple poverty instead of wasting money on a useless and alleged, War on Poverty.

It was the left wing that created the War on Poverty. It started with LBJ. Have you no clue at all, or do you just automatically assign things to the right wing or left wing based on your feelz at the time?

 

[DBA]

Equal protection of the law for unemployment compensation in our at-will employment States could be accomplished by executive order.

So I take it you are also ok with applying equal protection under the law when it comes to this election? Ballots is some districts(Republicans) were thrown out if they did not meet certain standards and were not in others(Democrats).

 

[Orangecat]

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

Promote doesn't mean the same thing as provide.

 

[Juicin]

I will consider quarantining and wearing a mask if you give me a check in the mail each month.

 

[Orangecat]

Still no questions

I have no questions of you because you have nothing to say.
I can generate your opinions with this simple formula:
1. At will employment
2. Equal protection of laws
3. Solve simple poverty
Mix incoherently with a pinch of hoax and fallacy, bits of lazy entitlement and virtue signaling for best results.

 

[Orangecat]

I will consider quarantining and wearing a mask if you give me a check in the mail each month.

Once you sell your liberty, it generally takes bloodshed to get it back.

 

[Juicin]

I will consider quarantining and wearing a mask if you give me a check in the mail each month.

Once you sell your liberty, it generally takes bloodshed to get it back.

i mean as long as it's a choice that's not the trade off

either way i get the check, no promises on the mask

 

[danielpalos]

Can you even explain what you post? I don't think you can.

lol. Ad hominems are usually considered fallacy especially when you have no valid rebuttal that explains how you are right and I am wrong. Nothing but fallacy is all you prove, right wingers. Is it any wonder some on the left have absolutely no confidence in the sincerity of the Right Wing.

Rebuttal? I'm trying to understand the bullshit you're posting. Obviously, you don't have a clue either.
Duly noted

Another ad hominem? Ask a question, don't just try to be a bigot and tell me your currently unsubstantiated opinion, Right Winger. It engenders absolutely no confidence in Your sincerity.

Still deflecting away from my original question to you. Again, duly noted

Your question is nothing but bigotry unless you are projecting and don't know it. Then it is merely irrelevant as an appeal to ignorance. You can't tell me where I am wrong with my logic and reason. You also fail to ask any relevant questions. Simply stating what you do is nothing but Hoax since you have no actual and relevant point to make. How usual and customary for the Right Wing.

Whatever, comrade, whatever. You can't explain what you post, so you go with the bullshit. I think everyone understands.

You merely have Hoax not valid arguments, comrade. You prove it with every fallacy you resort to.