Universal background checks... really?

[hunarcy]

If that is the case, why aren't the 1.8 million people be prosecuted for trying to illegally obtain firearms? The lack of prosectution gives lie to the idea that you folks are sincere. If they are criminal, they need to be in jail. If they have paid their debt so society, why are they being further punished? And if they have mental problems, they need to be in a therapeutic setting being treated.

I CAN buy beer for a minor if the child is a member of my family. When Is It Ever Legal for Minors to Consume Alcohol? And, I should be able to dispose of my property as I see fit.

Fair points….I’d like to see the 1.8 million investigated and arrested myself. It doesn’t exclude the fact that the background checks did prevent 1.8 million people who shouldn’t have guns from getting them. We need to expand that to the parking lots.

You can’t buy beer for a kid who isn’t your child. It too is your property but you can’t do it. Just further illustrating that there are limits on your rights.

I would say that what needs to be expanded is the control society exerts over those who would infringe on the rights of the rest of us.

Ok. Circular logic gets you nowhere

Nothing circular about it. Over the years, it's been proven again and again that trying to ban things does not solve problems. Prohibition and the War on Drugs, have CREATED more problems than they hoped to solve. The ONLY thing that is effective is to control the PEOPLE who create the problems.

If that is the case, why aren't the 1.8 million people be prosecuted for trying to illegally obtain firearms? The lack of prosectution gives lie to the idea that you folks are sincere. If they are criminal, they need to be in jail. If they have paid their debt so society, why are they being further punished? And if they have mental problems, they need to be in a therapeutic setting being treated.

I CAN buy beer for a minor if the child is a member of my family. When Is It Ever Legal for Minors to Consume Alcohol? And, I should be able to dispose of my property as I see fit.

Fair points….I’d like to see the 1.8 million investigated and arrested myself. It doesn’t exclude the fact that the background checks did prevent 1.8 million people who shouldn’t have guns from getting them. We need to expand that to the parking lots.

You can’t buy beer for a kid who isn’t your child. It too is your property but you can’t do it. Just further illustrating that there are limits on your rights.

I would say that what needs to be expanded is the control society exerts over those who would infringe on the rights of the rest of us.

Ok. Circular logic gets you nowhere

So you would rather we legalize cocaine and heroin?

You’re insane.

If you pass a law tomorrow that you can’t keep a gun in your house if someone is PS, will you have every household moving their guns off premises? No. Would some who don’t wish to violate the law? Yes. Eventually more and more people would. Would you ever get 100% compliance? No.

Also in the cases you cite about alcohol and drug use, you do realize that in those cases the distribution channel is being shut down and criminals step in To reopen it. In the case of passing a law that households with a mentally troubled person must keep their weapons off site...no such distribution channel is being shut down. So your examples are not applicable.

Candy, your whole argument about "gun show loopholes" (which really don't exist, but that is another argument) presupposes that those who cannot legally obtain firearms will get them illegally, so your dismissal of prohibition and the war on drugs as irrelevant is actually refuted by your own argument.. You are just so focused on "pieces" of the argument that you have lost sight of your point.

 

[Porter Rockwell]

Fair points….I’d like to see the 1.8 million investigated and arrested myself. It doesn’t exclude the fact that the background checks did prevent 1.8 million people who shouldn’t have guns from getting them. We need to expand that to the parking lots.

You can’t buy beer for a kid who isn’t your child. It too is your property but you can’t do it. Just further illustrating that there are limits on your rights.

I would say that what needs to be expanded is the control society exerts over those who would infringe on the rights of the rest of us.

Ok. Circular logic gets you nowhere

Nothing circular about it. Over the years, it's been proven again and again that trying to ban things does not solve problems. Prohibition and the War on Drugs, have CREATED more problems than they hoped to solve. The ONLY thing that is effective is to control the PEOPLE who create the problems.

Fair points….I’d like to see the 1.8 million investigated and arrested myself. It doesn’t exclude the fact that the background checks did prevent 1.8 million people who shouldn’t have guns from getting them. We need to expand that to the parking lots.

You can’t buy beer for a kid who isn’t your child. It too is your property but you can’t do it. Just further illustrating that there are limits on your rights.

I would say that what needs to be expanded is the control society exerts over those who would infringe on the rights of the rest of us.

Ok. Circular logic gets you nowhere

Actually bans makes the "problem" worse. Today, firearms can be built from scratch by monkeys with hand tools. The liberals are going to con Trump into signing another bill that will take dollars from one place to divert into this newly created criminal enterprise.

They were always made by hand about. 200 years ago. Nothing new.

Well 200 years ago America was not the drug users capital of the world; we didn't have more people in prisons than any country on this planet; we were not flooded by people from every country on the globe. The memories and the words of the founders were only a generation old so America did not have Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi, Ilhan Omar, Kamala Harris, Adam Schiff, Marco Rubio, Mike Dewine, and Donald (gun hating) Trump.

 

[Porter Rockwell]

Fair points….I’d like to see the 1.8 million investigated and arrested myself. It doesn’t exclude the fact that the background checks did prevent 1.8 million people who shouldn’t have guns from getting them. We need to expand that to the parking lots.

You can’t buy beer for a kid who isn’t your child. It too is your property but you can’t do it. Just further illustrating that there are limits on your rights.

I would say that what needs to be expanded is the control society exerts over those who would infringe on the rights of the rest of us.

Ok. Circular logic gets you nowhere

Nothing circular about it. Over the years, it's been proven again and again that trying to ban things does not solve problems. Prohibition and the War on Drugs, have CREATED more problems than they hoped to solve. The ONLY thing that is effective is to control the PEOPLE who create the problems.

Fair points….I’d like to see the 1.8 million investigated and arrested myself. It doesn’t exclude the fact that the background checks did prevent 1.8 million people who shouldn’t have guns from getting them. We need to expand that to the parking lots.

You can’t buy beer for a kid who isn’t your child. It too is your property but you can’t do it. Just further illustrating that there are limits on your rights.

I would say that what needs to be expanded is the control society exerts over those who would infringe on the rights of the rest of us.

Ok. Circular logic gets you nowhere

Actually bans makes the "problem" worse. Today, firearms can be built from scratch by monkeys with hand tools. The liberals are going to con Trump into signing another bill that will take dollars from one place to divert into this newly created criminal enterprise.

Ooohhhh, the Fear, feel the Fear. Study up on how our Grand Fathers handled the Thompson Model 1921. They did it without confiscating (except for criminals), no house to house searches. None of the fear things you keep bringing up. It was actually very benign. And for the same reasons that we are looking at the AR and the AK. At 200 bucks a gun, there were a LOT of them. IT took about 10 years to finally get them under control. Time works wonders. Did they actually Ban them? Nope. You wanted a Thompson Model 1921, you could still have one. Even today, if you want a Thompson Model 1921 or Thompson M1A1 you can have one. So another "Let's scare Johnny" bites the dust.

And they don't "Ban" all the parts. They do "Regulate" the uppers which is what makes the gun go bang. The Uppers is also the main difference between the AR and the M-16. And I would say that the "Regulation" of the M-16 uppers has worked pretty damned good. When was the last time a fully auto AR was used in a crime? The way to "Regulate" the AR is to regulate the Upper. The same they did with the Thompson Model 1921 and the same they did with the M-16. BTW, I can own a fully auto M-16 if I wish even today. They aren't "Banned" they are regulated.

At some point, your Grand Father got sick and tired of his children getting mowed down by stray shots from mobsters killing each other and did something about it. AT some point, WE are going to have to do something about the sickos mowing down our children with ARs.

More absolute bullshit from an uneducated and ill informed moron. Uppers have never been regulated on an AR15. Blow smoke up somebody else's ass.

 

[Porter Rockwell]

There is no evidence it would do anything of value.

In 2016, we sent 127 felons back to prison who tried to get firearms through background checks. That is 127 violent criminals that were taken off the streets. Forget about the whatifs, that is 127 violent felons taken off the streets due to universal background checks. If you don't believe that that had no affect, you would be just trolling and working to sell more guns for the Gun Industry with no regard for anyone else.

If those people were "violent" felons, why in the Hell aren't you bitching about the system not doing its job and rehabilitating them? How come you aren't pissed off that the penal system put violent people back onto the streets? Are you so stupid that you don't understand that if a person is violent, access to a firearm doesn't change who they are?

If someone is violent, can they not kill you with a knife, car, baseball bat or poison? Furthermore, of that 127 people, what proof do you have that they were not rehabilitated and pose no threat to society?

You are using statistics as a pretext to turn America into a socialist shithole. If you don't like America, why don't you pack your rags and catch the next flight to Sierra Leone? You're not fooling anybody here by preying upon the emotions of those whose loved ones who were killed by murderers YOU created.

I like our system here. Why don't you NOT move here. You won't be happy.

You don't like anything about America. You spend most of your time talking shit against it... talking trash you don't have the balls to down on street corners with your signs and say in public.

Wow, good reflection you have there, cupcake. I happen to like my little part of America. I live in a primarily Red area. I can walk down the street at 2 am without fear of being shot, beaten, arrested, mugged, kidnapped. Outside of the occasional quickstop holdups, crime is pretty low. Our schools are safe. Almost no one is strutting down the street wearing their Gun ALA Billy the Kid. AR-15s are here but you never see them because they aren't a cult and it's really bad manners to display them in public. Cost of Living is low compared to most places. I would say we have it pretty damned good. But you wouldn't like it here. This is too much like middle America and you want America remade in whatever sick image you have in your twisted head. No thanks, I'll pass and just stay here.

I don't care where you stay. You're too much of a coward to venture too far from your computer and your insults only say, you have NOTHING to say. The value of your posts only demonstrate how little you really know. You aren't even good enough to be called a bull shit artist - it would be an insult to the term.

One small admission: If you aren't in a loony bin, you make a compelling case for a background check - so they can find you and return the village idiot to whatever piece of America you ran away from.

 

[candycorn]

Fair points….I’d like to see the 1.8 million investigated and arrested myself. It doesn’t exclude the fact that the background checks did prevent 1.8 million people who shouldn’t have guns from getting them. We need to expand that to the parking lots.

You can’t buy beer for a kid who isn’t your child. It too is your property but you can’t do it. Just further illustrating that there are limits on your rights.

I would say that what needs to be expanded is the control society exerts over those who would infringe on the rights of the rest of us.

Ok. Circular logic gets you nowhere

Nothing circular about it. Over the years, it's been proven again and again that trying to ban things does not solve problems. Prohibition and the War on Drugs, have CREATED more problems than they hoped to solve. The ONLY thing that is effective is to control the PEOPLE who create the problems.

Fair points….I’d like to see the 1.8 million investigated and arrested myself. It doesn’t exclude the fact that the background checks did prevent 1.8 million people who shouldn’t have guns from getting them. We need to expand that to the parking lots.

You can’t buy beer for a kid who isn’t your child. It too is your property but you can’t do it. Just further illustrating that there are limits on your rights.

I would say that what needs to be expanded is the control society exerts over those who would infringe on the rights of the rest of us.

Ok. Circular logic gets you nowhere

So you would rather we legalize cocaine and heroin?

You’re insane.

If you pass a law tomorrow that you can’t keep a gun in your house if someone is PS, will you have every household moving their guns off premises? No. Would some who don’t wish to violate the law? Yes. Eventually more and more people would. Would you ever get 100% compliance? No.

Also in the cases you cite about alcohol and drug use, you do realize that in those cases the distribution channel is being shut down and criminals step in To reopen it. In the case of passing a law that households with a mentally troubled person must keep their weapons off site...no such distribution channel is being shut down. So your examples are not applicable.

Candy, your whole argument about "gun show loopholes" (which really don't exist, but that is another argument) presupposes that those who cannot legally obtain firearms will get them illegally, so your dismissal of prohibition and the war on drugs as irrelevant is actually refuted by your own argument.. You are just so focused on "pieces" of the argument that you have lost sight of your point.

No…

The question is about background checks which fosters the loophole. Not a prohibition of weapons. Its not the same thing unless you take the position that Im sponsoring prohibiting firearms…which I am not.

And because of our war on drugs and to some extent prohibition…there were people who didn’t take illegal drugs or drink which probably fostered a better life for them and their communities.

As for gun show loopholes, there are ample YouTube videos proving its existence.

 

[candycorn]

I would say that what needs to be expanded is the control society exerts over those who would infringe on the rights of the rest of us.

Ok. Circular logic gets you nowhere

Nothing circular about it. Over the years, it's been proven again and again that trying to ban things does not solve problems. Prohibition and the War on Drugs, have CREATED more problems than they hoped to solve. The ONLY thing that is effective is to control the PEOPLE who create the problems.

I would say that what needs to be expanded is the control society exerts over those who would infringe on the rights of the rest of us.

Ok. Circular logic gets you nowhere

Actually bans makes the "problem" worse. Today, firearms can be built from scratch by monkeys with hand tools. The liberals are going to con Trump into signing another bill that will take dollars from one place to divert into this newly created criminal enterprise.

They were always made by hand about. 200 years ago. Nothing new.

Well 200 years ago America was not the drug users capital of the world; we didn't have more people in prisons than any country on this planet; we were not flooded by people from every country on the globe. The memories and the words of the founders were only a generation old so America did not have Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi, Ilhan Omar, Kamala Harris, Adam Schiff, Marco Rubio, Mike Dewine, and Donald (gun hating) Trump.

mmmmmmm okay?

 

[Porter Rockwell]

I would say that what needs to be expanded is the control society exerts over those who would infringe on the rights of the rest of us.

Ok. Circular logic gets you nowhere

Nothing circular about it. Over the years, it's been proven again and again that trying to ban things does not solve problems. Prohibition and the War on Drugs, have CREATED more problems than they hoped to solve. The ONLY thing that is effective is to control the PEOPLE who create the problems.

I would say that what needs to be expanded is the control society exerts over those who would infringe on the rights of the rest of us.

Ok. Circular logic gets you nowhere

So you would rather we legalize cocaine and heroin?

You’re insane.

If you pass a law tomorrow that you can’t keep a gun in your house if someone is PS, will you have every household moving their guns off premises? No. Would some who don’t wish to violate the law? Yes. Eventually more and more people would. Would you ever get 100% compliance? No.

Also in the cases you cite about alcohol and drug use, you do realize that in those cases the distribution channel is being shut down and criminals step in To reopen it. In the case of passing a law that households with a mentally troubled person must keep their weapons off site...no such distribution channel is being shut down. So your examples are not applicable.

Candy, your whole argument about "gun show loopholes" (which really don't exist, but that is another argument) presupposes that those who cannot legally obtain firearms will get them illegally, so your dismissal of prohibition and the war on drugs as irrelevant is actually refuted by your own argument.. You are just so focused on "pieces" of the argument that you have lost sight of your point.

No…

The question is about background checks which fosters the loophole. Not a prohibition of weapons. Its not the same thing unless you take the position that Im sponsoring prohibiting firearms…which I am not.

And because of our war on drugs and to some extent prohibition…there were people who didn’t take illegal drugs or drink which probably fostered a better life for them and their communities.

As for gun show loopholes, there are ample YouTube videos proving its existence.

The federal government does not de jure constitutional authority to violate the Fourth Amendment and force background checks. The NRA was wrong to ever have agreed to them.

 

[M14 Shooter]

If there was a law that you couldn’t have weapons in the house with someone who was diagnosed with mental illness, Adam Lanza wouldn’t have had access to the arsenal he used to mow down 26 people.

Do you people -ever- think before you post?

Irony in and of itself.

So... No.
Thank you

 

[M14 Shooter]

No. My answer is to make them store their guns outside of their residence.

The USSC says no. - this violates the constitution.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Do your children do mass shooting safety drills at school? Ways to hide from a mass shooter?

My kids are in college, and carry.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Fair points….I’d like to see the 1.8 million investigated and arrested myself. It doesn’t exclude the fact that the background checks did prevent 1.8 million people who shouldn’t have guns from getting them. We need to expand that to the parking lots.

You can’t buy beer for a kid who isn’t your child. It too is your property but you can’t do it. Just further illustrating that there are limits on your rights.

I would say that what needs to be expanded is the control society exerts over those who would infringe on the rights of the rest of us.

Ok. Circular logic gets you nowhere

Nothing circular about it. Over the years, it's been proven again and again that trying to ban things does not solve problems. Prohibition and the War on Drugs, have CREATED more problems than they hoped to solve. The ONLY thing that is effective is to control the PEOPLE who create the problems.

Fair points….I’d like to see the 1.8 million investigated and arrested myself. It doesn’t exclude the fact that the background checks did prevent 1.8 million people who shouldn’t have guns from getting them. We need to expand that to the parking lots.

You can’t buy beer for a kid who isn’t your child. It too is your property but you can’t do it. Just further illustrating that there are limits on your rights.

I would say that what needs to be expanded is the control society exerts over those who would infringe on the rights of the rest of us.

Ok. Circular logic gets you nowhere

Actually bans makes the "problem" worse. Today, firearms can be built from scratch by monkeys with hand tools. The liberals are going to con Trump into signing another bill that will take dollars from one place to divert into this newly created criminal enterprise.

They were always made by hand about. 200 years ago. Nothing new.

Yes, even today, there are some real craftsmen making those old Rifles. They hand make all the parts except for one part, the barrel and the combustion chamber. You want one of those, you are going to have to cast it or mill it. Back then, you utilized Founderies. Today, you will either have a complete machine shop that is well outside the common persons means or you will buy the barrel with the combustion chamber.

Tell me, why are you making a damned fool of yourself like this. You can't make a decent gun to save your own life. Even with all my hand tools, I can't either. I don't have a complete machine shop and the skills to go with it. The best I can hope for is to either buy all the parts and assemble it or make a zip gun. Same goes for you. Once again, your remarkable fairy tail has no attachment to reality.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

I would say that what needs to be expanded is the control society exerts over those who would infringe on the rights of the rest of us.

Ok. Circular logic gets you nowhere

Nothing circular about it. Over the years, it's been proven again and again that trying to ban things does not solve problems. Prohibition and the War on Drugs, have CREATED more problems than they hoped to solve. The ONLY thing that is effective is to control the PEOPLE who create the problems.

I would say that what needs to be expanded is the control society exerts over those who would infringe on the rights of the rest of us.

Ok. Circular logic gets you nowhere

Actually bans makes the "problem" worse. Today, firearms can be built from scratch by monkeys with hand tools. The liberals are going to con Trump into signing another bill that will take dollars from one place to divert into this newly created criminal enterprise.

Ooohhhh, the Fear, feel the Fear. Study up on how our Grand Fathers handled the Thompson Model 1921. They did it without confiscating (except for criminals), no house to house searches. None of the fear things you keep bringing up. It was actually very benign. And for the same reasons that we are looking at the AR and the AK. At 200 bucks a gun, there were a LOT of them. IT took about 10 years to finally get them under control. Time works wonders. Did they actually Ban them? Nope. You wanted a Thompson Model 1921, you could still have one. Even today, if you want a Thompson Model 1921 or Thompson M1A1 you can have one. So another "Let's scare Johnny" bites the dust.

And they don't "Ban" all the parts. They do "Regulate" the uppers which is what makes the gun go bang. The Uppers is also the main difference between the AR and the M-16. And I would say that the "Regulation" of the M-16 uppers has worked pretty damned good. When was the last time a fully auto AR was used in a crime? The way to "Regulate" the AR is to regulate the Upper. The same they did with the Thompson Model 1921 and the same they did with the M-16. BTW, I can own a fully auto M-16 if I wish even today. They aren't "Banned" they are regulated.

At some point, your Grand Father got sick and tired of his children getting mowed down by stray shots from mobsters killing each other and did something about it. AT some point, WE are going to have to do something about the sickos mowing down our children with ARs.

More absolute bullshit from an uneducated and ill informed moron. Uppers have never been regulated on an AR15. Blow smoke up somebody else's ass.

Pay attention, little Johnny,
Inside the colt factory, the AR-15 Model 601, 602, 602 and 604 have always been sold only to previously approved Law Enforcement and Military. The part that is different that is controlled is the upper. That means that all the other parts can be purchased commercially or copied save that one pert. Your lack of knowledge is astounding. When you buy a Colt Model LE6920 or Model 750, that is the only real difference except for the rail system. And ALL civilian AR-15s are either those two models OR copies or clones of those two models in either the long version or the carbine (M-4) style.

Okay, lil' Johnny, you can resume eating your own boogers now.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

In 2016, we sent 127 felons back to prison who tried to get firearms through background checks. That is 127 violent criminals that were taken off the streets. Forget about the whatifs, that is 127 violent felons taken off the streets due to universal background checks. If you don't believe that that had no affect, you would be just trolling and working to sell more guns for the Gun Industry with no regard for anyone else.

If those people were "violent" felons, why in the Hell aren't you bitching about the system not doing its job and rehabilitating them? How come you aren't pissed off that the penal system put violent people back onto the streets? Are you so stupid that you don't understand that if a person is violent, access to a firearm doesn't change who they are?

If someone is violent, can they not kill you with a knife, car, baseball bat or poison? Furthermore, of that 127 people, what proof do you have that they were not rehabilitated and pose no threat to society?

You are using statistics as a pretext to turn America into a socialist shithole. If you don't like America, why don't you pack your rags and catch the next flight to Sierra Leone? You're not fooling anybody here by preying upon the emotions of those whose loved ones who were killed by murderers YOU created.

I like our system here. Why don't you NOT move here. You won't be happy.

You don't like anything about America. You spend most of your time talking shit against it... talking trash you don't have the balls to down on street corners with your signs and say in public.

Wow, good reflection you have there, cupcake. I happen to like my little part of America. I live in a primarily Red area. I can walk down the street at 2 am without fear of being shot, beaten, arrested, mugged, kidnapped. Outside of the occasional quickstop holdups, crime is pretty low. Our schools are safe. Almost no one is strutting down the street wearing their Gun ALA Billy the Kid. AR-15s are here but you never see them because they aren't a cult and it's really bad manners to display them in public. Cost of Living is low compared to most places. I would say we have it pretty damned good. But you wouldn't like it here. This is too much like middle America and you want America remade in whatever sick image you have in your twisted head. No thanks, I'll pass and just stay here.

I don't care where you stay. You're too much of a coward to venture too far from your computer and your insults only say, you have NOTHING to say. The value of your posts only demonstrate how little you really know. You aren't even good enough to be called a bull shit artist - it would be an insult to the term.

One small admission: If you aren't in a loony bin, you make a compelling case for a background check - so they can find you and return the village idiot to whatever piece of America you ran away from.

Thank you for supporting Universal Background Checks. You did find a use for them afterall. Please fill out yours honestly as we are in need of new village idiot since the last one was stolen by the town two towns over.

 

[Porter Rockwell]

If those people were "violent" felons, why in the Hell aren't you bitching about the system not doing its job and rehabilitating them? How come you aren't pissed off that the penal system put violent people back onto the streets? Are you so stupid that you don't understand that if a person is violent, access to a firearm doesn't change who they are?

If someone is violent, can they not kill you with a knife, car, baseball bat or poison? Furthermore, of that 127 people, what proof do you have that they were not rehabilitated and pose no threat to society?

You are using statistics as a pretext to turn America into a socialist shithole. If you don't like America, why don't you pack your rags and catch the next flight to Sierra Leone? You're not fooling anybody here by preying upon the emotions of those whose loved ones who were killed by murderers YOU created.

I like our system here. Why don't you NOT move here. You won't be happy.

You don't like anything about America. You spend most of your time talking shit against it... talking trash you don't have the balls to down on street corners with your signs and say in public.

Wow, good reflection you have there, cupcake. I happen to like my little part of America. I live in a primarily Red area. I can walk down the street at 2 am without fear of being shot, beaten, arrested, mugged, kidnapped. Outside of the occasional quickstop holdups, crime is pretty low. Our schools are safe. Almost no one is strutting down the street wearing their Gun ALA Billy the Kid. AR-15s are here but you never see them because they aren't a cult and it's really bad manners to display them in public. Cost of Living is low compared to most places. I would say we have it pretty damned good. But you wouldn't like it here. This is too much like middle America and you want America remade in whatever sick image you have in your twisted head. No thanks, I'll pass and just stay here.

I don't care where you stay. You're too much of a coward to venture too far from your computer and your insults only say, you have NOTHING to say. The value of your posts only demonstrate how little you really know. You aren't even good enough to be called a bull shit artist - it would be an insult to the term.

One small admission: If you aren't in a loony bin, you make a compelling case for a background check - so they can find you and return the village idiot to whatever piece of America you ran away from.

Thank you for supporting Universal Background Checks. You did find a use for them afterall. Please fill out yours honestly as we are in need of new village idiot since the last one was stolen by the town two towns over.

I have reported you as stolen; Seems Nancy Pelosi needed a house *****, but didn't pay for you, bit it was stated you are worthless. Son, it will be a cold day in Hell before I support any Universal Background Check.

Furthermore, I fully advocate passive resistance toward that and Red Flag Laws.

 

[Porter Rockwell]

Ok. Circular logic gets you nowhere

Nothing circular about it. Over the years, it's been proven again and again that trying to ban things does not solve problems. Prohibition and the War on Drugs, have CREATED more problems than they hoped to solve. The ONLY thing that is effective is to control the PEOPLE who create the problems.

Ok. Circular logic gets you nowhere

Actually bans makes the "problem" worse. Today, firearms can be built from scratch by monkeys with hand tools. The liberals are going to con Trump into signing another bill that will take dollars from one place to divert into this newly created criminal enterprise.

Ooohhhh, the Fear, feel the Fear. Study up on how our Grand Fathers handled the Thompson Model 1921. They did it without confiscating (except for criminals), no house to house searches. None of the fear things you keep bringing up. It was actually very benign. And for the same reasons that we are looking at the AR and the AK. At 200 bucks a gun, there were a LOT of them. IT took about 10 years to finally get them under control. Time works wonders. Did they actually Ban them? Nope. You wanted a Thompson Model 1921, you could still have one. Even today, if you want a Thompson Model 1921 or Thompson M1A1 you can have one. So another "Let's scare Johnny" bites the dust.

And they don't "Ban" all the parts. They do "Regulate" the uppers which is what makes the gun go bang. The Uppers is also the main difference between the AR and the M-16. And I would say that the "Regulation" of the M-16 uppers has worked pretty damned good. When was the last time a fully auto AR was used in a crime? The way to "Regulate" the AR is to regulate the Upper. The same they did with the Thompson Model 1921 and the same they did with the M-16. BTW, I can own a fully auto M-16 if I wish even today. They aren't "Banned" they are regulated.

At some point, your Grand Father got sick and tired of his children getting mowed down by stray shots from mobsters killing each other and did something about it. AT some point, WE are going to have to do something about the sickos mowing down our children with ARs.

More absolute bullshit from an uneducated and ill informed moron. Uppers have never been regulated on an AR15. Blow smoke up somebody else's ass.

Pay attention, little Johnny,
Inside the colt factory, the AR-15 Model 601, 602, 602 and 604 have always been sold only to previously approved Law Enforcement and Military. The part that is different that is controlled is the upper. That means that all the other parts can be purchased commercially or copied save that one pert. Your lack of knowledge is astounding. When you buy a Colt Model LE6920 or Model 750, that is the only real difference except for the rail system. And ALL civilian AR-15s are either those two models OR copies or clones of those two models in either the long version or the carbine (M-4) style.

Okay, lil' Johnny, you can resume eating your own boogers now.

You are a complete and total, stark raving idiot. You've never even seen an AR where you live. Any dumb ass who has served some time in the military or worked on an AR knows that the serial number is on the LOWER receiver and upper receivers can be bought as easily as a carton of milk. The LOWER receiver is the "firearm" as per BATFE regulations.

 

[Porter Rockwell]

I would say that what needs to be expanded is the control society exerts over those who would infringe on the rights of the rest of us.

Ok. Circular logic gets you nowhere

Nothing circular about it. Over the years, it's been proven again and again that trying to ban things does not solve problems. Prohibition and the War on Drugs, have CREATED more problems than they hoped to solve. The ONLY thing that is effective is to control the PEOPLE who create the problems.

I would say that what needs to be expanded is the control society exerts over those who would infringe on the rights of the rest of us.

Ok. Circular logic gets you nowhere

Actually bans makes the "problem" worse. Today, firearms can be built from scratch by monkeys with hand tools. The liberals are going to con Trump into signing another bill that will take dollars from one place to divert into this newly created criminal enterprise.

They were always made by hand about. 200 years ago. Nothing new.

Yes, even today, there are some real craftsmen making those old Rifles. They hand make all the parts except for one part, the barrel and the combustion chamber. You want one of those, you are going to have to cast it or mill it. Back then, you utilized Founderies. Today, you will either have a complete machine shop that is well outside the common persons means or you will buy the barrel with the combustion chamber.

Tell me, why are you making a damned fool of yourself like this. You can't make a decent gun to save your own life. Even with all my hand tools, I can't either. I don't have a complete machine shop and the skills to go with it. The best I can hope for is to either buy all the parts and assemble it or make a zip gun. Same goes for you. Once again, your remarkable fairy tail has no attachment to reality.

Now you've really outdone yourself. If you had a machine shop you could turn out an AR from scratch in two days with just a basic machine shop.

 

[2aguy]

I would say that what needs to be expanded is the control society exerts over those who would infringe on the rights of the rest of us.

Ok. Circular logic gets you nowhere

Nothing circular about it. Over the years, it's been proven again and again that trying to ban things does not solve problems. Prohibition and the War on Drugs, have CREATED more problems than they hoped to solve. The ONLY thing that is effective is to control the PEOPLE who create the problems.

I would say that what needs to be expanded is the control society exerts over those who would infringe on the rights of the rest of us.

Ok. Circular logic gets you nowhere

So you would rather we legalize cocaine and heroin?

You’re insane.

If you pass a law tomorrow that you can’t keep a gun in your house if someone is PS, will you have every household moving their guns off premises? No. Would some who don’t wish to violate the law? Yes. Eventually more and more people would. Would you ever get 100% compliance? No.

Also in the cases you cite about alcohol and drug use, you do realize that in those cases the distribution channel is being shut down and criminals step in To reopen it. In the case of passing a law that households with a mentally troubled person must keep their weapons off site...no such distribution channel is being shut down. So your examples are not applicable.

Candy, your whole argument about "gun show loopholes" (which really don't exist, but that is another argument) presupposes that those who cannot legally obtain firearms will get them illegally, so your dismissal of prohibition and the war on drugs as irrelevant is actually refuted by your own argument.. You are just so focused on "pieces" of the argument that you have lost sight of your point.

No…

The question is about background checks which fosters the loophole. Not a prohibition of weapons. Its not the same thing unless you take the position that Im sponsoring prohibiting firearms…which I am not.

And because of our war on drugs and to some extent prohibition…there were people who didn’t take illegal drugs or drink which probably fostered a better life for them and their communities.

As for gun show loopholes, there are ample YouTube videos proving its existence.

Universal Background checks are the Trojan Horse for gun registration....you are being duped or willingly joining the lie..... If they get Universal Background Checks, criminals will use the same straw buyers they use today to get past current, federally mandated background checks, or they will steal their guns. Mass public shooters will pass any background check, or get their gun illegally.

This is known to anti-gun democrats. They also know that when Universal background checks do nothing....they can come back and demand gun registration....they will say it is only common sense to know who has the guns so that all transactions can be monitored...using the Universal Background Checks....

They know that registration is needed first...because they know history. Britain, France, Germany, Canada....registered guns first, then, later, banned and confiscated them......and sadly, in too many countries, unarmed men, women and children were then murdered in the millions.....

Universal Background checks are a required step in gun confiscation.....

 

[Daryl Hunt]

I like our system here. Why don't you NOT move here. You won't be happy.

You don't like anything about America. You spend most of your time talking shit against it... talking trash you don't have the balls to down on street corners with your signs and say in public.

Wow, good reflection you have there, cupcake. I happen to like my little part of America. I live in a primarily Red area. I can walk down the street at 2 am without fear of being shot, beaten, arrested, mugged, kidnapped. Outside of the occasional quickstop holdups, crime is pretty low. Our schools are safe. Almost no one is strutting down the street wearing their Gun ALA Billy the Kid. AR-15s are here but you never see them because they aren't a cult and it's really bad manners to display them in public. Cost of Living is low compared to most places. I would say we have it pretty damned good. But you wouldn't like it here. This is too much like middle America and you want America remade in whatever sick image you have in your twisted head. No thanks, I'll pass and just stay here.

I don't care where you stay. You're too much of a coward to venture too far from your computer and your insults only say, you have NOTHING to say. The value of your posts only demonstrate how little you really know. You aren't even good enough to be called a bull shit artist - it would be an insult to the term.

One small admission: If you aren't in a loony bin, you make a compelling case for a background check - so they can find you and return the village idiot to whatever piece of America you ran away from.

Thank you for supporting Universal Background Checks. You did find a use for them afterall. Please fill out yours honestly as we are in need of new village idiot since the last one was stolen by the town two towns over.

I have reported you as stolen; Seems Nancy Pelosi needed a house *****, but didn't pay for you, bit it was stated you are worthless. Son, it will be a cold day in Hell before I support any Universal Background Check.

Furthermore, I fully advocate passive resistance toward that and Red Flag Laws.

At least you are advocating passive resistance. Unlike some of your real fruitcake buddies. When the Universal Background checks and Red Flag Laws do happen (and we both know they will) at least I would be willing to work with you to keep it from going much deeper than that. But to those that advocate direct violence, I would be one of the first to help round them up under the Red Flag Laws.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Ok. Circular logic gets you nowhere

Nothing circular about it. Over the years, it's been proven again and again that trying to ban things does not solve problems. Prohibition and the War on Drugs, have CREATED more problems than they hoped to solve. The ONLY thing that is effective is to control the PEOPLE who create the problems.

Ok. Circular logic gets you nowhere

Actually bans makes the "problem" worse. Today, firearms can be built from scratch by monkeys with hand tools. The liberals are going to con Trump into signing another bill that will take dollars from one place to divert into this newly created criminal enterprise.

They were always made by hand about. 200 years ago. Nothing new.

Yes, even today, there are some real craftsmen making those old Rifles. They hand make all the parts except for one part, the barrel and the combustion chamber. You want one of those, you are going to have to cast it or mill it. Back then, you utilized Founderies. Today, you will either have a complete machine shop that is well outside the common persons means or you will buy the barrel with the combustion chamber.

Tell me, why are you making a damned fool of yourself like this. You can't make a decent gun to save your own life. Even with all my hand tools, I can't either. I don't have a complete machine shop and the skills to go with it. The best I can hope for is to either buy all the parts and assemble it or make a zip gun. Same goes for you. Once again, your remarkable fairy tail has no attachment to reality.

Now you've really outdone yourself. If you had a machine shop you could turn out an AR from scratch in two days with just a basic machine shop.

And Pigs could fly if they had wings. You certainly think more of me than I do of myself. Or you are really, really over estimating your own ability.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Nothing circular about it. Over the years, it's been proven again and again that trying to ban things does not solve problems. Prohibition and the War on Drugs, have CREATED more problems than they hoped to solve. The ONLY thing that is effective is to control the PEOPLE who create the problems.

Actually bans makes the "problem" worse. Today, firearms can be built from scratch by monkeys with hand tools. The liberals are going to con Trump into signing another bill that will take dollars from one place to divert into this newly created criminal enterprise.

Ooohhhh, the Fear, feel the Fear. Study up on how our Grand Fathers handled the Thompson Model 1921. They did it without confiscating (except for criminals), no house to house searches. None of the fear things you keep bringing up. It was actually very benign. And for the same reasons that we are looking at the AR and the AK. At 200 bucks a gun, there were a LOT of them. IT took about 10 years to finally get them under control. Time works wonders. Did they actually Ban them? Nope. You wanted a Thompson Model 1921, you could still have one. Even today, if you want a Thompson Model 1921 or Thompson M1A1 you can have one. So another "Let's scare Johnny" bites the dust.

And they don't "Ban" all the parts. They do "Regulate" the uppers which is what makes the gun go bang. The Uppers is also the main difference between the AR and the M-16. And I would say that the "Regulation" of the M-16 uppers has worked pretty damned good. When was the last time a fully auto AR was used in a crime? The way to "Regulate" the AR is to regulate the Upper. The same they did with the Thompson Model 1921 and the same they did with the M-16. BTW, I can own a fully auto M-16 if I wish even today. They aren't "Banned" they are regulated.

At some point, your Grand Father got sick and tired of his children getting mowed down by stray shots from mobsters killing each other and did something about it. AT some point, WE are going to have to do something about the sickos mowing down our children with ARs.

More absolute bullshit from an uneducated and ill informed moron. Uppers have never been regulated on an AR15. Blow smoke up somebody else's ass.

Pay attention, little Johnny,
Inside the colt factory, the AR-15 Model 601, 602, 602 and 604 have always been sold only to previously approved Law Enforcement and Military. The part that is different that is controlled is the upper. That means that all the other parts can be purchased commercially or copied save that one pert. Your lack of knowledge is astounding. When you buy a Colt Model LE6920 or Model 750, that is the only real difference except for the rail system. And ALL civilian AR-15s are either those two models OR copies or clones of those two models in either the long version or the carbine (M-4) style.

Okay, lil' Johnny, you can resume eating your own boogers now.

You are a complete and total, stark raving idiot. You've never even seen an AR where you live. Any dumb ass who has served some time in the military or worked on an AR knows that the serial number is on the LOWER receiver and upper receivers can be bought as easily as a carton of milk. The LOWER receiver is the "firearm" as per BATFE regulations.

Thank you for the correction. I was wondering if one of you gunnutters was going to catch that. The way to lead a mad dog to the cage is with a nice juicy steak. And you fall for it. That means that the one part that is the difference between the AR and the M is the lower receiver. Everything else is the same or at least interchangeable. The way to "Regulate" the AR is to regulate the one item with the SN exactly like the M series. It works. Then you can sit in the dark, gnash your teeth, pound the floor and sand to your hearts content and in 10 years or so, the AR is a memory just like the Thompson Model 1921 became.

Or you can stop this nonsense and work to get a handle on things because it's not going to stay like it is. Either work with the regulation and make it common sense or watch the hard core regulation go into place. You do have a choice. Others will never have that choice.