Universal background checks... really?

[candycorn]

So you would rather we legalize cocaine and heroin?

You’re insane.

If you pass a law tomorrow that you can’t keep a gun in your house if someone is PS, will you have every household moving their guns off premises? No. Would some who don’t wish to violate the law? Yes. Eventually more and more people would. Would you ever get 100% compliance? No.

Also in the cases you cite about alcohol and drug use, you do realize that in those cases the distribution channel is being shut down and criminals step in To reopen it. In the case of passing a law that households with a mentally troubled person must keep their weapons off site...no such distribution channel is being shut down. So your examples are not applicable.

Candy, your whole argument about "gun show loopholes" (which really don't exist, but that is another argument) presupposes that those who cannot legally obtain firearms will get them illegally, so your dismissal of prohibition and the war on drugs as irrelevant is actually refuted by your own argument.. You are just so focused on "pieces" of the argument that you have lost sight of your point.

No…

The question is about background checks which fosters the loophole. Not a prohibition of weapons. Its not the same thing unless you take the position that Im sponsoring prohibiting firearms…which I am not.

And because of our war on drugs and to some extent prohibition…there were people who didn’t take illegal drugs or drink which probably fostered a better life for them and their communities.

As for gun show loopholes, there are ample YouTube videos proving its existence.

The federal government does not de jure constitutional authority to violate the Fourth Amendment and force background checks. The NRA was wrong to ever have agreed to them.

Losing position on all fronts

You are delusional and following around a seditionist. You'd be the loser.

he he he….I’ll take word soup for $200 Alex!

 

[Porter Rockwell]

TheHill.com ^ | 09/16/19

Prospects for a bipartisan deal on gun control legislation have dimmed significantly as President Trump and Democratic leaders appear to be far apart on the key issue of expanding background checks.

Republicans expect Trump to put forward a proposal addressing gun violence later this week, but Democrats predict it is likely to fall far short of what is needed and that they may not vote for it.

Democrats are pressing Trump to agree to a gun control bill already approved by the House, but the president has yet to even signal support for a scaled-down background check bill sponsored by Sens. Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.) and Pat Toomey (R-Pa.).

“I don’t think anyone thinks he’s going to endorse the Toomey bill, which is weaker than the House bill,” said a senior Democratic aide, expressing growing doubt on Capitol Hill that Trump will strike a bipartisan deal.

As a result, the likelihood that Congress will fail to take action on gun violence a month after a new spate of shootings across the country appears to be growing.

Republicans say the political momentum within their party to expand background checks suffered a blow last week when Democratic presidential candidate Beto O’Rourke declared, “hell yes, we’re going to take your AR-15s, your AK-47s” at Thursday’s primary debate.

It was a big moment for O’Rourke’s campaign, but it underscored long-standing arguments from gun rights proponents that Democratic efforts on gun control are really aimed at the confiscation of firearms.

“This rhetoric undermines and hurts bipartisan efforts to actually make progress on commonsense gun safety efforts, like expanding background checks,” Toomey, who has been at the center of Senate negotiations, warned Friday.

It’s still possible the two parties could agree on some lower-hanging measures.

White House officials last week floated the idea of a new smartphone app that would be connected to the National

Instant Criminal Background Check System, which could be used to conduct background checks for sales between individuals who are not licensed dealers.

But it will be difficult for Democrats to agree to that proposal if it is a high watermark of what can be accepted by Republicans.

Manchin dismissed the idea of the smartphone app.

“The app’s crazy, totally crazy,” he said, arguing that the National Instant Criminal Background Check System works well as it is. “We have something that’s not broken, and they want to fix it and throw something at it. To throw that into a bill would be wrong.”

Similarly, Democrats are signaling that just passing “red flag” legislation that would empower law enforcement officials to confiscate firearms from people judged to be dangerous is not enough.

Senate Minority Leader Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.) argued on the Senate floor Monday that without an expansion of background check requirements, even a person who had his or her firearm confiscated by the police could immediately purchase another one from an individual who is not a federally licensed dealer.

Sen. Chris Murphy (D-Conn.), a key negotiator who has had discussions with Trump on gun control, told reporters that the president needed to give them an affirmative sign by the end of last week in order to keep momentum from dying in Congress.

“My worry is that the forces inside the White House that are representing the gun lobby may be prevailing,” Murphy told reporters Monday. “I think that’s a shame.”

“They told us we would hear back by Thursday and we didn’t hear anything on Thursday or Friday or Saturday or Sunday,” he added. “Silence is probably indicative that they’re not willing to move.”

Manchin also sounded a pessimistic note.

“I haven’t heard back from their staff,” said Manchin, who panned the idea of creating a new smartphone app to conduct background checks.

Senate Republican Whip John Thune (S.D.) said Monday afternoon that Trump is still reviewing his options, and a senior Republican aide said the White House is expected to present a plan to GOP leaders later this week.

“I think they’re looking at that and a whole range of issues, but I don’t think they’ve come to any conclusions,”

Thune, who met with Trump last week, said when asked about the prospect of the president endorsing expanded background checks.

Still, as more days pass without progress, gun control advocates in the Senate are growing increasingly pessimistic.

“It’s typical of the president and his statements on controversial issues. He’s on the side of the American people until he’s on the side of the special interest,” said Senate Democratic Whip Dick Durbin (Ill.).

Conservatives are already warning the White House and GOP leaders of a backlash from gun rights advocates if Trump endorses a proposal to expand background checks to all online and gun show sales, as envisioned by the Manchin-Toomey bill.

“If Republicans abandon the Second Amendment and demoralize millions of Americans who care deeply about Second Amendment rights, that could go a long way to electing a President Elizabeth Warren,” Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) warned last week, referring to the liberal Massachusetts senator, who is running for president.

A senior Republican aide on Monday expressed skepticism that Trump will endorse legislation that would significantly expand background checks, such as the Manchin-Toomey bill or the universal background check measure passed by the House in February.

In a call on Sunday with Schumer and Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.), Trump made no commitment on the House bill, according to two officials familiar with the call.

Meanwhile, I did read that the NRA endorsed Red Flag Laws. WHEN the liberals get a compromise, they will say, "well, it's a start." Beto told you the end game.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

At least you are advocating passive resistance. Unlike some of your real fruitcake buddies. When the Universal Background checks and Red Flag Laws do happen (and we both know they will) at least I would be willing to work with you to keep it from going much deeper than that. But to those that advocate direct violence, I would be one of the first to help round them up under the Red Flag Laws.

I will not obey unconstitutional laws. If an attempt is made to jail people and / or take their guns for not complying with unconstitutional laws, I'd support a civilian militia response.

How do you think America came into being? Do you really think that our forefathers fought and died for Liberty so that we could play the tyrant's fool?

Then that is your choice. And mine is to be armed on the other side to stop you. You see, it works both ways. You have the right to die for your convictions no matter how misplaced they might be.

And you have a right to be misguided. If all Hell breaks loose it will be fate, destiny, or more likely the will of God that decides the victor.

Or the rule of law. Either you have the rule of law on your side or you are a criminal and should be dealt as such.

Which "rule of law?"

"On every occasion [of Constitutional interpretation] let us carry ourselves back to the time when the Constitution was adopted, recollect the spirit manifested in the debates, and instead of trying [to force] what meaning may be squeezed out of the text, or invented against it, [instead let us] conform to the probable one in which it was passed."
- Thomas Jefferson, letter to William Johnson, 12 June 1823


"Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are ruined.... The great object is that every man be armed. Everyone who is able might have a gun." - Patrick Henry, Speech to the Virginia Ratifying Convention, June 5, 1778

"If the representatives of the people betray their constituents, there is then no resource left but in the exertion of that original right of self-defense which is paramount to all positive forms of government, and which against the usurpations of the national rulers, may be exerted with infinitely better prospect of success than against those of the rulers of an individual state. In a single state, if the persons intrusted with supreme power become usurpers, the different parcels, subdivisions, or districts of which it consists, having no distinct government in each, can take no regular measures for defense. The citizens must rush tumultuously to arms, without concert, without system, without resource; except in their courage and despair."
- Alexander Hamilton, Federalist No. 28

"For it is a truth, which the experience of ages has attested, that the people are always most in danger when the means of injuring their rights are in the possession of those of whom they entertain the least suspicion."
- Alexander Hamilton, Federalist No. 25, December 21, 1787

"f circumstances should at any time oblige the government to form an army of any magnitude that army can never be formidable to the liberties of the people while there is a large body of citizens, little, if at all, inferior to them in discipline and the use of arms, who stand ready to defend their own rights and those of their fellow-citizens. This appears to me the only substitute that can be devised for a standing army, and the best possible security against it, if it should exist."
- Alexander Hamilton, Federalist No. 28, January 10, 1788

“A militia when properly formed are in fact the people themselves…and include, according to the past and general usuage of the states, all men capable of bearing arms… "To preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of the people always possess arms, and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them."
- Richard Henry Lee, Federal Farmer No. 18, January 25, 1788

"Besides the advantage of being armed, which the Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation, the existence of subordinate governments, to which the people are attached, and by which the militia officers are appointed, forms a barrier against the enterprises of ambition, more insurmountable than any which a simple government of any form can admit of."
- James Madison, Federalist No. 46, January 29, 1788

"...the ultimate authority, wherever the derivative may be found, resides in the people alone..."
- James Madison, Federalist No. 46, January 29, 1788

The Constitution shall never be construed to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms."
- Samuel Adams, Massachusetts Ratifying Convention, 1788

"To disarm the people...s the most effectual way to enslave them."
- George Mason, referencing advice given to the British Parliament by Pennsylvania governor Sir William Keith, The Debates in the Several State Conventions on the Adooption of the Federal Constitution, June 14, 1788

"Arms in the hands of citizens (may) be used at individual discretion...in private self-defense..." -John Adams,

1788 A Defense of the Constitution of the Government of the USA, p.471

"Rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do not add ‘within the limits of the law’ because law is often but the tyrant’s will, and always so when it violates the rights of the individual.” Thomas Jefferson

And you oppose that?

The taking up of arms against the rule of law is no longer acceptable. You take up the courts and the vote. If you decide to take up arms in the face of the rule of law then you are a criminal and will be dealt with as such.

 

[Porter Rockwell]

I will not obey unconstitutional laws. If an attempt is made to jail people and / or take their guns for not complying with unconstitutional laws, I'd support a civilian militia response.

How do you think America came into being? Do you really think that our forefathers fought and died for Liberty so that we could play the tyrant's fool?

Then that is your choice. And mine is to be armed on the other side to stop you. You see, it works both ways. You have the right to die for your convictions no matter how misplaced they might be.

And you have a right to be misguided. If all Hell breaks loose it will be fate, destiny, or more likely the will of God that decides the victor.

Or the rule of law. Either you have the rule of law on your side or you are a criminal and should be dealt as such.

Which "rule of law?"

"On every occasion [of Constitutional interpretation] let us carry ourselves back to the time when the Constitution was adopted, recollect the spirit manifested in the debates, and instead of trying [to force] what meaning may be squeezed out of the text, or invented against it, [instead let us] conform to the probable one in which it was passed."
- Thomas Jefferson, letter to William Johnson, 12 June 1823


"Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are ruined.... The great object is that every man be armed. Everyone who is able might have a gun." - Patrick Henry, Speech to the Virginia Ratifying Convention, June 5, 1778

"If the representatives of the people betray their constituents, there is then no resource left but in the exertion of that original right of self-defense which is paramount to all positive forms of government, and which against the usurpations of the national rulers, may be exerted with infinitely better prospect of success than against those of the rulers of an individual state. In a single state, if the persons intrusted with supreme power become usurpers, the different parcels, subdivisions, or districts of which it consists, having no distinct government in each, can take no regular measures for defense. The citizens must rush tumultuously to arms, without concert, without system, without resource; except in their courage and despair."
- Alexander Hamilton, Federalist No. 28

"For it is a truth, which the experience of ages has attested, that the people are always most in danger when the means of injuring their rights are in the possession of those of whom they entertain the least suspicion."
- Alexander Hamilton, Federalist No. 25, December 21, 1787

"f circumstances should at any time oblige the government to form an army of any magnitude that army can never be formidable to the liberties of the people while there is a large body of citizens, little, if at all, inferior to them in discipline and the use of arms, who stand ready to defend their own rights and those of their fellow-citizens. This appears to me the only substitute that can be devised for a standing army, and the best possible security against it, if it should exist."
- Alexander Hamilton, Federalist No. 28, January 10, 1788

“A militia when properly formed are in fact the people themselves…and include, according to the past and general usuage of the states, all men capable of bearing arms… "To preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of the people always possess arms, and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them."
- Richard Henry Lee, Federal Farmer No. 18, January 25, 1788

"Besides the advantage of being armed, which the Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation, the existence of subordinate governments, to which the people are attached, and by which the militia officers are appointed, forms a barrier against the enterprises of ambition, more insurmountable than any which a simple government of any form can admit of."
- James Madison, Federalist No. 46, January 29, 1788

"...the ultimate authority, wherever the derivative may be found, resides in the people alone..."
- James Madison, Federalist No. 46, January 29, 1788

The Constitution shall never be construed to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms."
- Samuel Adams, Massachusetts Ratifying Convention, 1788

"To disarm the people...s the most effectual way to enslave them."
- George Mason, referencing advice given to the British Parliament by Pennsylvania governor Sir William Keith, The Debates in the Several State Conventions on the Adooption of the Federal Constitution, June 14, 1788

"Arms in the hands of citizens (may) be used at individual discretion...in private self-defense..." -John Adams,

1788 A Defense of the Constitution of the Government of the USA, p.471

"Rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do not add ‘within the limits of the law’ because law is often but the tyrant’s will, and always so when it violates the rights of the individual.” Thomas Jefferson

And you oppose that?

The taking up of arms against the rule of law is no longer acceptable. You take up the courts and the vote. If you decide to take up arms in the face of the rule of law then you are a criminal and will be dealt with as such.

What amendment is that in counselor? You have a president that is trying to rule by way of Executive fiat; you have a United States Supreme Court that is legislating from the bench; Congress will not do their job; socialists on both sides of the political spectrum are trying to merge the police with the military.

There is NO "Rule of Law" as the Constitution has been subverted and ignored. The United States Supreme Court pretends to bestow upon other branches of government powers it is not authorized to do under the Constitution. The Bill of Rights were nullified by an illegally ratified amendment and we instituted a graduated income tax, a plank out of the Communist Manifesto with another illegal amendment.

Government has become dependent on drug money (whether legal or illegal), major corporations are now becoming major lobbyists and there is no individual to regulate as they push their weight around to force American into the throes of a One World Government.

The judicial branch of government has become so corrupt that they think they grant us all of our Rights and no longer even acknowledge the unalienable Rights which are a part of the Declaratory Charter of the Rights of man as Thomas Jefferson called it. They have gone so far as to take the word unalienable out of the legal dictionaries.

You have a president that is so liberal he advocates taking peoples guns and then giving them Due Process later. That is tantamount to raping someone and then asking permission after you're finished. The Liar in Chief proposes to take private land along the border via the eminent domain statutes and not give the private land owners just compensation for what he is taking.

The legislative branch of government, especially the democrats are proposing socialism and the whole lot of them should be arrested and charged with sedition. The number ONE enemy of this NEW WORLD ORDER are the posterity of the founders of this country. State and local governments are helping to eradicate the history of our ancestors by removing all the plaques, monuments, statues, memorials, and flags of our ancestors. They want the pictures of our founders / framers off the currency of America.

The police shoot unarmed people in the back on the streets of America; they ignore the laws that apply to all of us; they make a mockery of the Constitution. And you think I'm supposed to register a firearm, go through a background check, and just go along with this gross miscarriage of justice? You are freaking delusional. You are so delusional and uninformed that you don't know that even the corrupt United States Supreme Court has opined that No one is bound to obey an unconstitutional law. Screw you and your gun control.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Then that is your choice. And mine is to be armed on the other side to stop you. You see, it works both ways. You have the right to die for your convictions no matter how misplaced they might be.

And you have a right to be misguided. If all Hell breaks loose it will be fate, destiny, or more likely the will of God that decides the victor.

Or the rule of law. Either you have the rule of law on your side or you are a criminal and should be dealt as such.

Which "rule of law?"

"On every occasion [of Constitutional interpretation] let us carry ourselves back to the time when the Constitution was adopted, recollect the spirit manifested in the debates, and instead of trying [to force] what meaning may be squeezed out of the text, or invented against it, [instead let us] conform to the probable one in which it was passed."
- Thomas Jefferson, letter to William Johnson, 12 June 1823


"Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are ruined.... The great object is that every man be armed. Everyone who is able might have a gun." - Patrick Henry, Speech to the Virginia Ratifying Convention, June 5, 1778

"If the representatives of the people betray their constituents, there is then no resource left but in the exertion of that original right of self-defense which is paramount to all positive forms of government, and which against the usurpations of the national rulers, may be exerted with infinitely better prospect of success than against those of the rulers of an individual state. In a single state, if the persons intrusted with supreme power become usurpers, the different parcels, subdivisions, or districts of which it consists, having no distinct government in each, can take no regular measures for defense. The citizens must rush tumultuously to arms, without concert, without system, without resource; except in their courage and despair."
- Alexander Hamilton, Federalist No. 28

"For it is a truth, which the experience of ages has attested, that the people are always most in danger when the means of injuring their rights are in the possession of those of whom they entertain the least suspicion."
- Alexander Hamilton, Federalist No. 25, December 21, 1787

"f circumstances should at any time oblige the government to form an army of any magnitude that army can never be formidable to the liberties of the people while there is a large body of citizens, little, if at all, inferior to them in discipline and the use of arms, who stand ready to defend their own rights and those of their fellow-citizens. This appears to me the only substitute that can be devised for a standing army, and the best possible security against it, if it should exist."
- Alexander Hamilton, Federalist No. 28, January 10, 1788

“A militia when properly formed are in fact the people themselves…and include, according to the past and general usuage of the states, all men capable of bearing arms… "To preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of the people always possess arms, and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them."
- Richard Henry Lee, Federal Farmer No. 18, January 25, 1788

"Besides the advantage of being armed, which the Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation, the existence of subordinate governments, to which the people are attached, and by which the militia officers are appointed, forms a barrier against the enterprises of ambition, more insurmountable than any which a simple government of any form can admit of."
- James Madison, Federalist No. 46, January 29, 1788

"...the ultimate authority, wherever the derivative may be found, resides in the people alone..."
- James Madison, Federalist No. 46, January 29, 1788

The Constitution shall never be construed to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms."
- Samuel Adams, Massachusetts Ratifying Convention, 1788

"To disarm the people...s the most effectual way to enslave them."
- George Mason, referencing advice given to the British Parliament by Pennsylvania governor Sir William Keith, The Debates in the Several State Conventions on the Adooption of the Federal Constitution, June 14, 1788

"Arms in the hands of citizens (may) be used at individual discretion...in private self-defense..." -John Adams,

1788 A Defense of the Constitution of the Government of the USA, p.471

"Rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do not add ‘within the limits of the law’ because law is often but the tyrant’s will, and always so when it violates the rights of the individual.” Thomas Jefferson

And you oppose that?

The taking up of arms against the rule of law is no longer acceptable. You take up the courts and the vote. If you decide to take up arms in the face of the rule of law then you are a criminal and will be dealt with as such.

What amendment is that in counselor? You have a president that is trying to rule by way of Executive fiat; you have a United States Supreme Court that is legislating from the bench; Congress will not do their job; socialists on both sides of the political spectrum are trying to merge the police with the military.

There is NO "Rule of Law" as the Constitution has been subverted and ignored. The United States Supreme Court pretends to bestow upon other branches of government powers it is not authorized to do under the Constitution. The Bill of Rights were nullified by an illegally ratified amendment and we instituted a graduated income tax, a plank out of the Communist Manifesto with another illegal amendment.

Government has become dependent on drug money (whether legal or illegal), major corporations are now becoming major lobbyists and there is no individual to regulate as they push their weight around to force American into the throes of a One World Government.

The judicial branch of government has become so corrupt that they think they grant us all of our Rights and no longer even acknowledge the unalienable Rights which are a part of the Declaratory Charter of the Rights of man as Thomas Jefferson called it. They have gone so far as to take the word unalienable out of the legal dictionaries.

You have a president that is so liberal he advocates taking peoples guns and then giving them Due Process later. That is tantamount to raping someone and then asking permission after you're finished. The Liar in Chief proposes to take private land along the border via the eminent domain statutes and not give the private land owners just compensation for what he is taking.

The legislative branch of government, especially the democrats are proposing socialism and the whole lot of them should be arrested and charged with sedition. The number ONE enemy of this NEW WORLD ORDER are the posterity of the founders of this country. State and local governments are helping to eradicate the history of our ancestors by removing all the plaques, monuments, statues, memorials, and flags of our ancestors. They want the pictures of our founders / framers off the currency of America.

The police shoot unarmed people in the back on the streets of America; they ignore the laws that apply to all of us; they make a mockery of the Constitution. And you think I'm supposed to register a firearm, go through a background check, and just go along with this gross miscarriage of justice? You are freaking delusional. You are so delusional and uninformed that you don't know that even the corrupt United States Supreme Court has opined that No one is bound to obey an unconstitutional law. Screw you and your gun control.

You are free to say what you just said. It's still a free country to do that. But if you act on it then it will not be within the law of the land. But you go ahead and keep spouting off. It's your Constitutional Right.

 

[Porter Rockwell]

And you have a right to be misguided. If all Hell breaks loose it will be fate, destiny, or more likely the will of God that decides the victor.

Or the rule of law. Either you have the rule of law on your side or you are a criminal and should be dealt as such.

Which "rule of law?"

"On every occasion [of Constitutional interpretation] let us carry ourselves back to the time when the Constitution was adopted, recollect the spirit manifested in the debates, and instead of trying [to force] what meaning may be squeezed out of the text, or invented against it, [instead let us] conform to the probable one in which it was passed."
- Thomas Jefferson, letter to William Johnson, 12 June 1823


"Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are ruined.... The great object is that every man be armed. Everyone who is able might have a gun." - Patrick Henry, Speech to the Virginia Ratifying Convention, June 5, 1778

"If the representatives of the people betray their constituents, there is then no resource left but in the exertion of that original right of self-defense which is paramount to all positive forms of government, and which against the usurpations of the national rulers, may be exerted with infinitely better prospect of success than against those of the rulers of an individual state. In a single state, if the persons intrusted with supreme power become usurpers, the different parcels, subdivisions, or districts of which it consists, having no distinct government in each, can take no regular measures for defense. The citizens must rush tumultuously to arms, without concert, without system, without resource; except in their courage and despair."
- Alexander Hamilton, Federalist No. 28

"For it is a truth, which the experience of ages has attested, that the people are always most in danger when the means of injuring their rights are in the possession of those of whom they entertain the least suspicion."
- Alexander Hamilton, Federalist No. 25, December 21, 1787

"f circumstances should at any time oblige the government to form an army of any magnitude that army can never be formidable to the liberties of the people while there is a large body of citizens, little, if at all, inferior to them in discipline and the use of arms, who stand ready to defend their own rights and those of their fellow-citizens. This appears to me the only substitute that can be devised for a standing army, and the best possible security against it, if it should exist."
- Alexander Hamilton, Federalist No. 28, January 10, 1788

“A militia when properly formed are in fact the people themselves…and include, according to the past and general usuage of the states, all men capable of bearing arms… "To preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of the people always possess arms, and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them."
- Richard Henry Lee, Federal Farmer No. 18, January 25, 1788

"Besides the advantage of being armed, which the Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation, the existence of subordinate governments, to which the people are attached, and by which the militia officers are appointed, forms a barrier against the enterprises of ambition, more insurmountable than any which a simple government of any form can admit of."
- James Madison, Federalist No. 46, January 29, 1788

"...the ultimate authority, wherever the derivative may be found, resides in the people alone..."
- James Madison, Federalist No. 46, January 29, 1788

The Constitution shall never be construed to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms."
- Samuel Adams, Massachusetts Ratifying Convention, 1788

"To disarm the people...s the most effectual way to enslave them."
- George Mason, referencing advice given to the British Parliament by Pennsylvania governor Sir William Keith, The Debates in the Several State Conventions on the Adooption of the Federal Constitution, June 14, 1788

"Arms in the hands of citizens (may) be used at individual discretion...in private self-defense..." -John Adams,

1788 A Defense of the Constitution of the Government of the USA, p.471

"Rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do not add ‘within the limits of the law’ because law is often but the tyrant’s will, and always so when it violates the rights of the individual.” Thomas Jefferson

And you oppose that?

The taking up of arms against the rule of law is no longer acceptable. You take up the courts and the vote. If you decide to take up arms in the face of the rule of law then you are a criminal and will be dealt with as such.

What amendment is that in counselor? You have a president that is trying to rule by way of Executive fiat; you have a United States Supreme Court that is legislating from the bench; Congress will not do their job; socialists on both sides of the political spectrum are trying to merge the police with the military.

There is NO "Rule of Law" as the Constitution has been subverted and ignored. The United States Supreme Court pretends to bestow upon other branches of government powers it is not authorized to do under the Constitution. The Bill of Rights were nullified by an illegally ratified amendment and we instituted a graduated income tax, a plank out of the Communist Manifesto with another illegal amendment.

Government has become dependent on drug money (whether legal or illegal), major corporations are now becoming major lobbyists and there is no individual to regulate as they push their weight around to force American into the throes of a One World Government.

The judicial branch of government has become so corrupt that they think they grant us all of our Rights and no longer even acknowledge the unalienable Rights which are a part of the Declaratory Charter of the Rights of man as Thomas Jefferson called it. They have gone so far as to take the word unalienable out of the legal dictionaries.

You have a president that is so liberal he advocates taking peoples guns and then giving them Due Process later. That is tantamount to raping someone and then asking permission after you're finished. The Liar in Chief proposes to take private land along the border via the eminent domain statutes and not give the private land owners just compensation for what he is taking.

The legislative branch of government, especially the democrats are proposing socialism and the whole lot of them should be arrested and charged with sedition. The number ONE enemy of this NEW WORLD ORDER are the posterity of the founders of this country. State and local governments are helping to eradicate the history of our ancestors by removing all the plaques, monuments, statues, memorials, and flags of our ancestors. They want the pictures of our founders / framers off the currency of America.

The police shoot unarmed people in the back on the streets of America; they ignore the laws that apply to all of us; they make a mockery of the Constitution. And you think I'm supposed to register a firearm, go through a background check, and just go along with this gross miscarriage of justice? You are freaking delusional. You are so delusional and uninformed that you don't know that even the corrupt United States Supreme Court has opined that No one is bound to obey an unconstitutional law. Screw you and your gun control.

You are free to say what you just said. It's still a free country to do that. But if you act on it then it will not be within the law of the land. But you go ahead and keep spouting off. It's your Constitutional Right.

You act as if the truth eluded you. As you know, I duly note your veiled threat. Let me translate in the English vernacular - talk your shit all day long. When the left gets back in charge, your ass is history. I understand you very well.

 

[Rigby5]

I will not obey unconstitutional laws. If an attempt is made to jail people and / or take their guns for not complying with unconstitutional laws, I'd support a civilian militia response.

How do you think America came into being? Do you really think that our forefathers fought and died for Liberty so that we could play the tyrant's fool?

Then that is your choice. And mine is to be armed on the other side to stop you. You see, it works both ways. You have the right to die for your convictions no matter how misplaced they might be.

And you have a right to be misguided. If all Hell breaks loose it will be fate, destiny, or more likely the will of God that decides the victor.

Or the rule of law. Either you have the rule of law on your side or you are a criminal and should be dealt as such.

Which "rule of law?"

"On every occasion [of Constitutional interpretation] let us carry ourselves back to the time when the Constitution was adopted, recollect the spirit manifested in the debates, and instead of trying [to force] what meaning may be squeezed out of the text, or invented against it, [instead let us] conform to the probable one in which it was passed."
- Thomas Jefferson, letter to William Johnson, 12 June 1823


"Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are ruined.... The great object is that every man be armed. Everyone who is able might have a gun." - Patrick Henry, Speech to the Virginia Ratifying Convention, June 5, 1778

"If the representatives of the people betray their constituents, there is then no resource left but in the exertion of that original right of self-defense which is paramount to all positive forms of government, and which against the usurpations of the national rulers, may be exerted with infinitely better prospect of success than against those of the rulers of an individual state. In a single state, if the persons intrusted with supreme power become usurpers, the different parcels, subdivisions, or districts of which it consists, having no distinct government in each, can take no regular measures for defense. The citizens must rush tumultuously to arms, without concert, without system, without resource; except in their courage and despair."
- Alexander Hamilton, Federalist No. 28

"For it is a truth, which the experience of ages has attested, that the people are always most in danger when the means of injuring their rights are in the possession of those of whom they entertain the least suspicion."
- Alexander Hamilton, Federalist No. 25, December 21, 1787

"f circumstances should at any time oblige the government to form an army of any magnitude that army can never be formidable to the liberties of the people while there is a large body of citizens, little, if at all, inferior to them in discipline and the use of arms, who stand ready to defend their own rights and those of their fellow-citizens. This appears to me the only substitute that can be devised for a standing army, and the best possible security against it, if it should exist."
- Alexander Hamilton, Federalist No. 28, January 10, 1788

“A militia when properly formed are in fact the people themselves…and include, according to the past and general usuage of the states, all men capable of bearing arms… "To preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of the people always possess arms, and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them."
- Richard Henry Lee, Federal Farmer No. 18, January 25, 1788

"Besides the advantage of being armed, which the Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation, the existence of subordinate governments, to which the people are attached, and by which the militia officers are appointed, forms a barrier against the enterprises of ambition, more insurmountable than any which a simple government of any form can admit of."
- James Madison, Federalist No. 46, January 29, 1788

"...the ultimate authority, wherever the derivative may be found, resides in the people alone..."
- James Madison, Federalist No. 46, January 29, 1788

The Constitution shall never be construed to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms."
- Samuel Adams, Massachusetts Ratifying Convention, 1788

"To disarm the people...s the most effectual way to enslave them."
- George Mason, referencing advice given to the British Parliament by Pennsylvania governor Sir William Keith, The Debates in the Several State Conventions on the Adooption of the Federal Constitution, June 14, 1788

"Arms in the hands of citizens (may) be used at individual discretion...in private self-defense..." -John Adams,

1788 A Defense of the Constitution of the Government of the USA, p.471

"Rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do not add ‘within the limits of the law’ because law is often but the tyrant’s will, and always so when it violates the rights of the individual.” Thomas Jefferson

And you oppose that?

The taking up of arms against the rule of law is no longer acceptable. You take up the courts and the vote. If you decide to take up arms in the face of the rule of law then you are a criminal and will be dealt with as such.

Wrong!
Those who are supposed to maintain the Rule of Law are always prone to corruption, and it is always necessary to clean the slate through violence.
It is not just acceptable, but the absolute responsibility of every single individual in any democratic republic, when it becomes necessary.
And it ALWAYS become necessary eventually.
A corrupt Rule of Law is much worse than no Rule of Law at all.
For example, slavery.
The Civil War killed about 1 million, but was necessary.
Anyone who does not take up arms against a corrupt Rule of Law is the worst criminal of all.
And since the US government lied about WMD in Iraq, murdering over half a million innocent Iraqis, as well as over 5,000 US soldiers, it is pretty hard to defend the current state of the Rule of Law.

 

[Rigby5]

And you have a right to be misguided. If all Hell breaks loose it will be fate, destiny, or more likely the will of God that decides the victor.

Or the rule of law. Either you have the rule of law on your side or you are a criminal and should be dealt as such.

Which "rule of law?"

"On every occasion [of Constitutional interpretation] let us carry ourselves back to the time when the Constitution was adopted, recollect the spirit manifested in the debates, and instead of trying [to force] what meaning may be squeezed out of the text, or invented against it, [instead let us] conform to the probable one in which it was passed."
- Thomas Jefferson, letter to William Johnson, 12 June 1823


"Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are ruined.... The great object is that every man be armed. Everyone who is able might have a gun." - Patrick Henry, Speech to the Virginia Ratifying Convention, June 5, 1778

"If the representatives of the people betray their constituents, there is then no resource left but in the exertion of that original right of self-defense which is paramount to all positive forms of government, and which against the usurpations of the national rulers, may be exerted with infinitely better prospect of success than against those of the rulers of an individual state. In a single state, if the persons intrusted with supreme power become usurpers, the different parcels, subdivisions, or districts of which it consists, having no distinct government in each, can take no regular measures for defense. The citizens must rush tumultuously to arms, without concert, without system, without resource; except in their courage and despair."
- Alexander Hamilton, Federalist No. 28

"For it is a truth, which the experience of ages has attested, that the people are always most in danger when the means of injuring their rights are in the possession of those of whom they entertain the least suspicion."
- Alexander Hamilton, Federalist No. 25, December 21, 1787

"f circumstances should at any time oblige the government to form an army of any magnitude that army can never be formidable to the liberties of the people while there is a large body of citizens, little, if at all, inferior to them in discipline and the use of arms, who stand ready to defend their own rights and those of their fellow-citizens. This appears to me the only substitute that can be devised for a standing army, and the best possible security against it, if it should exist."
- Alexander Hamilton, Federalist No. 28, January 10, 1788

“A militia when properly formed are in fact the people themselves…and include, according to the past and general usuage of the states, all men capable of bearing arms… "To preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of the people always possess arms, and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them."
- Richard Henry Lee, Federal Farmer No. 18, January 25, 1788

"Besides the advantage of being armed, which the Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation, the existence of subordinate governments, to which the people are attached, and by which the militia officers are appointed, forms a barrier against the enterprises of ambition, more insurmountable than any which a simple government of any form can admit of."
- James Madison, Federalist No. 46, January 29, 1788

"...the ultimate authority, wherever the derivative may be found, resides in the people alone..."
- James Madison, Federalist No. 46, January 29, 1788

The Constitution shall never be construed to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms."
- Samuel Adams, Massachusetts Ratifying Convention, 1788

"To disarm the people...s the most effectual way to enslave them."
- George Mason, referencing advice given to the British Parliament by Pennsylvania governor Sir William Keith, The Debates in the Several State Conventions on the Adooption of the Federal Constitution, June 14, 1788

"Arms in the hands of citizens (may) be used at individual discretion...in private self-defense..." -John Adams,

1788 A Defense of the Constitution of the Government of the USA, p.471

"Rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do not add ‘within the limits of the law’ because law is often but the tyrant’s will, and always so when it violates the rights of the individual.” Thomas Jefferson

And you oppose that?

The taking up of arms against the rule of law is no longer acceptable. You take up the courts and the vote. If you decide to take up arms in the face of the rule of law then you are a criminal and will be dealt with as such.

What amendment is that in counselor? You have a president that is trying to rule by way of Executive fiat; you have a United States Supreme Court that is legislating from the bench; Congress will not do their job; socialists on both sides of the political spectrum are trying to merge the police with the military.

There is NO "Rule of Law" as the Constitution has been subverted and ignored. The United States Supreme Court pretends to bestow upon other branches of government powers it is not authorized to do under the Constitution. The Bill of Rights were nullified by an illegally ratified amendment and we instituted a graduated income tax, a plank out of the Communist Manifesto with another illegal amendment.

Government has become dependent on drug money (whether legal or illegal), major corporations are now becoming major lobbyists and there is no individual to regulate as they push their weight around to force American into the throes of a One World Government.

The judicial branch of government has become so corrupt that they think they grant us all of our Rights and no longer even acknowledge the unalienable Rights which are a part of the Declaratory Charter of the Rights of man as Thomas Jefferson called it. They have gone so far as to take the word unalienable out of the legal dictionaries.

You have a president that is so liberal he advocates taking peoples guns and then giving them Due Process later. That is tantamount to raping someone and then asking permission after you're finished. The Liar in Chief proposes to take private land along the border via the eminent domain statutes and not give the private land owners just compensation for what he is taking.

The legislative branch of government, especially the democrats are proposing socialism and the whole lot of them should be arrested and charged with sedition. The number ONE enemy of this NEW WORLD ORDER are the posterity of the founders of this country. State and local governments are helping to eradicate the history of our ancestors by removing all the plaques, monuments, statues, memorials, and flags of our ancestors. They want the pictures of our founders / framers off the currency of America.

The police shoot unarmed people in the back on the streets of America; they ignore the laws that apply to all of us; they make a mockery of the Constitution. And you think I'm supposed to register a firearm, go through a background check, and just go along with this gross miscarriage of justice? You are freaking delusional. You are so delusional and uninformed that you don't know that even the corrupt United States Supreme Court has opined that No one is bound to obey an unconstitutional law. Screw you and your gun control.

You are free to say what you just said. It's still a free country to do that. But if you act on it then it will not be within the law of the land. But you go ahead and keep spouting off. It's your Constitutional Right.

You misstate what the law of the land is.
It is not legislation from Congress.
The only real source of any legal authority at all is the inherent rights of individuals.
The defense of those inherent rights then are borrowed by our representative government, but whenever our government exceeds or violates that delegated authority, they are not the law of the land.
The Declaration of Independence is quite clear in establishing that basic principle, that government is not the source of legal authority, but individual rights are.

 

[Rigby5]

Or the rule of law. Either you have the rule of law on your side or you are a criminal and should be dealt as such.

Which "rule of law?"

"On every occasion [of Constitutional interpretation] let us carry ourselves back to the time when the Constitution was adopted, recollect the spirit manifested in the debates, and instead of trying [to force] what meaning may be squeezed out of the text, or invented against it, [instead let us] conform to the probable one in which it was passed."
- Thomas Jefferson, letter to William Johnson, 12 June 1823


"Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are ruined.... The great object is that every man be armed. Everyone who is able might have a gun." - Patrick Henry, Speech to the Virginia Ratifying Convention, June 5, 1778

"If the representatives of the people betray their constituents, there is then no resource left but in the exertion of that original right of self-defense which is paramount to all positive forms of government, and which against the usurpations of the national rulers, may be exerted with infinitely better prospect of success than against those of the rulers of an individual state. In a single state, if the persons intrusted with supreme power become usurpers, the different parcels, subdivisions, or districts of which it consists, having no distinct government in each, can take no regular measures for defense. The citizens must rush tumultuously to arms, without concert, without system, without resource; except in their courage and despair."
- Alexander Hamilton, Federalist No. 28

"For it is a truth, which the experience of ages has attested, that the people are always most in danger when the means of injuring their rights are in the possession of those of whom they entertain the least suspicion."
- Alexander Hamilton, Federalist No. 25, December 21, 1787

"f circumstances should at any time oblige the government to form an army of any magnitude that army can never be formidable to the liberties of the people while there is a large body of citizens, little, if at all, inferior to them in discipline and the use of arms, who stand ready to defend their own rights and those of their fellow-citizens. This appears to me the only substitute that can be devised for a standing army, and the best possible security against it, if it should exist."
- Alexander Hamilton, Federalist No. 28, January 10, 1788

“A militia when properly formed are in fact the people themselves…and include, according to the past and general usuage of the states, all men capable of bearing arms… "To preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of the people always possess arms, and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them."
- Richard Henry Lee, Federal Farmer No. 18, January 25, 1788

"Besides the advantage of being armed, which the Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation, the existence of subordinate governments, to which the people are attached, and by which the militia officers are appointed, forms a barrier against the enterprises of ambition, more insurmountable than any which a simple government of any form can admit of."
- James Madison, Federalist No. 46, January 29, 1788

"...the ultimate authority, wherever the derivative may be found, resides in the people alone..."
- James Madison, Federalist No. 46, January 29, 1788

The Constitution shall never be construed to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms."
- Samuel Adams, Massachusetts Ratifying Convention, 1788

"To disarm the people...s the most effectual way to enslave them."
- George Mason, referencing advice given to the British Parliament by Pennsylvania governor Sir William Keith, The Debates in the Several State Conventions on the Adooption of the Federal Constitution, June 14, 1788

"Arms in the hands of citizens (may) be used at individual discretion...in private self-defense..." -John Adams,

1788 A Defense of the Constitution of the Government of the USA, p.471

"Rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do not add ‘within the limits of the law’ because law is often but the tyrant’s will, and always so when it violates the rights of the individual.” Thomas Jefferson

And you oppose that?

The taking up of arms against the rule of law is no longer acceptable. You take up the courts and the vote. If you decide to take up arms in the face of the rule of law then you are a criminal and will be dealt with as such.

What amendment is that in counselor? You have a president that is trying to rule by way of Executive fiat; you have a United States Supreme Court that is legislating from the bench; Congress will not do their job; socialists on both sides of the political spectrum are trying to merge the police with the military.

There is NO "Rule of Law" as the Constitution has been subverted and ignored. The United States Supreme Court pretends to bestow upon other branches of government powers it is not authorized to do under the Constitution. The Bill of Rights were nullified by an illegally ratified amendment and we instituted a graduated income tax, a plank out of the Communist Manifesto with another illegal amendment.

Government has become dependent on drug money (whether legal or illegal), major corporations are now becoming major lobbyists and there is no individual to regulate as they push their weight around to force American into the throes of a One World Government.

The judicial branch of government has become so corrupt that they think they grant us all of our Rights and no longer even acknowledge the unalienable Rights which are a part of the Declaratory Charter of the Rights of man as Thomas Jefferson called it. They have gone so far as to take the word unalienable out of the legal dictionaries.

You have a president that is so liberal he advocates taking peoples guns and then giving them Due Process later. That is tantamount to raping someone and then asking permission after you're finished. The Liar in Chief proposes to take private land along the border via the eminent domain statutes and not give the private land owners just compensation for what he is taking.

The legislative branch of government, especially the democrats are proposing socialism and the whole lot of them should be arrested and charged with sedition. The number ONE enemy of this NEW WORLD ORDER are the posterity of the founders of this country. State and local governments are helping to eradicate the history of our ancestors by removing all the plaques, monuments, statues, memorials, and flags of our ancestors. They want the pictures of our founders / framers off the currency of America.

The police shoot unarmed people in the back on the streets of America; they ignore the laws that apply to all of us; they make a mockery of the Constitution. And you think I'm supposed to register a firearm, go through a background check, and just go along with this gross miscarriage of justice? You are freaking delusional. You are so delusional and uninformed that you don't know that even the corrupt United States Supreme Court has opined that No one is bound to obey an unconstitutional law. Screw you and your gun control.

You are free to say what you just said. It's still a free country to do that. But if you act on it then it will not be within the law of the land. But you go ahead and keep spouting off. It's your Constitutional Right.

You act as if the truth eluded you. As you know, I duly note your veiled threat. Let me translate in the English vernacular - talk your shit all day long. When the left gets back in charge, your ass is history. I understand you very well.

Call them Democrats, not Leftists.
No Leftist would ever support any sort of gun control at all.

Traditionally Leftist has always been for maximizing individual liberties, and was always trying to get arms to Blacks, labor organizers, immigrants and others who were being abused by the wealthy elite.
Something happened about 20 years ago to change the Democratic party from being Leftist, into being owned by the wealthy elite.
The evidence includes things like the repeal of Glass-Steagall, 3 strikes, the War on Drugs, foreign wars of aggression, defense profiteering, gun control, etc.
No Leftist would ever support any of these things.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Or the rule of law. Either you have the rule of law on your side or you are a criminal and should be dealt as such.

Which "rule of law?"

"On every occasion [of Constitutional interpretation] let us carry ourselves back to the time when the Constitution was adopted, recollect the spirit manifested in the debates, and instead of trying [to force] what meaning may be squeezed out of the text, or invented against it, [instead let us] conform to the probable one in which it was passed."
- Thomas Jefferson, letter to William Johnson, 12 June 1823


"Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are ruined.... The great object is that every man be armed. Everyone who is able might have a gun." - Patrick Henry, Speech to the Virginia Ratifying Convention, June 5, 1778

"If the representatives of the people betray their constituents, there is then no resource left but in the exertion of that original right of self-defense which is paramount to all positive forms of government, and which against the usurpations of the national rulers, may be exerted with infinitely better prospect of success than against those of the rulers of an individual state. In a single state, if the persons intrusted with supreme power become usurpers, the different parcels, subdivisions, or districts of which it consists, having no distinct government in each, can take no regular measures for defense. The citizens must rush tumultuously to arms, without concert, without system, without resource; except in their courage and despair."
- Alexander Hamilton, Federalist No. 28

"For it is a truth, which the experience of ages has attested, that the people are always most in danger when the means of injuring their rights are in the possession of those of whom they entertain the least suspicion."
- Alexander Hamilton, Federalist No. 25, December 21, 1787

"f circumstances should at any time oblige the government to form an army of any magnitude that army can never be formidable to the liberties of the people while there is a large body of citizens, little, if at all, inferior to them in discipline and the use of arms, who stand ready to defend their own rights and those of their fellow-citizens. This appears to me the only substitute that can be devised for a standing army, and the best possible security against it, if it should exist."
- Alexander Hamilton, Federalist No. 28, January 10, 1788

“A militia when properly formed are in fact the people themselves…and include, according to the past and general usuage of the states, all men capable of bearing arms… "To preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of the people always possess arms, and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them."
- Richard Henry Lee, Federal Farmer No. 18, January 25, 1788

"Besides the advantage of being armed, which the Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation, the existence of subordinate governments, to which the people are attached, and by which the militia officers are appointed, forms a barrier against the enterprises of ambition, more insurmountable than any which a simple government of any form can admit of."
- James Madison, Federalist No. 46, January 29, 1788

"...the ultimate authority, wherever the derivative may be found, resides in the people alone..."
- James Madison, Federalist No. 46, January 29, 1788

The Constitution shall never be construed to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms."
- Samuel Adams, Massachusetts Ratifying Convention, 1788

"To disarm the people...s the most effectual way to enslave them."
- George Mason, referencing advice given to the British Parliament by Pennsylvania governor Sir William Keith, The Debates in the Several State Conventions on the Adooption of the Federal Constitution, June 14, 1788

"Arms in the hands of citizens (may) be used at individual discretion...in private self-defense..." -John Adams,

1788 A Defense of the Constitution of the Government of the USA, p.471

"Rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do not add ‘within the limits of the law’ because law is often but the tyrant’s will, and always so when it violates the rights of the individual.” Thomas Jefferson

And you oppose that?

The taking up of arms against the rule of law is no longer acceptable. You take up the courts and the vote. If you decide to take up arms in the face of the rule of law then you are a criminal and will be dealt with as such.

What amendment is that in counselor? You have a president that is trying to rule by way of Executive fiat; you have a United States Supreme Court that is legislating from the bench; Congress will not do their job; socialists on both sides of the political spectrum are trying to merge the police with the military.

There is NO "Rule of Law" as the Constitution has been subverted and ignored. The United States Supreme Court pretends to bestow upon other branches of government powers it is not authorized to do under the Constitution. The Bill of Rights were nullified by an illegally ratified amendment and we instituted a graduated income tax, a plank out of the Communist Manifesto with another illegal amendment.

Government has become dependent on drug money (whether legal or illegal), major corporations are now becoming major lobbyists and there is no individual to regulate as they push their weight around to force American into the throes of a One World Government.

The judicial branch of government has become so corrupt that they think they grant us all of our Rights and no longer even acknowledge the unalienable Rights which are a part of the Declaratory Charter of the Rights of man as Thomas Jefferson called it. They have gone so far as to take the word unalienable out of the legal dictionaries.

You have a president that is so liberal he advocates taking peoples guns and then giving them Due Process later. That is tantamount to raping someone and then asking permission after you're finished. The Liar in Chief proposes to take private land along the border via the eminent domain statutes and not give the private land owners just compensation for what he is taking.

The legislative branch of government, especially the democrats are proposing socialism and the whole lot of them should be arrested and charged with sedition. The number ONE enemy of this NEW WORLD ORDER are the posterity of the founders of this country. State and local governments are helping to eradicate the history of our ancestors by removing all the plaques, monuments, statues, memorials, and flags of our ancestors. They want the pictures of our founders / framers off the currency of America.

The police shoot unarmed people in the back on the streets of America; they ignore the laws that apply to all of us; they make a mockery of the Constitution. And you think I'm supposed to register a firearm, go through a background check, and just go along with this gross miscarriage of justice? You are freaking delusional. You are so delusional and uninformed that you don't know that even the corrupt United States Supreme Court has opined that No one is bound to obey an unconstitutional law. Screw you and your gun control.

You are free to say what you just said. It's still a free country to do that. But if you act on it then it will not be within the law of the land. But you go ahead and keep spouting off. It's your Constitutional Right.

You act as if the truth eluded you. As you know, I duly note your veiled threat. Let me translate in the English vernacular - talk your shit all day long. When the left gets back in charge, your ass is history. I understand you very well.

NO matter. The sun will still come up in the morning and set at the end of the day. Most of our lives won't change one bit. You make it sound like the world will be coming to an end. If that is the case, maybe that particular part of the world needs to come to an end so that the rest of us can grab a quick nap. It would be good to get back to a little more stability. The 24/7 Reality Game Show is tiring.

 

[Porter Rockwell]

Which "rule of law?"

"On every occasion [of Constitutional interpretation] let us carry ourselves back to the time when the Constitution was adopted, recollect the spirit manifested in the debates, and instead of trying [to force] what meaning may be squeezed out of the text, or invented against it, [instead let us] conform to the probable one in which it was passed."
- Thomas Jefferson, letter to William Johnson, 12 June 1823


"Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are ruined.... The great object is that every man be armed. Everyone who is able might have a gun." - Patrick Henry, Speech to the Virginia Ratifying Convention, June 5, 1778

"If the representatives of the people betray their constituents, there is then no resource left but in the exertion of that original right of self-defense which is paramount to all positive forms of government, and which against the usurpations of the national rulers, may be exerted with infinitely better prospect of success than against those of the rulers of an individual state. In a single state, if the persons intrusted with supreme power become usurpers, the different parcels, subdivisions, or districts of which it consists, having no distinct government in each, can take no regular measures for defense. The citizens must rush tumultuously to arms, without concert, without system, without resource; except in their courage and despair."
- Alexander Hamilton, Federalist No. 28

"For it is a truth, which the experience of ages has attested, that the people are always most in danger when the means of injuring their rights are in the possession of those of whom they entertain the least suspicion."
- Alexander Hamilton, Federalist No. 25, December 21, 1787

"f circumstances should at any time oblige the government to form an army of any magnitude that army can never be formidable to the liberties of the people while there is a large body of citizens, little, if at all, inferior to them in discipline and the use of arms, who stand ready to defend their own rights and those of their fellow-citizens. This appears to me the only substitute that can be devised for a standing army, and the best possible security against it, if it should exist."
- Alexander Hamilton, Federalist No. 28, January 10, 1788

“A militia when properly formed are in fact the people themselves…and include, according to the past and general usuage of the states, all men capable of bearing arms… "To preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of the people always possess arms, and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them."
- Richard Henry Lee, Federal Farmer No. 18, January 25, 1788

"Besides the advantage of being armed, which the Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation, the existence of subordinate governments, to which the people are attached, and by which the militia officers are appointed, forms a barrier against the enterprises of ambition, more insurmountable than any which a simple government of any form can admit of."
- James Madison, Federalist No. 46, January 29, 1788

"...the ultimate authority, wherever the derivative may be found, resides in the people alone..."
- James Madison, Federalist No. 46, January 29, 1788

The Constitution shall never be construed to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms."
- Samuel Adams, Massachusetts Ratifying Convention, 1788

"To disarm the people...s the most effectual way to enslave them."
- George Mason, referencing advice given to the British Parliament by Pennsylvania governor Sir William Keith, The Debates in the Several State Conventions on the Adooption of the Federal Constitution, June 14, 1788

"Arms in the hands of citizens (may) be used at individual discretion...in private self-defense..." -John Adams,

1788 A Defense of the Constitution of the Government of the USA, p.471

"Rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do not add ‘within the limits of the law’ because law is often but the tyrant’s will, and always so when it violates the rights of the individual.” Thomas Jefferson

And you oppose that?

The taking up of arms against the rule of law is no longer acceptable. You take up the courts and the vote. If you decide to take up arms in the face of the rule of law then you are a criminal and will be dealt with as such.

What amendment is that in counselor? You have a president that is trying to rule by way of Executive fiat; you have a United States Supreme Court that is legislating from the bench; Congress will not do their job; socialists on both sides of the political spectrum are trying to merge the police with the military.

There is NO "Rule of Law" as the Constitution has been subverted and ignored. The United States Supreme Court pretends to bestow upon other branches of government powers it is not authorized to do under the Constitution. The Bill of Rights were nullified by an illegally ratified amendment and we instituted a graduated income tax, a plank out of the Communist Manifesto with another illegal amendment.

Government has become dependent on drug money (whether legal or illegal), major corporations are now becoming major lobbyists and there is no individual to regulate as they push their weight around to force American into the throes of a One World Government.

The judicial branch of government has become so corrupt that they think they grant us all of our Rights and no longer even acknowledge the unalienable Rights which are a part of the Declaratory Charter of the Rights of man as Thomas Jefferson called it. They have gone so far as to take the word unalienable out of the legal dictionaries.

You have a president that is so liberal he advocates taking peoples guns and then giving them Due Process later. That is tantamount to raping someone and then asking permission after you're finished. The Liar in Chief proposes to take private land along the border via the eminent domain statutes and not give the private land owners just compensation for what he is taking.

The legislative branch of government, especially the democrats are proposing socialism and the whole lot of them should be arrested and charged with sedition. The number ONE enemy of this NEW WORLD ORDER are the posterity of the founders of this country. State and local governments are helping to eradicate the history of our ancestors by removing all the plaques, monuments, statues, memorials, and flags of our ancestors. They want the pictures of our founders / framers off the currency of America.

The police shoot unarmed people in the back on the streets of America; they ignore the laws that apply to all of us; they make a mockery of the Constitution. And you think I'm supposed to register a firearm, go through a background check, and just go along with this gross miscarriage of justice? You are freaking delusional. You are so delusional and uninformed that you don't know that even the corrupt United States Supreme Court has opined that No one is bound to obey an unconstitutional law. Screw you and your gun control.

You are free to say what you just said. It's still a free country to do that. But if you act on it then it will not be within the law of the land. But you go ahead and keep spouting off. It's your Constitutional Right.

You act as if the truth eluded you. As you know, I duly note your veiled threat. Let me translate in the English vernacular - talk your shit all day long. When the left gets back in charge, your ass is history. I understand you very well.

NO matter. The sun will still come up in the morning and set at the end of the day. Most of our lives won't change one bit. You make it sound like the world will be coming to an end. If that is the case, maybe that particular part of the world needs to come to an end so that the rest of us can grab a quick nap. It would be good to get back to a little more stability. The 24/7 Reality Game Show is tiring.

Nobody forces you to post here.

The America as envisioned by our forefathers will be gone within the next 8 years. Historically, there is nothing to suggest that the changes will be for the better. Factually, history shows us that once great nations fall, it is always back to darkness.

But there is a remnant that survives and restarts the cycle of history. So, like the good sheeple do, you should avoid serious conversations and try not to bull shit your way through threads.

 

[Porter Rockwell]

Which "rule of law?"

"On every occasion [of Constitutional interpretation] let us carry ourselves back to the time when the Constitution was adopted, recollect the spirit manifested in the debates, and instead of trying [to force] what meaning may be squeezed out of the text, or invented against it, [instead let us] conform to the probable one in which it was passed."
- Thomas Jefferson, letter to William Johnson, 12 June 1823


"Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are ruined.... The great object is that every man be armed. Everyone who is able might have a gun." - Patrick Henry, Speech to the Virginia Ratifying Convention, June 5, 1778

"If the representatives of the people betray their constituents, there is then no resource left but in the exertion of that original right of self-defense which is paramount to all positive forms of government, and which against the usurpations of the national rulers, may be exerted with infinitely better prospect of success than against those of the rulers of an individual state. In a single state, if the persons intrusted with supreme power become usurpers, the different parcels, subdivisions, or districts of which it consists, having no distinct government in each, can take no regular measures for defense. The citizens must rush tumultuously to arms, without concert, without system, without resource; except in their courage and despair."
- Alexander Hamilton, Federalist No. 28

"For it is a truth, which the experience of ages has attested, that the people are always most in danger when the means of injuring their rights are in the possession of those of whom they entertain the least suspicion."
- Alexander Hamilton, Federalist No. 25, December 21, 1787

"f circumstances should at any time oblige the government to form an army of any magnitude that army can never be formidable to the liberties of the people while there is a large body of citizens, little, if at all, inferior to them in discipline and the use of arms, who stand ready to defend their own rights and those of their fellow-citizens. This appears to me the only substitute that can be devised for a standing army, and the best possible security against it, if it should exist."
- Alexander Hamilton, Federalist No. 28, January 10, 1788

“A militia when properly formed are in fact the people themselves…and include, according to the past and general usuage of the states, all men capable of bearing arms… "To preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of the people always possess arms, and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them."
- Richard Henry Lee, Federal Farmer No. 18, January 25, 1788

"Besides the advantage of being armed, which the Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation, the existence of subordinate governments, to which the people are attached, and by which the militia officers are appointed, forms a barrier against the enterprises of ambition, more insurmountable than any which a simple government of any form can admit of."
- James Madison, Federalist No. 46, January 29, 1788

"...the ultimate authority, wherever the derivative may be found, resides in the people alone..."
- James Madison, Federalist No. 46, January 29, 1788

The Constitution shall never be construed to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms."
- Samuel Adams, Massachusetts Ratifying Convention, 1788

"To disarm the people...s the most effectual way to enslave them."
- George Mason, referencing advice given to the British Parliament by Pennsylvania governor Sir William Keith, The Debates in the Several State Conventions on the Adooption of the Federal Constitution, June 14, 1788

"Arms in the hands of citizens (may) be used at individual discretion...in private self-defense..." -John Adams,

1788 A Defense of the Constitution of the Government of the USA, p.471

"Rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do not add ‘within the limits of the law’ because law is often but the tyrant’s will, and always so when it violates the rights of the individual.” Thomas Jefferson

And you oppose that?

The taking up of arms against the rule of law is no longer acceptable. You take up the courts and the vote. If you decide to take up arms in the face of the rule of law then you are a criminal and will be dealt with as such.

What amendment is that in counselor? You have a president that is trying to rule by way of Executive fiat; you have a United States Supreme Court that is legislating from the bench; Congress will not do their job; socialists on both sides of the political spectrum are trying to merge the police with the military.

There is NO "Rule of Law" as the Constitution has been subverted and ignored. The United States Supreme Court pretends to bestow upon other branches of government powers it is not authorized to do under the Constitution. The Bill of Rights were nullified by an illegally ratified amendment and we instituted a graduated income tax, a plank out of the Communist Manifesto with another illegal amendment.

Government has become dependent on drug money (whether legal or illegal), major corporations are now becoming major lobbyists and there is no individual to regulate as they push their weight around to force American into the throes of a One World Government.

The judicial branch of government has become so corrupt that they think they grant us all of our Rights and no longer even acknowledge the unalienable Rights which are a part of the Declaratory Charter of the Rights of man as Thomas Jefferson called it. They have gone so far as to take the word unalienable out of the legal dictionaries.

You have a president that is so liberal he advocates taking peoples guns and then giving them Due Process later. That is tantamount to raping someone and then asking permission after you're finished. The Liar in Chief proposes to take private land along the border via the eminent domain statutes and not give the private land owners just compensation for what he is taking.

The legislative branch of government, especially the democrats are proposing socialism and the whole lot of them should be arrested and charged with sedition. The number ONE enemy of this NEW WORLD ORDER are the posterity of the founders of this country. State and local governments are helping to eradicate the history of our ancestors by removing all the plaques, monuments, statues, memorials, and flags of our ancestors. They want the pictures of our founders / framers off the currency of America.

The police shoot unarmed people in the back on the streets of America; they ignore the laws that apply to all of us; they make a mockery of the Constitution. And you think I'm supposed to register a firearm, go through a background check, and just go along with this gross miscarriage of justice? You are freaking delusional. You are so delusional and uninformed that you don't know that even the corrupt United States Supreme Court has opined that No one is bound to obey an unconstitutional law. Screw you and your gun control.

You are free to say what you just said. It's still a free country to do that. But if you act on it then it will not be within the law of the land. But you go ahead and keep spouting off. It's your Constitutional Right.

You act as if the truth eluded you. As you know, I duly note your veiled threat. Let me translate in the English vernacular - talk your shit all day long. When the left gets back in charge, your ass is history. I understand you very well.

Call them Democrats, not Leftists.
No Leftist would ever support any sort of gun control at all.

Traditionally Leftist has always been for maximizing individual liberties, and was always trying to get arms to Blacks, labor organizers, immigrants and others who were being abused by the wealthy elite.
Something happened about 20 years ago to change the Democratic party from being Leftist, into being owned by the wealthy elite.
The evidence includes things like the repeal of Glass-Steagall, 3 strikes, the War on Drugs, foreign wars of aggression, defense profiteering, gun control, etc.
No Leftist would ever support any of these things.

Nice to know. I was on the right I thought - back in the late 1970s as a kid. The Republicans said they were for less government, fewer taxes, and all in for our Rights. The right got flipped and now it appears that both sides are being used as useful idiots.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

The taking up of arms against the rule of law is no longer acceptable. You take up the courts and the vote. If you decide to take up arms in the face of the rule of law then you are a criminal and will be dealt with as such.

What amendment is that in counselor? You have a president that is trying to rule by way of Executive fiat; you have a United States Supreme Court that is legislating from the bench; Congress will not do their job; socialists on both sides of the political spectrum are trying to merge the police with the military.

There is NO "Rule of Law" as the Constitution has been subverted and ignored. The United States Supreme Court pretends to bestow upon other branches of government powers it is not authorized to do under the Constitution. The Bill of Rights were nullified by an illegally ratified amendment and we instituted a graduated income tax, a plank out of the Communist Manifesto with another illegal amendment.

Government has become dependent on drug money (whether legal or illegal), major corporations are now becoming major lobbyists and there is no individual to regulate as they push their weight around to force American into the throes of a One World Government.

The judicial branch of government has become so corrupt that they think they grant us all of our Rights and no longer even acknowledge the unalienable Rights which are a part of the Declaratory Charter of the Rights of man as Thomas Jefferson called it. They have gone so far as to take the word unalienable out of the legal dictionaries.

You have a president that is so liberal he advocates taking peoples guns and then giving them Due Process later. That is tantamount to raping someone and then asking permission after you're finished. The Liar in Chief proposes to take private land along the border via the eminent domain statutes and not give the private land owners just compensation for what he is taking.

The legislative branch of government, especially the democrats are proposing socialism and the whole lot of them should be arrested and charged with sedition. The number ONE enemy of this NEW WORLD ORDER are the posterity of the founders of this country. State and local governments are helping to eradicate the history of our ancestors by removing all the plaques, monuments, statues, memorials, and flags of our ancestors. They want the pictures of our founders / framers off the currency of America.

The police shoot unarmed people in the back on the streets of America; they ignore the laws that apply to all of us; they make a mockery of the Constitution. And you think I'm supposed to register a firearm, go through a background check, and just go along with this gross miscarriage of justice? You are freaking delusional. You are so delusional and uninformed that you don't know that even the corrupt United States Supreme Court has opined that No one is bound to obey an unconstitutional law. Screw you and your gun control.

You are free to say what you just said. It's still a free country to do that. But if you act on it then it will not be within the law of the land. But you go ahead and keep spouting off. It's your Constitutional Right.

You act as if the truth eluded you. As you know, I duly note your veiled threat. Let me translate in the English vernacular - talk your shit all day long. When the left gets back in charge, your ass is history. I understand you very well.

NO matter. The sun will still come up in the morning and set at the end of the day. Most of our lives won't change one bit. You make it sound like the world will be coming to an end. If that is the case, maybe that particular part of the world needs to come to an end so that the rest of us can grab a quick nap. It would be good to get back to a little more stability. The 24/7 Reality Game Show is tiring.

Nobody forces you to post here.

The America as envisioned by our forefathers will be gone within the next 8 years. Historically, there is nothing to suggest that the changes will be for the better. Factually, history shows us that once great nations fall, it is always back to darkness.

But there is a remnant that survives and restarts the cycle of history. So, like the good sheeple do, you should avoid serious conversations and try not to bull shit your way through threads.

Avoid? Not in my wheelhouse. But I see the need of a decent Statesman to be voted back in and the Huckster retired.

 

[hunarcy]

Geez, why watch propaganda? Whether you buy a firearm from a dealer at his store or at his table at a gun show, it still has to go through a background check.

Mmmmm not so much.

You'll have to forgive me laughing at you. That guy was NOT a dealer. He could have sold it out of his garage or out of his trunk on the street. Not a "gun show" loophole. Sorry

Meanwhile back in reality, the guy selling a rifle no questions asked was a dealer at a gun show clearly demonstrating the very real gun show loophole. Say hi to Mr Roark on your Fantasy Island.

You are not usually so deliberately obtuse. Honestly, I'm embarrassed for you. Please follow the link below so you might discuss things rationally in the future.

Private Gun Sale Laws by State - FindLaw

GEEZ, why read propaganda? You’ll have to forgive me laughing at you….at your denying something the video shows happening.

You probably think there were explosives in the twin towers, no arabs on the planes, and a missile hit the Pentagon too, right?

You think Findlaw is propaganda? You think having a table at a gun show makes you a dealer?

You're ignorance is too grand for me to take you seriously. And as for your conspiracy theory fantasy about the Twin Towers, that's just pathetic. You have nothing further to offer to this discussion.

 

[candycorn]

Mmmmm not so much.

You'll have to forgive me laughing at you. That guy was NOT a dealer. He could have sold it out of his garage or out of his trunk on the street. Not a "gun show" loophole. Sorry

Meanwhile back in reality, the guy selling a rifle no questions asked was a dealer at a gun show clearly demonstrating the very real gun show loophole. Say hi to Mr Roark on your Fantasy Island.

You are not usually so deliberately obtuse. Honestly, I'm embarrassed for you. Please follow the link below so you might discuss things rationally in the future.

Private Gun Sale Laws by State - FindLaw

GEEZ, why read propaganda? You’ll have to forgive me laughing at you….at your denying something the video shows happening.

You probably think there were explosives in the twin towers, no arabs on the planes, and a missile hit the Pentagon too, right?

You think Findlaw is propaganda? You think having a table at a gun show makes you a dealer?

You're ignorance is too grand for me to take you seriously. And as for your conspiracy theory fantasy about the Twin Towers, that's just pathetic. You have nothing further to offer to this discussion.

Having a table at a gun show does make you a dealer. No difference at all.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

At least you are advocating passive resistance. Unlike some of your real fruitcake buddies. When the Universal Background checks and Red Flag Laws do happen (and we both know they will) at least I would be willing to work with you to keep it from going much deeper than that. But to those that advocate direct violence, I would be one of the first to help round them up under the Red Flag Laws.

I will not obey unconstitutional laws. If an attempt is made to jail people and / or take their guns for not complying with unconstitutional laws, I'd support a civilian militia response.

How do you think America came into being? Do you really think that our forefathers fought and died for Liberty so that we could play the tyrant's fool?

Then that is your choice. And mine is to be armed on the other side to stop you. You see, it works both ways. You have the right to die for your convictions no matter how misplaced they might be.

And you have a right to be misguided. If all Hell breaks loose it will be fate, destiny, or more likely the will of God that decides the victor.

Or the rule of law. Either you have the rule of law on your side or you are a criminal and should be dealt as such.

Which "rule of law?"

"On every occasion [of Constitutional interpretation] let us carry ourselves back to the time when the Constitution was adopted, recollect the spirit manifested in the debates, and instead of trying [to force] what meaning may be squeezed out of the text, or invented against it, [instead let us] conform to the probable one in which it was passed."
- Thomas Jefferson, letter to William Johnson, 12 June 1823


"Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are ruined.... The great object is that every man be armed. Everyone who is able might have a gun." - Patrick Henry, Speech to the Virginia Ratifying Convention, June 5, 1778

"If the representatives of the people betray their constituents, there is then no resource left but in the exertion of that original right of self-defense which is paramount to all positive forms of government, and which against the usurpations of the national rulers, may be exerted with infinitely better prospect of success than against those of the rulers of an individual state. In a single state, if the persons intrusted with supreme power become usurpers, the different parcels, subdivisions, or districts of which it consists, having no distinct government in each, can take no regular measures for defense. The citizens must rush tumultuously to arms, without concert, without system, without resource; except in their courage and despair."
- Alexander Hamilton, Federalist No. 28

"For it is a truth, which the experience of ages has attested, that the people are always most in danger when the means of injuring their rights are in the possession of those of whom they entertain the least suspicion."
- Alexander Hamilton, Federalist No. 25, December 21, 1787

"f circumstances should at any time oblige the government to form an army of any magnitude that army can never be formidable to the liberties of the people while there is a large body of citizens, little, if at all, inferior to them in discipline and the use of arms, who stand ready to defend their own rights and those of their fellow-citizens. This appears to me the only substitute that can be devised for a standing army, and the best possible security against it, if it should exist."
- Alexander Hamilton, Federalist No. 28, January 10, 1788

“A militia when properly formed are in fact the people themselves…and include, according to the past and general usuage of the states, all men capable of bearing arms… "To preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of the people always possess arms, and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them."
- Richard Henry Lee, Federal Farmer No. 18, January 25, 1788

"Besides the advantage of being armed, which the Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation, the existence of subordinate governments, to which the people are attached, and by which the militia officers are appointed, forms a barrier against the enterprises of ambition, more insurmountable than any which a simple government of any form can admit of."
- James Madison, Federalist No. 46, January 29, 1788

"...the ultimate authority, wherever the derivative may be found, resides in the people alone..."
- James Madison, Federalist No. 46, January 29, 1788

The Constitution shall never be construed to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms."
- Samuel Adams, Massachusetts Ratifying Convention, 1788

"To disarm the people...s the most effectual way to enslave them."
- George Mason, referencing advice given to the British Parliament by Pennsylvania governor Sir William Keith, The Debates in the Several State Conventions on the Adooption of the Federal Constitution, June 14, 1788

"Arms in the hands of citizens (may) be used at individual discretion...in private self-defense..." -John Adams,

1788 A Defense of the Constitution of the Government of the USA, p.471

"Rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do not add ‘within the limits of the law’ because law is often but the tyrant’s will, and always so when it violates the rights of the individual.” Thomas Jefferson

And you oppose that?

That should be required reading for all Americans.

.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Having a table at a gun show does make you a dealer

As usual, you are ignorant of the law.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

You'll have to forgive me laughing at you. That guy was NOT a dealer. He could have sold it out of his garage or out of his trunk on the street. Not a "gun show" loophole. Sorry

Meanwhile back in reality, the guy selling a rifle no questions asked was a dealer at a gun show clearly demonstrating the very real gun show loophole. Say hi to Mr Roark on your Fantasy Island.

You are not usually so deliberately obtuse. Honestly, I'm embarrassed for you. Please follow the link below so you might discuss things rationally in the future.

Private Gun Sale Laws by State - FindLaw

GEEZ, why read propaganda? You’ll have to forgive me laughing at you….at your denying something the video shows happening.

You probably think there were explosives in the twin towers, no arabs on the planes, and a missile hit the Pentagon too, right?

You think Findlaw is propaganda? You think having a table at a gun show makes you a dealer?

You're ignorance is too grand for me to take you seriously. And as for your conspiracy theory fantasy about the Twin Towers, that's just pathetic. You have nothing further to offer to this discussion.

Having a table at a gun show does make you a dealer. No difference at all.

A trained monkey above the age of 21 can have a table at a gun show without a FFL license. In order to be a Dealer, you must have a FFL License. Otherwise, you are nothing but a trained monkey with a table selling guns at a gun show.

 

[candycorn]

Having a table at a gun show does make you a dealer

As usual, you are ignorant of the law.

As usual, reality differs wildly from the gun nut’s tall tales

 

[candycorn]

Meanwhile back in reality, the guy selling a rifle no questions asked was a dealer at a gun show clearly demonstrating the very real gun show loophole. Say hi to Mr Roark on your Fantasy Island.

You are not usually so deliberately obtuse. Honestly, I'm embarrassed for you. Please follow the link below so you might discuss things rationally in the future.

Private Gun Sale Laws by State - FindLaw

GEEZ, why read propaganda? You’ll have to forgive me laughing at you….at your denying something the video shows happening.

You probably think there were explosives in the twin towers, no arabs on the planes, and a missile hit the Pentagon too, right?

You think Findlaw is propaganda? You think having a table at a gun show makes you a dealer?

You're ignorance is too grand for me to take you seriously. And as for your conspiracy theory fantasy about the Twin Towers, that's just pathetic. You have nothing further to offer to this discussion.

Having a table at a gun show does make you a dealer. No difference at all.

A trained monkey above the age of 21 can have a table at a gun show without a FFL license. In order to be a Dealer, you must have a FFL License. Otherwise, you are nothing but a trained monkey with a table selling guns at a gun show.

Aka a gun dealer