Universal background checks... really?

[candycorn]

Your argument reminds me of this time when they lowered the speed limit on a road back when I lived in Houston. The cars on the road miraculously went slower because it was the law? Did some people still speed? Yes. Did most? No.

If you pass a law stating that you have to go over to the courthouse or county tax assessor’s office or justice of the peace’s office or the local firearms dealer who is certified to perform the transaction….people will do it. Will some still sell their weapon no questions asked to any one with enough money regardless of their criminal intent…sure.

It is strange that every gun nut on this message board tells us how law abiding gun owners are….yet if you suggest there may be enhanced background checks coming up….the law abiding gun owners will turn into a lawless mob. Which confirms the worst suspicions some have about gun nuts.

Take my word on it I will be a f****** criminal I will create guns and sell them to anybody that wants them

I have no doubt. So much for you ever being a law enforcement officer....it was clearly a lie from the get go

LOL So much for your opinion liar. Cops can be the biggest crocks out their. As a matter of fact I busted one for taking crack from kids and not charging them and resale it. When your government makes honest people criminals nothing really matters after that.

You’re an example...if you were a cop...which you clearly not

Go **** yourself.
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Wow…you pasted someone else’s certification and (if it was yours) are vowing to contradict the basis of your receiving said certification. Either you’re a complete phony or a complete phony with zero scruples. I’m betting the latter.

PS: Go **** yourself.

 

[candycorn]

Every developed nation has people withmental health problems, violent video games and movies, depressed kids.

Only the US has the 2nd Amendment and a PAC dedicated to eliminating any restrictions on buying firearms.

So we have weekly mass shootings

Lol
So, Blame these guys not the firearms...

If they couldn’t easily access firearms, most of their victims would still be alive.

Aren't you just precious. IF people OBEYED the law we wouldn't NEED more laws. TeQuan from the hood doesn't care how many laws you pass. Nether does meth addict peter frm the trailer park. New laws serve ONE purpose and that's to make "feel" better.

Pure shit.

If there was a law that you couldn’t have weapons in the house with someone who was diagnosed with mental illness, Adam Lanza wouldn’t have had access to the arsenal he used to mow down 26 people.

In one sense you’re right. Those 26 families would feel better about right now

So your answer is to confiscate firearms from law-abiding people... lol

No. My answer is to make them store their guns outside of their residence. Thus creating a market at the local gun shop, firing range, public storage place, etc… for weapons storage. With regulations in place to make the charge either nominal or free with a healthy waiver system. Lets say that the diagnosis comes down in January 2020 that your kid is off his rocker. You put your guns into storage. By June of 2020, the medication records show that he’s taking his meds, there are no brushes with the law, etc… You can apply for the waiver. Something along those lines.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Take my word on it I will be a f****** criminal I will create guns and sell them to anybody that wants them

I have no doubt. So much for you ever being a law enforcement officer....it was clearly a lie from the get go

LOL So much for your opinion liar. Cops can be the biggest crocks out their. As a matter of fact I busted one for taking crack from kids and not charging them and resale it. When your government makes honest people criminals nothing really matters after that.

You’re an example...if you were a cop...which you clearly not

Go **** yourself.
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Wow…you pasted someone else’s certification and (if it was yours) are vowing to contradict the basis of your receiving said certification. Either you’re a complete phony or a complete phony with zero scruples. I’m betting the latter.

PS: Go **** yourself.

Here you go I'll give you one more

 

[Porter Rockwell]

Every developed nation has people withmental health problems, violent video games and movies, depressed kids.

Only the US has the 2nd Amendment and a PAC dedicated to eliminating any restrictions on buying firearms.

So we have weekly mass shootings

Lol
So, Blame these guys not the firearms...

If they couldn’t easily access firearms, most of their victims would still be alive.

Aren't you just precious. IF people OBEYED the law we wouldn't NEED more laws. TeQuan from the hood doesn't care how many laws you pass. Nether does meth addict peter frm the trailer park. New laws serve ONE purpose and that's to make "feel" better.

Pure shit.

If there was a law that you couldn’t have weapons in the house with someone who was diagnosed with mental illness, Adam Lanza wouldn’t have had access to the arsenal he used to mow down 26 people.

In one sense you’re right. Those 26 families would feel better about right now

If Adam Lanza had been dealt with in the proper manner, at an early age, he may not have been diagnosed with a "mental disease." Lanza's basic disorder began when he was very young and our screwed up society thought that drugging him as a FIRST option was a good idea.

Turns out Lanza was on a schedule of drugs called SSRIs - known side effects are homicidal and suicidal tendencies. SSRIs, when coupled with the right markers almost guarantee that person will commit a violent act in their life time.

 

[JustAGuy1]

Every developed nation has people withmental health problems, violent video games and movies, depressed kids.

Only the US has the 2nd Amendment and a PAC dedicated to eliminating any restrictions on buying firearms.

So we have weekly mass shootings

Lol
So, Blame these guys not the firearms...

If they couldn’t easily access firearms, most of their victims would still be alive.

Aren't you just precious. IF people OBEYED the law we wouldn't NEED more laws. TeQuan from the hood doesn't care how many laws you pass. Nether does meth addict peter frm the trailer park. New laws serve ONE purpose and that's to make "feel" better.

Pure shit.

If there was a law that you couldn’t have weapons in the house with someone who was diagnosed with mental illness, Adam Lanza wouldn’t have had access to the arsenal he used to mow down 26 people.

In one sense you’re right. Those 26 families would feel better about right now

Pure truth. You NEED to feel better about you, it has nothing to do with anyone else.

. TeQuan from the hood doesn't care how many laws you pass. Nether does meth addict peter frm the trailer park. New laws serve ONE purpose and that's to make "feel" better

 

[deanrd]

For the parents of children in school.

Do your children do mass shooting safety drills at school? Ways to hide from a mass shooter?

I've heard it's being done at a number of schools.

Considering the way Republicans are defending weapons this is absolutely a fair question.

Do your children do mass shooting safety drills at school? Ways to hide from a mass shooter?

So are your kids taught safety drills on how to hide from mass shooters attacking schools? Do you think what they’re being taught is effective?
If they are being taught how to get away from mass shooters? I don’t have kids in school at that age so I don’t know.

 

[hunarcy]

If the firearm was randomly shooting people, I'd agree. But, the problem is human behavior, which your solution does not address at all.

Oh, and thank you.

My solution? The solution that goes... That if you want to sell your gun to an individual, you both go down to the courthouse and a background check is done on the buyer won’t keep the hands out of those who shouldn’t have guns? Its effectively the same (and less prosecutorial) as your solution to lock people up so they won’t get firearms.

Will it stop every under-the-table sale? No. But, as most gun owners are honest people, sales will often be done within the confines of the law.

Again, unless one is a whack job who shouldn’t have a gun…I’m not sure why anyone is against such a thing outside of the paranoid schism that somehow it matters to those who drive tanks and APCs that you’re packing a revolver.

Because I should be able to dispose of my private property without government interference. And, as we saw in the Sutherland Springs shooting (which you referenced), the government system doesn't work.

Except the system does work to some degree….

Over 1.8 million people with documented criminal records and/or mental problems have been denied purchase of a weapon.

As for disposing of your private property, all sorts of regulations are in place that already prohibit that. You can’t buy beer for a minor, you can’t buy a gun for someone who is prohibited from doing so—which is all the private sales are doing.

If that is the case, why aren't the 1.8 million people be prosecuted for trying to illegally obtain firearms? The lack of prosectution gives lie to the idea that you folks are sincere. If they are criminal, they need to be in jail. If they have paid their debt so society, why are they being further punished? And if they have mental problems, they need to be in a therapeutic setting being treated.

I CAN buy beer for a minor if the child is a member of my family. When Is It Ever Legal for Minors to Consume Alcohol? And, I should be able to dispose of my property as I see fit.

Fair points….I’d like to see the 1.8 million investigated and arrested myself. It doesn’t exclude the fact that the background checks did prevent 1.8 million people who shouldn’t have guns from getting them. We need to expand that to the parking lots.

You can’t buy beer for a kid who isn’t your child. It too is your property but you can’t do it. Just further illustrating that there are limits on your rights.

I would say that what needs to be expanded is the control society exerts over those who would infringe on the rights of the rest of us.

 

[toomuchtime_]

Why should you know the "lineage" of the gun? How will that save lives?

So you're saying we shouldn't try to apprehend violent criminals?

Not a good reader? I said none of this would save lives, and since you tried to change the subject, it is fair to assume you agree with me.

 

[hunarcy]

This is a death threat, Representative. Clearly, you shouldn't own an AR-15—and neither should anyone else.

Is it a death threat? Or is it a statement that he's ready for "Beto" to come take his firearm? I think you and O'Rourke might be making assumptions.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

My solution? The solution that goes... That if you want to sell your gun to an individual, you both go down to the courthouse and a background check is done on the buyer won’t keep the hands out of those who shouldn’t have guns? Its effectively the same (and less prosecutorial) as your solution to lock people up so they won’t get firearms.

Will it stop every under-the-table sale? No. But, as most gun owners are honest people, sales will often be done within the confines of the law.

Again, unless one is a whack job who shouldn’t have a gun…I’m not sure why anyone is against such a thing outside of the paranoid schism that somehow it matters to those who drive tanks and APCs that you’re packing a revolver.

Because I should be able to dispose of my private property without government interference. And, as we saw in the Sutherland Springs shooting (which you referenced), the government system doesn't work.

Except the system does work to some degree….

Over 1.8 million people with documented criminal records and/or mental problems have been denied purchase of a weapon.

As for disposing of your private property, all sorts of regulations are in place that already prohibit that. You can’t buy beer for a minor, you can’t buy a gun for someone who is prohibited from doing so—which is all the private sales are doing.

If that is the case, why aren't the 1.8 million people be prosecuted for trying to illegally obtain firearms? The lack of prosectution gives lie to the idea that you folks are sincere. If they are criminal, they need to be in jail. If they have paid their debt so society, why are they being further punished? And if they have mental problems, they need to be in a therapeutic setting being treated.

I CAN buy beer for a minor if the child is a member of my family. When Is It Ever Legal for Minors to Consume Alcohol? And, I should be able to dispose of my property as I see fit.

Fair points….I’d like to see the 1.8 million investigated and arrested myself. It doesn’t exclude the fact that the background checks did prevent 1.8 million people who shouldn’t have guns from getting them. We need to expand that to the parking lots.

You can’t buy beer for a kid who isn’t your child. It too is your property but you can’t do it. Just further illustrating that there are limits on your rights.

I would say that what needs to be expanded is the control society exerts over those who would infringe on the rights of the rest of us.

And when you "Rights" infringe on the "Rights" of other breathing, feeling peace at public schools, etc. then the majority must rethink those "Rights". You should as well.

 

[Porter Rockwell]

For the parents of children in school.

Do your children do mass shooting safety drills at school? Ways to hide from a mass shooter?

I've heard it's being done at a number of schools.

Considering the way Republicans are defending weapons this is absolutely a fair question.

Do your children do mass shooting safety drills at school? Ways to hide from a mass shooter?

So are your kids taught safety drills on how to hide from mass shooters attacking schools? Do you think what they’re being taught is effective?
If they are being taught how to get away from mass shooters? I don’t have kids in school at that age so I don’t know.

If I had a child in today's public schools, they would at least have a book bag with bullet proof plate in so they could shield themselves.

Since no politician in my area gives a rat's ass about saving lives, we will have to put up with gun grabbing socialists in the very near future.

 

[candycorn]

His parents screwed him up. Millions here take these meds and they don’t blast anyone.

Every developed nation has people withmental health problems, violent video games and movies, depressed kids.

Only the US has the 2nd Amendment and a PAC dedicated to eliminating any restrictions on buying firearms.

So we have weekly mass shootings

Lol
So, Blame these guys not the firearms...

If they couldn’t easily access firearms, most of their victims would still be alive.

Aren't you just precious. IF people OBEYED the law we wouldn't NEED more laws. TeQuan from the hood doesn't care how many laws you pass. Nether does meth addict peter frm the trailer park. New laws serve ONE purpose and that's to make "feel" better.

Pure shit.

If there was a law that you couldn’t have weapons in the house with someone who was diagnosed with mental illness, Adam Lanza wouldn’t have had access to the arsenal he used to mow down 26 people.

In one sense you’re right. Those 26 families would feel better about right now

If Adam Lanza had been dealt with in the proper manner, at an early age, he may not have been diagnosed with a "mental disease." Lanza's basic disorder began when he was very young and our screwed up society thought that drugging him as a FIRST option was a good idea.

Turns out Lanza was on a schedule of drugs called SSRIs - known side effects are homicidal and suicidal tendencies. SSRIs, when coupled with the right markers almost guarantee that person will commit a violent act in their life time.

 

[candycorn]

Every developed nation has people withmental health problems, violent video games and movies, depressed kids.

Only the US has the 2nd Amendment and a PAC dedicated to eliminating any restrictions on buying firearms.

So we have weekly mass shootings

Lol
So, Blame these guys not the firearms...

If they couldn’t easily access firearms, most of their victims would still be alive.

Aren't you just precious. IF people OBEYED the law we wouldn't NEED more laws. TeQuan from the hood doesn't care how many laws you pass. Nether does meth addict peter frm the trailer park. New laws serve ONE purpose and that's to make "feel" better.

Pure shit.

If there was a law that you couldn’t have weapons in the house with someone who was diagnosed with mental illness, Adam Lanza wouldn’t have had access to the arsenal he used to mow down 26 people.

In one sense you’re right. Those 26 families would feel better about right now

Pure truth. You NEED to feel better about you, it has nothing to do with anyone else.

. TeQuan from the hood doesn't care how many laws you pass. Nether does meth addict peter frm the trailer park. New laws serve ONE purpose and that's to make "feel" better

Ok. Whatever

 

[candycorn]

My solution? The solution that goes... That if you want to sell your gun to an individual, you both go down to the courthouse and a background check is done on the buyer won’t keep the hands out of those who shouldn’t have guns? Its effectively the same (and less prosecutorial) as your solution to lock people up so they won’t get firearms.

Will it stop every under-the-table sale? No. But, as most gun owners are honest people, sales will often be done within the confines of the law.

Again, unless one is a whack job who shouldn’t have a gun…I’m not sure why anyone is against such a thing outside of the paranoid schism that somehow it matters to those who drive tanks and APCs that you’re packing a revolver.

Because I should be able to dispose of my private property without government interference. And, as we saw in the Sutherland Springs shooting (which you referenced), the government system doesn't work.

Except the system does work to some degree….

Over 1.8 million people with documented criminal records and/or mental problems have been denied purchase of a weapon.

As for disposing of your private property, all sorts of regulations are in place that already prohibit that. You can’t buy beer for a minor, you can’t buy a gun for someone who is prohibited from doing so—which is all the private sales are doing.

If that is the case, why aren't the 1.8 million people be prosecuted for trying to illegally obtain firearms? The lack of prosectution gives lie to the idea that you folks are sincere. If they are criminal, they need to be in jail. If they have paid their debt so society, why are they being further punished? And if they have mental problems, they need to be in a therapeutic setting being treated.

I CAN buy beer for a minor if the child is a member of my family. When Is It Ever Legal for Minors to Consume Alcohol? And, I should be able to dispose of my property as I see fit.

Fair points….I’d like to see the 1.8 million investigated and arrested myself. It doesn’t exclude the fact that the background checks did prevent 1.8 million people who shouldn’t have guns from getting them. We need to expand that to the parking lots.

You can’t buy beer for a kid who isn’t your child. It too is your property but you can’t do it. Just further illustrating that there are limits on your rights.

I would say that what needs to be expanded is the control society exerts over those who would infringe on the rights of the rest of us.

Ok. Circular logic gets you nowhere

 

[Joann Stubbs]

Progressives want Background checks on all private sales. Why? Who pays for that? Paying for an right?
That is definitely unconstitutional and absolutely ridiculous.

Any type of waiting period on an right? I don’t think so, definitely unconstitutional and absolutely ridiculous.
No one should have to wait more than seconds to purchase their firearms.

Obviously universal background checks I have nothing to do with firearms… Like always... it’s always been about control.
The ******* spineless gun grabbers can pound sand... lol

M, Albright a Democrat once said on a talk tv show her dream was to know the name and address of every gun owner in the USA. It put shivers down my back....That is what they really want.

 

[Joann Stubbs]

Progressives want Background checks on all private sales. Why? Who pays for that? Paying for an right?
That is definitely unconstitutional and absolutely ridiculous.

Any type of waiting period on an right? I don’t think so, definitely unconstitutional and absolutely ridiculous.
No one should have to wait more than seconds to purchase their firearms.

Obviously universal background checks I have nothing to do with firearms… Like always... it’s always been about control.
The ******* spineless gun grabbers can pound sand... lol

No, you're right. Background checks won't do the trick. Ban and confiscate assault rifles and mags over 10 rounds. Insist on safety courses and licensing, including a clean mental health evaluation, every five years, for any gun. Clean up the NICS data base so it actually contains the information needed to make an informed decision on a potential buyer's appropriateness for a gun.
Americans are stupid mental cases.

Yeah, you run with that. LMAO

Get back to us when the supreme court says you can require criminals do that.

.

You just know WE are going to do that right. LOL I know I will mail in the name of the person that I traded a gun to. Sure I will I am Old and forget many things I was suppose to do, like take my meds on a reg basis. Quit running redlights, Pot smoking while operating heavy equipment.

 

[Porter Rockwell]

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His parents screwed him up. Millions here take these meds and they don’t blast anyone.

Lol
So, Blame these guys not the firearms...

If they couldn’t easily access firearms, most of their victims would still be alive.

Aren't you just precious. IF people OBEYED the law we wouldn't NEED more laws. TeQuan from the hood doesn't care how many laws you pass. Nether does meth addict peter frm the trailer park. New laws serve ONE purpose and that's to make "feel" better.

Pure shit.

If there was a law that you couldn’t have weapons in the house with someone who was diagnosed with mental illness, Adam Lanza wouldn’t have had access to the arsenal he used to mow down 26 people.

In one sense you’re right. Those 26 families would feel better about right now

If Adam Lanza had been dealt with in the proper manner, at an early age, he may not have been diagnosed with a "mental disease." Lanza's basic disorder began when he was very young and our screwed up society thought that drugging him as a FIRST option was a good idea.

Turns out Lanza was on a schedule of drugs called SSRIs - known side effects are homicidal and suicidal tendencies. SSRIs, when coupled with the right markers almost guarantee that person will commit a violent act in their life time.

Too many people are plain old simple minded. I have NEVER said that SSRIs alone screwed Adam Lanza up. Did you even bother to READ my post???

 

[candycorn]

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His parents screwed him up. Millions here take these meds and they don’t blast anyone.

If they couldn’t easily access firearms, most of their victims would still be alive.

Aren't you just precious. IF people OBEYED the law we wouldn't NEED more laws. TeQuan from the hood doesn't care how many laws you pass. Nether does meth addict peter frm the trailer park. New laws serve ONE purpose and that's to make "feel" better.

Pure shit.

If there was a law that you couldn’t have weapons in the house with someone who was diagnosed with mental illness, Adam Lanza wouldn’t have had access to the arsenal he used to mow down 26 people.

In one sense you’re right. Those 26 families would feel better about right now

If Adam Lanza had been dealt with in the proper manner, at an early age, he may not have been diagnosed with a "mental disease." Lanza's basic disorder began when he was very young and our screwed up society thought that drugging him as a FIRST option was a good idea.

Turns out Lanza was on a schedule of drugs called SSRIs - known side effects are homicidal and suicidal tendencies. SSRIs, when coupled with the right markers almost guarantee that person will commit a violent act in their life time.

Too many people are plain old simple minded. I have NEVER said that SSRIs alone screwed Adam Lanza up. Did you even bother to READ my post???

His parents screwed him up from day one from the looks of the picture. And to think that if both parents were still alive, they’d be perfectly within their rights to procreate and screw up more kids the same way they did with little Adam

 

[Porter Rockwell]

View attachment 279290

His parents screwed him up. Millions here take these meds and they don’t blast anyone.

Aren't you just precious. IF people OBEYED the law we wouldn't NEED more laws. TeQuan from the hood doesn't care how many laws you pass. Nether does meth addict peter frm the trailer park. New laws serve ONE purpose and that's to make "feel" better.

Pure shit.

If there was a law that you couldn’t have weapons in the house with someone who was diagnosed with mental illness, Adam Lanza wouldn’t have had access to the arsenal he used to mow down 26 people.

In one sense you’re right. Those 26 families would feel better about right now

If Adam Lanza had been dealt with in the proper manner, at an early age, he may not have been diagnosed with a "mental disease." Lanza's basic disorder began when he was very young and our screwed up society thought that drugging him as a FIRST option was a good idea.

Turns out Lanza was on a schedule of drugs called SSRIs - known side effects are homicidal and suicidal tendencies. SSRIs, when coupled with the right markers almost guarantee that person will commit a violent act in their life time.

Too many people are plain old simple minded. I have NEVER said that SSRIs alone screwed Adam Lanza up. Did you even bother to READ my post???

His parents screwed him up from day one from the looks of the picture. And to think that if both parents were still alive, they’d be perfectly within their rights to procreate and screw up more kids the same way they did with little Adam

I wrote some legislation that would have changed that entire scenario without raising taxes, without any new bureaucracies and without gun control. Lanza would have never killed those people had that bill been in place.

 

[candycorn]

View attachment 279290

His parents screwed him up. Millions here take these meds and they don’t blast anyone.

Pure shit.

If there was a law that you couldn’t have weapons in the house with someone who was diagnosed with mental illness, Adam Lanza wouldn’t have had access to the arsenal he used to mow down 26 people.

In one sense you’re right. Those 26 families would feel better about right now

If Adam Lanza had been dealt with in the proper manner, at an early age, he may not have been diagnosed with a "mental disease." Lanza's basic disorder began when he was very young and our screwed up society thought that drugging him as a FIRST option was a good idea.

Turns out Lanza was on a schedule of drugs called SSRIs - known side effects are homicidal and suicidal tendencies. SSRIs, when coupled with the right markers almost guarantee that person will commit a violent act in their life time.

Too many people are plain old simple minded. I have NEVER said that SSRIs alone screwed Adam Lanza up. Did you even bother to READ my post???

His parents screwed him up from day one from the looks of the picture. And to think that if both parents were still alive, they’d be perfectly within their rights to procreate and screw up more kids the same way they did with little Adam

I wrote some legislation that would have changed that entire scenario without raising taxes, without any new bureaucracies and without gun control. Lanza would have never killed those people had that bill been in place.

Really?