Universal background checks... really?

[Porter Rockwell]

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His parents screwed him up. Millions here take these meds and they don’t blast anyone.

If Adam Lanza had been dealt with in the proper manner, at an early age, he may not have been diagnosed with a "mental disease." Lanza's basic disorder began when he was very young and our screwed up society thought that drugging him as a FIRST option was a good idea.

Turns out Lanza was on a schedule of drugs called SSRIs - known side effects are homicidal and suicidal tendencies. SSRIs, when coupled with the right markers almost guarantee that person will commit a violent act in their life time.

Too many people are plain old simple minded. I have NEVER said that SSRIs alone screwed Adam Lanza up. Did you even bother to READ my post???

His parents screwed him up from day one from the looks of the picture. And to think that if both parents were still alive, they’d be perfectly within their rights to procreate and screw up more kids the same way they did with little Adam

I wrote some legislation that would have changed that entire scenario without raising taxes, without any new bureaucracies and without gun control. Lanza would have never killed those people had that bill been in place.

Really?

Yes, Really.

 

[candycorn]

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His parents screwed him up. Millions here take these meds and they don’t blast anyone.

Too many people are plain old simple minded. I have NEVER said that SSRIs alone screwed Adam Lanza up. Did you even bother to READ my post???

His parents screwed him up from day one from the looks of the picture. And to think that if both parents were still alive, they’d be perfectly within their rights to procreate and screw up more kids the same way they did with little Adam

I wrote some legislation that would have changed that entire scenario without raising taxes, without any new bureaucracies and without gun control. Lanza would have never killed those people had that bill been in place.

Really?

Yes, Really.

OK

 

[Lesh]

Why should you know the "lineage" of the gun? How will that save lives?

So you're saying we shouldn't try to apprehend violent criminals?

Not a good reader? I said none of this would save lives, and since you tried to change the subject, it is fair to assume you agree with me.

So apprehending violent criminals doesn't save lives?

Ohh...

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Why should you know the "lineage" of the gun? How will that save lives?

So you're saying we shouldn't try to apprehend violent criminals?

Not a good reader? I said none of this would save lives, and since you tried to change the subject, it is fair to assume you agree with me.

So apprehending violent criminals doesn't save lives?

Ohh...

In his mind, you must ask them if they are Democrats first. If they are, then you arrest them. IF they are Rumpsters then you give them a medal and a sandwich.

 

[toomuchtime_]

Why should you know the "lineage" of the gun? How will that save lives?

So you're saying we shouldn't try to apprehend violent criminals?

Not a good reader? I said none of this would save lives, and since you tried to change the subject, it is fair to assume you agree with me.

So apprehending violent criminals doesn't save lives?

Ohh...

I take it from your post you have given up the claim that it would in any way stop mass murderers.

 

[Lesh]

Nothing is 100% effective...but it will lessen the number and severity and that's valuable

 

[toomuchtime_]

Nothing is 100% effective...but it will lessen the number and severity and that's valuable

There is no evidence it would do anything of value.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Nothing is 100% effective...but it will lessen the number and severity and that's valuable

There is no evidence it would do anything of value.

In 2016, we sent 127 felons back to prison who tried to get firearms through background checks. That is 127 violent criminals that were taken off the streets. Forget about the whatifs, that is 127 violent felons taken off the streets due to universal background checks. If you don't believe that that had no affect, you would be just trolling and working to sell more guns for the Gun Industry with no regard for anyone else.

 

[toomuchtime_]

Nothing is 100% effective...but it will lessen the number and severity and that's valuable

There is no evidence it would do anything of value.

In 2016, we sent 127 felons back to prison who tried to get firearms through background checks. That is 127 violent criminals that were taken off the streets. Forget about the whatifs, that is 127 violent felons taken off the streets due to universal background checks. If you don't believe that that had no affect, you would be just trolling and working to sell more guns for the Gun Industry with no regard for anyone else.

No one goes to jail for failing a background check. You need to try to make up better lies.

 

[Porter Rockwell]

Nothing is 100% effective...but it will lessen the number and severity and that's valuable

There is no evidence it would do anything of value.

In 2016, we sent 127 felons back to prison who tried to get firearms through background checks. That is 127 violent criminals that were taken off the streets. Forget about the whatifs, that is 127 violent felons taken off the streets due to universal background checks. If you don't believe that that had no affect, you would be just trolling and working to sell more guns for the Gun Industry with no regard for anyone else.

If those people were "violent" felons, why in the Hell aren't you bitching about the system not doing its job and rehabilitating them? How come you aren't pissed off that the penal system put violent people back onto the streets? Are you so stupid that you don't understand that if a person is violent, access to a firearm doesn't change who they are?

If someone is violent, can they not kill you with a knife, car, baseball bat or poison? Furthermore, of that 127 people, what proof do you have that they were not rehabilitated and pose no threat to society?

You are using statistics as a pretext to turn America into a socialist shithole. If you don't like America, why don't you pack your rags and catch the next flight to Sierra Leone? You're not fooling anybody here by preying upon the emotions of those whose loved ones who were killed by murderers YOU created.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Nothing is 100% effective...but it will lessen the number and severity and that's valuable

There is no evidence it would do anything of value.

In 2016, we sent 127 felons back to prison who tried to get firearms through background checks. That is 127 violent criminals that were taken off the streets. Forget about the whatifs, that is 127 violent felons taken off the streets due to universal background checks. If you don't believe that that had no affect, you would be just trolling and working to sell more guns for the Gun Industry with no regard for anyone else.

No one goes to jail for failing a background check. You need to try to make up better lies.

They do if they are on parole and it's a violation of their parole. Nice try, you just won an award.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Nothing is 100% effective...but it will lessen the number and severity and that's valuable

There is no evidence it would do anything of value.

In 2016, we sent 127 felons back to prison who tried to get firearms through background checks. That is 127 violent criminals that were taken off the streets. Forget about the whatifs, that is 127 violent felons taken off the streets due to universal background checks. If you don't believe that that had no affect, you would be just trolling and working to sell more guns for the Gun Industry with no regard for anyone else.

If those people were "violent" felons, why in the Hell aren't you bitching about the system not doing its job and rehabilitating them? How come you aren't pissed off that the penal system put violent people back onto the streets? Are you so stupid that you don't understand that if a person is violent, access to a firearm doesn't change who they are?

If someone is violent, can they not kill you with a knife, car, baseball bat or poison? Furthermore, of that 127 people, what proof do you have that they were not rehabilitated and pose no threat to society?

You are using statistics as a pretext to turn America into a socialist shithole. If you don't like America, why don't you pack your rags and catch the next flight to Sierra Leone? You're not fooling anybody here by preying upon the emotions of those whose loved ones who were killed by murderers YOU created.

I like our system here. Why don't you NOT move here. You won't be happy.

 

[hunarcy]

Because I should be able to dispose of my private property without government interference. And, as we saw in the Sutherland Springs shooting (which you referenced), the government system doesn't work.

Except the system does work to some degree….

Over 1.8 million people with documented criminal records and/or mental problems have been denied purchase of a weapon.

As for disposing of your private property, all sorts of regulations are in place that already prohibit that. You can’t buy beer for a minor, you can’t buy a gun for someone who is prohibited from doing so—which is all the private sales are doing.

If that is the case, why aren't the 1.8 million people be prosecuted for trying to illegally obtain firearms? The lack of prosectution gives lie to the idea that you folks are sincere. If they are criminal, they need to be in jail. If they have paid their debt so society, why are they being further punished? And if they have mental problems, they need to be in a therapeutic setting being treated.

I CAN buy beer for a minor if the child is a member of my family. When Is It Ever Legal for Minors to Consume Alcohol? And, I should be able to dispose of my property as I see fit.

Fair points….I’d like to see the 1.8 million investigated and arrested myself. It doesn’t exclude the fact that the background checks did prevent 1.8 million people who shouldn’t have guns from getting them. We need to expand that to the parking lots.

You can’t buy beer for a kid who isn’t your child. It too is your property but you can’t do it. Just further illustrating that there are limits on your rights.

I would say that what needs to be expanded is the control society exerts over those who would infringe on the rights of the rest of us.

Ok. Circular logic gets you nowhere

Nothing circular about it. Over the years, it's been proven again and again that trying to ban things does not solve problems. Prohibition and the War on Drugs, have CREATED more problems than they hoped to solve. The ONLY thing that is effective is to control the PEOPLE who create the problems.

Because I should be able to dispose of my private property without government interference. And, as we saw in the Sutherland Springs shooting (which you referenced), the government system doesn't work.

Except the system does work to some degree….

Over 1.8 million people with documented criminal records and/or mental problems have been denied purchase of a weapon.

As for disposing of your private property, all sorts of regulations are in place that already prohibit that. You can’t buy beer for a minor, you can’t buy a gun for someone who is prohibited from doing so—which is all the private sales are doing.

If that is the case, why aren't the 1.8 million people be prosecuted for trying to illegally obtain firearms? The lack of prosectution gives lie to the idea that you folks are sincere. If they are criminal, they need to be in jail. If they have paid their debt so society, why are they being further punished? And if they have mental problems, they need to be in a therapeutic setting being treated.

I CAN buy beer for a minor if the child is a member of my family. When Is It Ever Legal for Minors to Consume Alcohol? And, I should be able to dispose of my property as I see fit.

Fair points….I’d like to see the 1.8 million investigated and arrested myself. It doesn’t exclude the fact that the background checks did prevent 1.8 million people who shouldn’t have guns from getting them. We need to expand that to the parking lots.

You can’t buy beer for a kid who isn’t your child. It too is your property but you can’t do it. Just further illustrating that there are limits on your rights.

I would say that what needs to be expanded is the control society exerts over those who would infringe on the rights of the rest of us.

Ok. Circular logic gets you nowhere

 

[candycorn]

Except the system does work to some degree….

Over 1.8 million people with documented criminal records and/or mental problems have been denied purchase of a weapon.

As for disposing of your private property, all sorts of regulations are in place that already prohibit that. You can’t buy beer for a minor, you can’t buy a gun for someone who is prohibited from doing so—which is all the private sales are doing.

If that is the case, why aren't the 1.8 million people be prosecuted for trying to illegally obtain firearms? The lack of prosectution gives lie to the idea that you folks are sincere. If they are criminal, they need to be in jail. If they have paid their debt so society, why are they being further punished? And if they have mental problems, they need to be in a therapeutic setting being treated.

I CAN buy beer for a minor if the child is a member of my family. When Is It Ever Legal for Minors to Consume Alcohol? And, I should be able to dispose of my property as I see fit.

Fair points….I’d like to see the 1.8 million investigated and arrested myself. It doesn’t exclude the fact that the background checks did prevent 1.8 million people who shouldn’t have guns from getting them. We need to expand that to the parking lots.

You can’t buy beer for a kid who isn’t your child. It too is your property but you can’t do it. Just further illustrating that there are limits on your rights.

I would say that what needs to be expanded is the control society exerts over those who would infringe on the rights of the rest of us.

Ok. Circular logic gets you nowhere

Nothing circular about it. Over the years, it's been proven again and again that trying to ban things does not solve problems. Prohibition and the War on Drugs, have CREATED more problems than they hoped to solve. The ONLY thing that is effective is to control the PEOPLE who create the problems.

Except the system does work to some degree….

Over 1.8 million people with documented criminal records and/or mental problems have been denied purchase of a weapon.

As for disposing of your private property, all sorts of regulations are in place that already prohibit that. You can’t buy beer for a minor, you can’t buy a gun for someone who is prohibited from doing so—which is all the private sales are doing.

If that is the case, why aren't the 1.8 million people be prosecuted for trying to illegally obtain firearms? The lack of prosectution gives lie to the idea that you folks are sincere. If they are criminal, they need to be in jail. If they have paid their debt so society, why are they being further punished? And if they have mental problems, they need to be in a therapeutic setting being treated.

I CAN buy beer for a minor if the child is a member of my family. When Is It Ever Legal for Minors to Consume Alcohol? And, I should be able to dispose of my property as I see fit.

Fair points….I’d like to see the 1.8 million investigated and arrested myself. It doesn’t exclude the fact that the background checks did prevent 1.8 million people who shouldn’t have guns from getting them. We need to expand that to the parking lots.

You can’t buy beer for a kid who isn’t your child. It too is your property but you can’t do it. Just further illustrating that there are limits on your rights.

I would say that what needs to be expanded is the control society exerts over those who would infringe on the rights of the rest of us.

Ok. Circular logic gets you nowhere

So you would rather we legalize cocaine and heroin?

You’re insane.

If you pass a law tomorrow that you can’t keep a gun in your house if someone is PS, will you have every household moving their guns off premises? No. Would some who don’t wish to violate the law? Yes. Eventually more and more people would. Would you ever get 100% compliance? No.

Also in the cases you cite about alcohol and drug use, you do realize that in those cases the distribution channel is being shut down and criminals step in To reopen it. In the case of passing a law that households with a mentally troubled person must keep their weapons off site...no such distribution channel is being shut down. So your examples are not applicable.

 

[Porter Rockwell]

Nothing is 100% effective...but it will lessen the number and severity and that's valuable

There is no evidence it would do anything of value.

In 2016, we sent 127 felons back to prison who tried to get firearms through background checks. That is 127 violent criminals that were taken off the streets. Forget about the whatifs, that is 127 violent felons taken off the streets due to universal background checks. If you don't believe that that had no affect, you would be just trolling and working to sell more guns for the Gun Industry with no regard for anyone else.

If those people were "violent" felons, why in the Hell aren't you bitching about the system not doing its job and rehabilitating them? How come you aren't pissed off that the penal system put violent people back onto the streets? Are you so stupid that you don't understand that if a person is violent, access to a firearm doesn't change who they are?

If someone is violent, can they not kill you with a knife, car, baseball bat or poison? Furthermore, of that 127 people, what proof do you have that they were not rehabilitated and pose no threat to society?

You are using statistics as a pretext to turn America into a socialist shithole. If you don't like America, why don't you pack your rags and catch the next flight to Sierra Leone? You're not fooling anybody here by preying upon the emotions of those whose loved ones who were killed by murderers YOU created.

I like our system here. Why don't you NOT move here. You won't be happy.

You don't like anything about America. You spend most of your time talking shit against it... talking trash you don't have the balls to down on street corners with your signs and say in public.

 

[Porter Rockwell]

Except the system does work to some degree….

Over 1.8 million people with documented criminal records and/or mental problems have been denied purchase of a weapon.

As for disposing of your private property, all sorts of regulations are in place that already prohibit that. You can’t buy beer for a minor, you can’t buy a gun for someone who is prohibited from doing so—which is all the private sales are doing.

If that is the case, why aren't the 1.8 million people be prosecuted for trying to illegally obtain firearms? The lack of prosectution gives lie to the idea that you folks are sincere. If they are criminal, they need to be in jail. If they have paid their debt so society, why are they being further punished? And if they have mental problems, they need to be in a therapeutic setting being treated.

I CAN buy beer for a minor if the child is a member of my family. When Is It Ever Legal for Minors to Consume Alcohol? And, I should be able to dispose of my property as I see fit.

Fair points….I’d like to see the 1.8 million investigated and arrested myself. It doesn’t exclude the fact that the background checks did prevent 1.8 million people who shouldn’t have guns from getting them. We need to expand that to the parking lots.

You can’t buy beer for a kid who isn’t your child. It too is your property but you can’t do it. Just further illustrating that there are limits on your rights.

I would say that what needs to be expanded is the control society exerts over those who would infringe on the rights of the rest of us.

Ok. Circular logic gets you nowhere

Nothing circular about it. Over the years, it's been proven again and again that trying to ban things does not solve problems. Prohibition and the War on Drugs, have CREATED more problems than they hoped to solve. The ONLY thing that is effective is to control the PEOPLE who create the problems.

Except the system does work to some degree….

Over 1.8 million people with documented criminal records and/or mental problems have been denied purchase of a weapon.

As for disposing of your private property, all sorts of regulations are in place that already prohibit that. You can’t buy beer for a minor, you can’t buy a gun for someone who is prohibited from doing so—which is all the private sales are doing.

If that is the case, why aren't the 1.8 million people be prosecuted for trying to illegally obtain firearms? The lack of prosectution gives lie to the idea that you folks are sincere. If they are criminal, they need to be in jail. If they have paid their debt so society, why are they being further punished? And if they have mental problems, they need to be in a therapeutic setting being treated.

I CAN buy beer for a minor if the child is a member of my family. When Is It Ever Legal for Minors to Consume Alcohol? And, I should be able to dispose of my property as I see fit.

Fair points….I’d like to see the 1.8 million investigated and arrested myself. It doesn’t exclude the fact that the background checks did prevent 1.8 million people who shouldn’t have guns from getting them. We need to expand that to the parking lots.

You can’t buy beer for a kid who isn’t your child. It too is your property but you can’t do it. Just further illustrating that there are limits on your rights.

I would say that what needs to be expanded is the control society exerts over those who would infringe on the rights of the rest of us.

Ok. Circular logic gets you nowhere

Actually bans makes the "problem" worse. Today, firearms can be built from scratch by monkeys with hand tools. The liberals are going to con Trump into signing another bill that will take dollars from one place to divert into this newly created criminal enterprise.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Nothing is 100% effective...but it will lessen the number and severity and that's valuable

There is no evidence it would do anything of value.

In 2016, we sent 127 felons back to prison who tried to get firearms through background checks. That is 127 violent criminals that were taken off the streets. Forget about the whatifs, that is 127 violent felons taken off the streets due to universal background checks. If you don't believe that that had no affect, you would be just trolling and working to sell more guns for the Gun Industry with no regard for anyone else.

If those people were "violent" felons, why in the Hell aren't you bitching about the system not doing its job and rehabilitating them? How come you aren't pissed off that the penal system put violent people back onto the streets? Are you so stupid that you don't understand that if a person is violent, access to a firearm doesn't change who they are?

If someone is violent, can they not kill you with a knife, car, baseball bat or poison? Furthermore, of that 127 people, what proof do you have that they were not rehabilitated and pose no threat to society?

You are using statistics as a pretext to turn America into a socialist shithole. If you don't like America, why don't you pack your rags and catch the next flight to Sierra Leone? You're not fooling anybody here by preying upon the emotions of those whose loved ones who were killed by murderers YOU created.

I like our system here. Why don't you NOT move here. You won't be happy.

You don't like anything about America. You spend most of your time talking shit against it... talking trash you don't have the balls to down on street corners with your signs and say in public.

Wow, good reflection you have there, cupcake. I happen to like my little part of America. I live in a primarily Red area. I can walk down the street at 2 am without fear of being shot, beaten, arrested, mugged, kidnapped. Outside of the occasional quickstop holdups, crime is pretty low. Our schools are safe. Almost no one is strutting down the street wearing their Gun ALA Billy the Kid. AR-15s are here but you never see them because they aren't a cult and it's really bad manners to display them in public. Cost of Living is low compared to most places. I would say we have it pretty damned good. But you wouldn't like it here. This is too much like middle America and you want America remade in whatever sick image you have in your twisted head. No thanks, I'll pass and just stay here.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

If that is the case, why aren't the 1.8 million people be prosecuted for trying to illegally obtain firearms? The lack of prosectution gives lie to the idea that you folks are sincere. If they are criminal, they need to be in jail. If they have paid their debt so society, why are they being further punished? And if they have mental problems, they need to be in a therapeutic setting being treated.

I CAN buy beer for a minor if the child is a member of my family. When Is It Ever Legal for Minors to Consume Alcohol? And, I should be able to dispose of my property as I see fit.

Fair points….I’d like to see the 1.8 million investigated and arrested myself. It doesn’t exclude the fact that the background checks did prevent 1.8 million people who shouldn’t have guns from getting them. We need to expand that to the parking lots.

You can’t buy beer for a kid who isn’t your child. It too is your property but you can’t do it. Just further illustrating that there are limits on your rights.

I would say that what needs to be expanded is the control society exerts over those who would infringe on the rights of the rest of us.

Ok. Circular logic gets you nowhere

Nothing circular about it. Over the years, it's been proven again and again that trying to ban things does not solve problems. Prohibition and the War on Drugs, have CREATED more problems than they hoped to solve. The ONLY thing that is effective is to control the PEOPLE who create the problems.

If that is the case, why aren't the 1.8 million people be prosecuted for trying to illegally obtain firearms? The lack of prosectution gives lie to the idea that you folks are sincere. If they are criminal, they need to be in jail. If they have paid their debt so society, why are they being further punished? And if they have mental problems, they need to be in a therapeutic setting being treated.

I CAN buy beer for a minor if the child is a member of my family. When Is It Ever Legal for Minors to Consume Alcohol? And, I should be able to dispose of my property as I see fit.

Fair points….I’d like to see the 1.8 million investigated and arrested myself. It doesn’t exclude the fact that the background checks did prevent 1.8 million people who shouldn’t have guns from getting them. We need to expand that to the parking lots.

You can’t buy beer for a kid who isn’t your child. It too is your property but you can’t do it. Just further illustrating that there are limits on your rights.

I would say that what needs to be expanded is the control society exerts over those who would infringe on the rights of the rest of us.

Ok. Circular logic gets you nowhere

Actually bans makes the "problem" worse. Today, firearms can be built from scratch by monkeys with hand tools. The liberals are going to con Trump into signing another bill that will take dollars from one place to divert into this newly created criminal enterprise.

Ooohhhh, the Fear, feel the Fear. Study up on how our Grand Fathers handled the Thompson Model 1921. They did it without confiscating (except for criminals), no house to house searches. None of the fear things you keep bringing up. It was actually very benign. And for the same reasons that we are looking at the AR and the AK. At 200 bucks a gun, there were a LOT of them. IT took about 10 years to finally get them under control. Time works wonders. Did they actually Ban them? Nope. You wanted a Thompson Model 1921, you could still have one. Even today, if you want a Thompson Model 1921 or Thompson M1A1 you can have one. So another "Let's scare Johnny" bites the dust.

And they don't "Ban" all the parts. They do "Regulate" the uppers which is what makes the gun go bang. The Uppers is also the main difference between the AR and the M-16. And I would say that the "Regulation" of the M-16 uppers has worked pretty damned good. When was the last time a fully auto AR was used in a crime? The way to "Regulate" the AR is to regulate the Upper. The same they did with the Thompson Model 1921 and the same they did with the M-16. BTW, I can own a fully auto M-16 if I wish even today. They aren't "Banned" they are regulated.

At some point, your Grand Father got sick and tired of his children getting mowed down by stray shots from mobsters killing each other and did something about it. AT some point, WE are going to have to do something about the sickos mowing down our children with ARs.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

 

[candycorn]

If that is the case, why aren't the 1.8 million people be prosecuted for trying to illegally obtain firearms? The lack of prosectution gives lie to the idea that you folks are sincere. If they are criminal, they need to be in jail. If they have paid their debt so society, why are they being further punished? And if they have mental problems, they need to be in a therapeutic setting being treated.

I CAN buy beer for a minor if the child is a member of my family. When Is It Ever Legal for Minors to Consume Alcohol? And, I should be able to dispose of my property as I see fit.

Fair points….I’d like to see the 1.8 million investigated and arrested myself. It doesn’t exclude the fact that the background checks did prevent 1.8 million people who shouldn’t have guns from getting them. We need to expand that to the parking lots.

You can’t buy beer for a kid who isn’t your child. It too is your property but you can’t do it. Just further illustrating that there are limits on your rights.

I would say that what needs to be expanded is the control society exerts over those who would infringe on the rights of the rest of us.

Ok. Circular logic gets you nowhere

Nothing circular about it. Over the years, it's been proven again and again that trying to ban things does not solve problems. Prohibition and the War on Drugs, have CREATED more problems than they hoped to solve. The ONLY thing that is effective is to control the PEOPLE who create the problems.

If that is the case, why aren't the 1.8 million people be prosecuted for trying to illegally obtain firearms? The lack of prosectution gives lie to the idea that you folks are sincere. If they are criminal, they need to be in jail. If they have paid their debt so society, why are they being further punished? And if they have mental problems, they need to be in a therapeutic setting being treated.

I CAN buy beer for a minor if the child is a member of my family. When Is It Ever Legal for Minors to Consume Alcohol? And, I should be able to dispose of my property as I see fit.

Fair points….I’d like to see the 1.8 million investigated and arrested myself. It doesn’t exclude the fact that the background checks did prevent 1.8 million people who shouldn’t have guns from getting them. We need to expand that to the parking lots.

You can’t buy beer for a kid who isn’t your child. It too is your property but you can’t do it. Just further illustrating that there are limits on your rights.

I would say that what needs to be expanded is the control society exerts over those who would infringe on the rights of the rest of us.

Ok. Circular logic gets you nowhere

Actually bans makes the "problem" worse. Today, firearms can be built from scratch by monkeys with hand tools. The liberals are going to con Trump into signing another bill that will take dollars from one place to divert into this newly created criminal enterprise.

They were always made by hand about. 200 years ago. Nothing new.