Universal background checks... really?

[Defiant1]

Unsupportable nonsense.
As usual.

7 people murdered.

You cannot demonstrate how this proves your claim that "not running background checks tends to get people murdered".

Because the guy killed people by purchasing a gun that didn't go through a background check. Zero people were murdered due to him previously failing a background check.

As I said:
You cannot demonstrate how this proves your claim that "not running background checks tends to get people murdered"
Thank you for proving me correct.

Except for the guy who acquired a gun by exploiting a loophole.

So in the future if I decide to shoot a bunch of people would you lefties prefer I use a weapon I bought with a background check or one without?

Maybe one of each?

 

[M14 Shooter]

Background checks on private firearm sales are unnecessary... fact

7 people recently murdered would disagree with you.

Fact:
This does nothing to demonstrate the necessity of background checks.

Another person who does not know what a fact is.

Fact:
You still have not demonstrated the necessity of background checks.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Unsupportable nonsense.
As usual.

7 people murdered.

You cannot demonstrate how this proves your claim that "not running background checks tends to get people murdered".

Because the guy killed people by purchasing a gun that didn't go through a background check. Zero people were murdered due to him previously failing a background check.

As I said:
You cannot demonstrate how this proves your claim that "not running background checks tends to get people murdered"
Thank you for proving me correct.

Except for the guy who acquired a gun by exploiting a loophole.

Thank you for further proving you cannot demonstrate how "7 people murdered" proves your claim that "not running background checks tends to get people murdered".
You also cannot demonstrate a loophole in the law that allowed the shooter to legally avoid any of the federally required background checks.

 

[HappyJoy]

7 people murdered.

You cannot demonstrate how this proves your claim that "not running background checks tends to get people murdered".

Because the guy killed people by purchasing a gun that didn't go through a background check. Zero people were murdered due to him previously failing a background check.

As I said:
You cannot demonstrate how this proves your claim that "not running background checks tends to get people murdered"
Thank you for proving me correct.

Except for the guy who acquired a gun by exploiting a loophole.

So in the future if I decide to shoot a bunch of people would you lefties prefer I use a weapon I bought with a background check or one without?

Maybe one of each?

I'd prefer you had less options, especially if you're are considering shooting people in the future.

 

[HappyJoy]

Background checks on private firearm sales are unnecessary... fact

7 people recently murdered would disagree with you.

Fact:
This does nothing to demonstrate the necessity of background checks.

Another person who does not know what a fact is.

Fact:
You still have not demonstrated the necessity of background checks.

I didn't need to, Seth Ator already did.

 

[Wry Catcher]

Progressives want Background checks on all private sales. Why? Who pays for that? Paying for an right?
That is definitely unconstitutional and absolutely ridiculous.

Any type of waiting period on an right? I don’t think so, definitely unconstitutional and absolutely ridiculous.
No one should have to wait more than seconds to purchase their firearms.

Obviously universal background checks I have nothing to do with firearms… Like always... it’s always been about control.
The ******* spineless gun grabbers can pound sand... lol

No, you're right. Background checks won't do the trick. Ban and confiscate assault rifles and mags over 10 rounds. Insist on safety courses and licensing, including a clean mental health evaluation, every five years, for any gun. Clean up the NICS data base so it actually contains the information needed to make an informed decision on a potential buyer's appropriateness for a gun.
Americans are stupid mental cases.

All gun sales, or guns given as gifts need to be vetted through a more comprehensive iteration of the NICS, one which requires more than criminal convictions. Examples are:

• Detained civilly as a danger to ones self or others
• Suicide attempts
• Protective and stay away orders
• Criminal Threats (Credible)
• Less than honorable military discharge
• Chronic detentions related to alcohol or drug abuse
• Two or more DUI's within five years
• Possession of any deadly weapon within any government building, or within 500 yards of any government building or political rally/event
• Possession of any deadly weapon outlawed by local, state or federal government law, within the jurisdiction where outlawded .

 

[HappyJoy]

7 people murdered.

You cannot demonstrate how this proves your claim that "not running background checks tends to get people murdered".

Because the guy killed people by purchasing a gun that didn't go through a background check. Zero people were murdered due to him previously failing a background check.

As I said:
You cannot demonstrate how this proves your claim that "not running background checks tends to get people murdered"
Thank you for proving me correct.

Except for the guy who acquired a gun by exploiting a loophole.

Thank you for further proving you cannot demonstrate how "7 people murdered" proves your claim that "not running background checks tends to get people murdered".
You also cannot demonstrate a loophole in the law that allowed the shooter to legally avoid any of the federally required background checks.

The private sale did not require a background check, hence the loophole for someone who is not allowed to get a gun to get one.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Background checks on private firearm sales are unnecessary... fact

7 people recently murdered would disagree with you.

Fact:
This does nothing to demonstrate the necessity of background checks.

Another person who does not know what a fact is.

Fact:
You still have not demonstrated the neessity of background checks.

I didn't need to, Seth Ator already did.

I accept your concession of the point.
When you think you can demonstrate the necessity for background checks, let us know.

 

[M14 Shooter]

All gun sales, or guns given as gifts need to be vetted through a more comprehensive iteration of the NICS, one which requires more than criminal convictions.

Demonstrate the necessity and efficacy of this.

 

[HappyJoy]

7 people recently murdered would disagree with you.

Fact:
This does nothing to demonstrate the necessity of background checks.

Another person who does not know what a fact is.

Fact:
You still have not demonstrated the neessity of background checks.

I didn't need to, Seth Ator already did.

I accept your concession of the point.
When you think you can demonstrate the necessity for background checks, let us know.

I didn't make a concession you just keep insisting you made a point.

Was Ator able to buy a gun and circumvent the background check system even though legally he was not allowed to possess one? Yes or no.

 

[M14 Shooter]

You cannot demonstrate how this proves your claim that "not running background checks tends to get people murdered".

Because the guy killed people by purchasing a gun that didn't go through a background check. Zero people were murdered due to him previously failing a background check.

As I said:
You cannot demonstrate how this proves your claim that "not running background checks tends to get people murdered"
Thank you for proving me correct.

Except for the guy who acquired a gun by exploiting a loophole.

Thank you for further proving you cannot demonstrate how "7 people murdered" proves your claim that "not running background checks tends to get people murdered".
You also cannot demonstrate a loophole in the law that allowed the shooter to legally avoid any of the federally required background checks.

The private sale did not require a background check, hence....

Thank you for demonstrating there is no loophole in the law that allows someone to legally avoid the background checks required by law.

 

[M14 Shooter]

I accept your concession of the point.
When you think you can demonstrate the necessity for background checks, let us know.

I didn't make a concession...

You did - you conceded that you cannot demonstrate the necessity for background checks.
When you think you -can- demonstrate the necessity for background checks, let us know.

 

[HappyJoy]

Because the guy killed people by purchasing a gun that didn't go through a background check. Zero people were murdered due to him previously failing a background check.

As I said:
You cannot demonstrate how this proves your claim that "not running background checks tends to get people murdered"
Thank you for proving me correct.

Except for the guy who acquired a gun by exploiting a loophole.

Thank you for further proving you cannot demonstrate how "7 people murdered" proves your claim that "not running background checks tends to get people murdered".
You also cannot demonstrate a loophole in the law that allowed the shooter to legally avoid any of the federally required background checks.

The private sale did not require a background check, hence....

Thank you for demonstrating there is no loophole in the law that allows someone to legally avoid the background checks required by law.

Someone not allowed to own a weapon was able to purchase one from a seller who was not required to confirm the buyers legal status. He then shot 7 people dead and wounded over 20 others. Sounds like a loophole, I'm more than happy for you to explain why it's not.

 

[HappyJoy]

I accept your concession of the point.
When you think you can demonstrate the necessity for background checks, let us know.

I didn't make a concession...

You did - you conceded that you cannot demonstrate the necessity for background checks.
When you think you -can- demonstrate the necessity for background checks, let us know.

I already did. You can keep plugging your index fingers in your ears and going "la la la la", makes no difference to me.

 

[M14 Shooter]

As I said:
You cannot demonstrate how this proves your claim that "not running background checks tends to get people murdered"
Thank you for proving me correct.

Except for the guy who acquired a gun by exploiting a loophole.

Thank you for further proving you cannot demonstrate how "7 people murdered" proves your claim that "not running background checks tends to get people murdered".
You also cannot demonstrate a loophole in the law that allowed the shooter to legally avoid any of the federally required background checks.

The private sale did not require a background check, hence....

Thank you for demonstrating there is no loophole in the law that allows someone to legally avoid the background checks required by law.

Someone not allowed to own a weapon was able to purchase one from a seller who was not required to confirm the buyers legal status... Sounds like a loophole,

Because you do not understand - and have no interest in understanding - the meaning of "loophole"
As it is is impossible to legally avoid the background checks required by law, there is no loophole in that law.

 

[M14 Shooter]

I accept your concession of the point.
When you think you can demonstrate the necessity for background checks, let us know.

I didn't make a concession...

You did - you conceded that you cannot demonstrate the necessity for background checks.
When you think you -can- demonstrate the necessity for background checks, let us know.

I already did.

This is, of course, a lie.
When you think you -can- demonstrate the necessity for background checks, let us know.

 

[HappyJoy]

Except for the guy who acquired a gun by exploiting a loophole.

Thank you for further proving you cannot demonstrate how "7 people murdered" proves your claim that "not running background checks tends to get people murdered".
You also cannot demonstrate a loophole in the law that allowed the shooter to legally avoid any of the federally required background checks.

The private sale did not require a background check, hence....

Thank you for demonstrating there is no loophole in the law that allows someone to legally avoid the background checks required by law.

Someone not allowed to own a weapon was able to purchase one from a seller who was not required to confirm the buyers legal status... Sounds like a loophole,

Because you do not understand - and have no interest in understanding - the meaning of "loophole"
As it is is impossible to legally avoid the background checks required by law, there is no loophole in that law.

He did legally avoid a background check. A background check was not legally required in the sale of a weapon to someone who was not legally allowed to won one and when he did he killed 7 people, victimizing dozens of others.

Even the right wing NY Post calls is a loophole.

https://nypost.com/2019/09/04/texas-shooter-seth-ator-used-loophole-to-get-ar-style-gun-report/

 

[HappyJoy]

I accept your concession of the point.
When you think you can demonstrate the necessity for background checks, let us know.

I didn't make a concession...

You did - you conceded that you cannot demonstrate the necessity for background checks.
When you think you -can- demonstrate the necessity for background checks, let us know.

I already did.

This is, of course, a lie.
When you think you -can- demonstrate the necessity for background checks, let us know.

7 people were killed by a shooter who failed the background check system yet was able to circumvent the system by buying from a private seller. Says it all. Your only non-response has basically been "nuh-uh" (paraphrasing).

 

[M14 Shooter]

He did legally avoid a background check.

No. He didn't. He failed the background check required by law.
It is impossible for him to legally avoid the background checks required by law.

A background check was not legally required in the sale...

Correct. This is not a loophole, this is a lacunae or non liquet
Non liquet - Wikipedia

You people are -wholly- ignorant of virtually everything you discuss - it amazes me that you remember to breathe.

 

[M14 Shooter]

I accept your concession of the point.
When you think you can demonstrate the necessity for background checks, let us know.

I didn't make a concession...

You did - you conceded that you cannot demonstrate the necessity for background checks.
When you think you -can- demonstrate the necessity for background checks, let us know.

I already did.

This is, of course, a lie.
When you think you -can- demonstrate the necessity for background checks, let us know.

7 people were killed by a shooter who failed the background check system yet was able to circumvent the system by buying from a private seller. Says it all. Your only non-response has basically been "nuh-uh" (paraphrasing).

When you think you -can- demonstrate the necessity for background checks, let us know