Universal background checks... really?

[2aguy]

Ah, so you don't know if anything you suggest would stop anything, but you're determined to do "something".

What's the solution?

I support a life sentence on any criminal who uses a gun for an actual gun crime..... and 30 years if a criminal is caught in possession of a gun, even if they are not using it at that moment for crime.
This will dry up gun crime over night. Criminals will stop using guns for robberies, rapes and murders.....and those who do will be gone forever......

Criminals will also stop walking around with guns in their pants......which is the leading cause of random gang shootings in our cities. if they are stopped by police, with a gun in their pants, they are gone for 30 years...they will stop carrying those guns, and random gang violence will end.

You implement this with two other things...

1) No More Bargaining Away the Gun Charge.........it must be against the law to bargain away a gun charge as part of a plea deal....this stops.

2) When a criminal is arrested for any crime, and booked in...they will be read the announcement that any use of a crime is a life sentence without parole, owning or carrying a gun as a felon is a 30 year sentence without parole....when they are released from custody...the same will be read to them again....when they meet their parole officer it will be read to them again.....the U.S. government will also buy and send out Public announcements on this policy on t.v. radio. and cable......

That is how you stop gun crime over night.

Mass shooters are different..... but with only 93 people killed in mass public shootings in 2018, they are not the major problem in gun crime.

The value in my plan......it actually targets the individuals actually using guns to commit crimes and murder people....

It does not require new background check laws, it does not require gun licensing, licensing gun owners, gun registration, new taxes, fees or regulations on guns...

By making gun crime a life sentence, criminals will stop using guns for crime and will stop carrying guns around for protection.....

Also....a nurse, with a legal gun, driving from Pennsylvania, to New Jersey, will not be considered a gun criminal.....that will end. Criminals with a record of crime, caught with a gun will get 30 years, no deals.....and criminals who use guns for actual crime...robbing the local store, rape, robbery, murder.....life without parole...

This, of course, eliminates the need for more gun control laws...we can already do this.....

Mass shooters are rarely caught alive. Would you take their lifeless corpse and bury I in a prison yard?

In other words, most mass shooters pay their debt to society for their crime.

And his victims are just the price of living in a society broken by politics and obsessed with reading the constitution as a suicide pact.

93 people in 2018......total

knives murdered over 1,500 people every single year....when will you belly ache about knife murder?

Lawn mowers kill over 75 people every single year...

Cars, over 38,000 people......

93.....that is what you call a problem...when democrats, in democrat voting districts are killing each other in the majority of the 10,982 gun murders in 2017......

Can you tell which number is bigger?

 

[2aguy]

Universal background checks...really
Especially because the most recent Texas shooting involved a creep who couldn't pass a background check and bought his weapon of mass murder by going around it and buying "privately"

What makes you think a law requiring a background check on private sales would have stopped that shooting?

ALL gun sales should have to go through the background check procedure

This shooting would not have happened had the FBI arrested the shooter upon notification of the failure of his background check - that is, his attempt to illegally purchase a firearm and his commission of perjury on his 4473.

There's no sound support for the argument that we need new laws until the existing laws are fully enforced.

If the asshole who sold him the gun had put the sale through a background check the gun wouldn't have been sold.

No gun no mass shooting dumass

Wrong....the guy knew he couldn't own that gun, and we already have laws that allow us to arrest him......

 

[Lesh]

So your claim is that mass shootings just aren't a big deal?

 

[charwin95]

Progressives want Background checks on all private sales. Why? Who pays for that? Paying for an right?
That is definitely unconstitutional and absolutely ridiculous.

Any type of waiting period on an right? I don’t think so, definitely unconstitutional and absolutely ridiculous.
No one should have to wait more than seconds to purchase their firearms.

Obviously universal background checks I have nothing to do with firearms… Like always... it’s always been about control.
The ******* spineless gun grabbers can pound sand... lol

Something need to be done. All these massacres that you supported need to be stop. All you want is to sell more arms and you don’t give a rats ass whatever happened to this country or these kids. People like you are part of the problem.

I’m not saying I’m taking your second amendments but for Christ sake. This got to stop.

One way or the other you will become instinct.

Lol
More frivolous gun control laws will not save a single soul...

Something need to be done. Or the system itself will do it for you.

Look at Walmart made a big move stop selling firearms and ammunition’s.

Next is to outlaw your business and you.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

I have no problem with Universal Back Ground checks as long as the government makes it free for everyone who isn't a dealer. After all it is about safety not money right?

 

[M14 Shooter]

This bears repeating
We HAD an assault weapons ban for ten years and mass shooting did go down...and rose dramatically since the ban expired

This bears repeating:
You know you cannot meaningfully address post # 347.

 

[M14 Shooter]

So your claim is that mass shootings just aren't a big deal?

What's that?
Can't address post #347?

 

[HappyJoy]

This is one of those common sense gun control laws we've been talking about that almost everyone (except here) agrees on is that all sales should require a background check.

Sure, he failed one before in 2014? Should he have gone to jail for that? Maybe, sure. But he didn't and there was no way to force a background check the second time.

 

[Leo123]

Your Queen is your 'god' ain't she Daryl? All rights come from the Crown. Right?

I didn't ask where I get MY rights from. I asked where YOU get YOUR rights from. Now answer that question.

Well I’m asking YOU. Our Founders referred to a Creator. The Crown is your ‘Creator.’ Morality must then be whatever the ‘chosen’ decide for you.

The question of where I get my rights from is not in question here. Not once have I tried to claim that it's my Right to do anything in this discussion. Meanwhile, you have stated that this whole thing was in violation of your rights. Where do you get those rights from? Stop squirming and answer that question.

I TOLD you Daryl. Wake up.

No you didn't. You just answered the question with a question. Now where do you get YOUR rights. Is it God Given?

No I answered you. Hint: it has to do with the Founders. Maybe you should study up on America. You really are making a fool of yourself Daryl.

 

[Defiant1]

So your claim is that mass shootings just aren't a big deal?

You would save 1000s of lives making it illegal for women to drive...

 

[M14 Shooter]

This is one of those common sense gun control laws...

This is a lie, as there is no sense to the law whatsoever.

 

[HappyJoy]

This is one of those common sense gun control laws...

This is a lie, as there is no sense to the law whatsoever.

I agree, there is no sense to the current law where private sales are not subjected to a background check.

 

[M14 Shooter]

This is one of those common sense gun control laws...

This is a lie, as there is no sense to the law whatsoever.

I agree, there is no sense to the current law where private sales are not subjected to a background check.

Look at you, deliberately misunderstanding my post.

Universal background checks are unenforceable, and so those already selling guns illegally will not be affected.
There no sense at all to be found in a law than cannot be enforced and will not achieve its states purpose.
Thus, there's no sense at all to be found in universal background checks.

 

[HappyJoy]

This is one of those common sense gun control laws...

This is a lie, as there is no sense to the law whatsoever.

I agree, there is no sense to the current law where private sales are not subjected to a background check.

Look at you, deliberately misunderstanding my post.

Universal background checks are unenforceable, and so those already selling guns illegally will not be affected.
There no sense at all to be found in a law than cannot be enforced and will not achieve its states purpose.
Thus, there's no sense at all to be found in universal background checks.

The shooter looked to a legal means to purchase a gun. All he had to do was tell a little lie. The seller should have performed a background check.

I'd be curious to know how many guns sold in private sales end up in the hands of criminals and on the black market.

Anyway, this is something most Americans want.

 

[Defiant1]

This is one of those common sense gun control laws...

This is a lie, as there is no sense to the law whatsoever.

I agree, there is no sense to the current law where private sales are not subjected to a background check.

People who have had their rights removed, felons or mental incompetents cannot legally purchase or possess a firearm under current law.

We don't need any additional laws.

 

[HappyJoy]

This is one of those common sense gun control laws...

This is a lie, as there is no sense to the law whatsoever.

I agree, there is no sense to the current law where private sales are not subjected to a background check.

People who have had their rights removed, felons or mental incompetents cannot legally purchase or possess a firearm under current law.

We don't need any additional laws.

How does the private seller find out?

 

[Defiant1]

This is one of those common sense gun control laws...

This is a lie, as there is no sense to the law whatsoever.

I agree, there is no sense to the current law where private sales are not subjected to a background check.

People who have had their rights removed, felons or mental incompetents cannot legally purchase or possess a firearm under current law.

We don't need any additional laws.

How does the private seller find out?

He doesn't need to find out, IT'S ILLEGAL FOR THE PERSON TO PURCHASE THE FIREARM. It the person has had their rights removed they wouldn't be purchasing the firearm. There's a law and they have been informed of the law.

 

[M14 Shooter]

This is one of those common sense gun control laws...

This is a lie, as there is no sense to the law whatsoever.

I agree, there is no sense to the current law where private sales are not subjected to a background check.

Look at you, deliberately misunderstanding my post.

Universal background checks are unenforceable, and so those already selling guns illegally will not be affected.
There no sense at all to be found in a law than cannot be enforced and will not achieve its states purpose.
Thus, there's no sense at all to be found in universal background checks.

The shooter looked to a legal means to purchase a gun...

None of this changes the fact there's no sense at all to be found in universal background checks, or the fact you failed - and utterly so - to address in any way the argument to that effect.

 

[HappyJoy]

This is one of those common sense gun control laws...

This is a lie, as there is no sense to the law whatsoever.

I agree, there is no sense to the current law where private sales are not subjected to a background check.

People who have had their rights removed, felons or mental incompetents cannot legally purchase or possess a firearm under current law.

We don't need any additional laws.

How does the private seller find out?

He doesn't need to find out, IT'S ILLEGAL FOR THE PERSON TO PURCHASE THE FIREARM. It the person has had their rights removed they wouldn't be purchasing the firearm. There's a law and they have been informed of the law.

Well, as you guys keep saying, criminals will break laws. Perhaps the guy trying to legally sell one would follow the law.

 

[HappyJoy]

This is one of those common sense gun control laws...

This is a lie, as there is no sense to the law whatsoever.

I agree, there is no sense to the current law where private sales are not subjected to a background check.

Look at you, deliberately misunderstanding my post.

Universal background checks are unenforceable, and so those already selling guns illegally will not be affected.
There no sense at all to be found in a law than cannot be enforced and will not achieve its states purpose.
Thus, there's no sense at all to be found in universal background checks.

The shooter looked to a legal means to purchase a gun...

None of this changes the fact there's no sense at all to be found in universal background checks, or the fact you failed - and utterly so - to address in any way the argument to that effect.

He failed a background check, that seems to have worked the first time. Though I think the NICS system probably has some holes to be patched. Anyway, it'd be nice if we didn't give criminals such an easy way to buy a gun from a law abiding citizen.