Universal background checks... really?

[Care4all]

I think those buying guns should have X amount of training as well.....

Kids at 11 or 12 can go hunting here in Maine, but they have to take a course first..

why should gun shops have to go thru back ground checks for buyers and those selling at gun shows not have to do the same, with whom they are selling to?

It makes the Gun Shops background requirements useless, unless background checks are universal, imo.

How many times do you have to be told.....all gun sellers at gun shows have to do background checks.

Private property owners can sell their private property without a background check, they can do that in the parking lot, across the street or at a local Denny's.....

You don't know what you are talking about.....

Do you understand that criminals do not buy their guns at gun shows or from private sellers?

yep.


Gun show loophole is a political term in the United States referring to the sale of firearms by private sellers, including those done at gun shows, that do not meet federal background check requirements. This is dubbed the private sale exemption or "secondary market".

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Why not ban the semi automatic, as they were under Clinton??


Aurora: AR-15
Orlando: AR-15
Parkland: AR-15
Las Vegas: AR-15
Sandy Hook: AR-15
Texas Church: AR-15
San Bernardino: AR-15
Waffle House: AR-15
Santa Fe High School: AR-15
El Passo: AR-15
Dayton: AR-15
Odessa: AR-15

How pays for the background check? It’s unconstitutional to charge for an right

Whatever the cost, the seller pays for it, though it is added in to the price of the gun if they have any business savvy.

JUST LIKE WITH GUN SHOPS....

And it is not unconstitutional for gun shop requirement to do a background check before selling, so your theory of unconstitutionality for personal sales, fails, no?

Lol
I would never charge any customer for a background check... Because it’s unconstitutional to charge for an right

it's incorporated in to the retail mark up, for gun shops.... why shouldn't you do it as well? It's not unconstitutional, btw.

 

[BluesLegend]

Only the rich liberal elite should have ARMED security am I right. Common citizens should be left defenseless, just submit and let criminals rape and murder you.

 

[Rustic]

 

[Rustic]

I think those buying guns should have X amount of training as well.....

Kids at 11 or 12 can go hunting here in Maine, but they have to take a course first..

How many times do you have to be told.....all gun sellers at gun shows have to do background checks.

Private property owners can sell their private property without a background check, they can do that in the parking lot, across the street or at a local Denny's.....

You don't know what you are talking about.....

Do you understand that criminals do not buy their guns at gun shows or from private sellers?

yep.


Gun show loophole is a political term in the United States referring to the sale of firearms by private sellers, including those done at gun shows, that do not meet federal background check requirements. This is dubbed the private sale exemption or "secondary market".

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Why not ban the semi automatic, as they were under Clinton??


Aurora: AR-15
Orlando: AR-15
Parkland: AR-15
Las Vegas: AR-15
Sandy Hook: AR-15
Texas Church: AR-15
San Bernardino: AR-15
Waffle House: AR-15
Santa Fe High School: AR-15
El Passo: AR-15
Dayton: AR-15
Odessa: AR-15

How pays for the background check? It’s unconstitutional to charge for an right

Whatever the cost, the seller pays for it, though it is added in to the price of the gun if they have any business savvy.

JUST LIKE WITH GUN SHOPS....

And it is not unconstitutional for gun shop requirement to do a background check before selling, so your theory of unconstitutionality for personal sales, fails, no?

Lol
I would never charge any customer for a background check... Because it’s unconstitutional to charge for an right

it's incorporated in to the retail mark up, for gun shops.... why shouldn't you do it as well? It's not unconstitutional, btw.

It’s just like charging someone to vote, It makes no sense and is unconstitutional.

No one gets charged for a background check in my store...

 

[Care4all]

I think those buying guns should have X amount of training as well.....

Kids at 11 or 12 can go hunting here in Maine, but they have to take a course first..

yep.


Gun show loophole is a political term in the United States referring to the sale of firearms by private sellers, including those done at gun shows, that do not meet federal background check requirements. This is dubbed the private sale exemption or "secondary market".

---------------------------------------------------------------------------

Why not ban the semi automatic, as they were under Clinton??


Aurora: AR-15
Orlando: AR-15
Parkland: AR-15
Las Vegas: AR-15
Sandy Hook: AR-15
Texas Church: AR-15
San Bernardino: AR-15
Waffle House: AR-15
Santa Fe High School: AR-15
El Passo: AR-15
Dayton: AR-15
Odessa: AR-15

How pays for the background check? It’s unconstitutional to charge for an right

Whatever the cost, the seller pays for it, though it is added in to the price of the gun if they have any business savvy.

JUST LIKE WITH GUN SHOPS....

And it is not unconstitutional for gun shop requirement to do a background check before selling, so your theory of unconstitutionality for personal sales, fails, no?

Lol
I would never charge any customer for a background check... Because it’s unconstitutional to charge for an right

it's incorporated in to the retail mark up, for gun shops.... why shouldn't you do it as well? It's not unconstitutional, btw.

It’s just like charging someone to vote, It makes no sense and is unconstitutional.

No one gets charged for a background check in my store...

It's in your mark up, it's a cost of doing business.... in the end, if your business is making a profit, then your retail sales are paying for ALL of your bills, PLUS giving you a profit.

 

[Rustic]

I think those buying guns should have X amount of training as well.....

Kids at 11 or 12 can go hunting here in Maine, but they have to take a course first..

How pays for the background check? It’s unconstitutional to charge for an right

Whatever the cost, the seller pays for it, though it is added in to the price of the gun if they have any business savvy.

JUST LIKE WITH GUN SHOPS....

And it is not unconstitutional for gun shop requirement to do a background check before selling, so your theory of unconstitutionality for personal sales, fails, no?

Lol
I would never charge any customer for a background check... Because it’s unconstitutional to charge for an right

it's incorporated in to the retail mark up, for gun shops.... why shouldn't you do it as well? It's not unconstitutional, btw.

It’s just like charging someone to vote, It makes no sense and is unconstitutional.

No one gets charged for a background check in my store...

It's in your mark up, it's a cost of doing business.... in the end, if your business is making a profit, then your retail sales are paying for ALL of your bills, PLUS giving you a profit.

Lol
If someone buys a firearm from me I don’t charge them a penny for a background check, But if someone brings in a firearm that they bought from someone else I’m not gonna run a background check. I don’t want that liability... simple as that

 

[HappyJoy]

This is one of those common sense gun control laws...

This is a lie, as there is no sense to the law whatsoever.

I agree, there is no sense to the current law where private sales are not subjected to a background check.

Lol
Who pays for the background checks? Having to pay for an right is all kinds of fucked up... and is unconstitutional

I would assume the buyer.

 

[Rustic]

This is one of those common sense gun control laws...

This is a lie, as there is no sense to the law whatsoever.

I agree, there is no sense to the current law where private sales are not subjected to a background check.

Lol
Who pays for the background checks? Having to pay for an right is all kinds of fucked up... and is unconstitutional

I would assume the buyer.

What about the liability?

 

[HappyJoy]

I agree, there is no sense to the current law where private sales are not subjected to a background check.

Look at you, deliberately misunderstanding my post.

Universal background checks are unenforceable, and so those already selling guns illegally will not be affected.
There no sense at all to be found in a law than cannot be enforced and will not achieve its states purpose.
Thus, there's no sense at all to be found in universal background checks.

The shooter looked to a legal means to purchase a gun...

None of this changes the fact there's no sense at all to be found in universal background checks, or the fact you failed - and utterly so - to address in any way the argument to that effect.

He failed a background check, that seems to have worked the first time. Though I think the NICS system probably has some holes to be patched. Anyway, it'd be nice if we didn't give criminals such an easy way to buy a gun from a law abiding citizen.

Oh, Fred, I failed my Background check. You got a weapon and some ammo and some mags I can borrow? Sure, Steve, help yourself. If Gun Owners don't police themselves who will?

They better have a good excuse if that gun turns up in someone else's hands, hate to go to prison for it.

 

[Rustic]

Look at you, deliberately misunderstanding my post.

Universal background checks are unenforceable, and so those already selling guns illegally will not be affected.
There no sense at all to be found in a law than cannot be enforced and will not achieve its states purpose.
Thus, there's no sense at all to be found in universal background checks.

The shooter looked to a legal means to purchase a gun...

None of this changes the fact there's no sense at all to be found in universal background checks, or the fact you failed - and utterly so - to address in any way the argument to that effect.

He failed a background check, that seems to have worked the first time. Though I think the NICS system probably has some holes to be patched. Anyway, it'd be nice if we didn't give criminals such an easy way to buy a gun from a law abiding citizen.

Oh, Fred, I failed my Background check. You got a weapon and some ammo and some mags I can borrow? Sure, Steve, help yourself. If Gun Owners don't police themselves who will?

They better have a good excuse if that gun turns up in someone else's hands, hate to go to prison for it.

Lol
That’s why no retailers are gonna run background checks on firearms they did not sell themselves... I refuse to, I don’t want to deal with the liability

 

[HappyJoy]

This is one of those common sense gun control laws...

This is a lie, as there is no sense to the law whatsoever.

I agree, there is no sense to the current law where private sales are not subjected to a background check.

Lol
Who pays for the background checks? Having to pay for an right is all kinds of fucked up... and is unconstitutional

I would assume the buyer.

What about the liability?

Do you mean the liability of selling a gun to someone who shouldn't have one and then they go on a rampage in West Texas? Don't know about you, but I'd feel like shit.

 

[HappyJoy]

The shooter looked to a legal means to purchase a gun...

None of this changes the fact there's no sense at all to be found in universal background checks, or the fact you failed - and utterly so - to address in any way the argument to that effect.

He failed a background check, that seems to have worked the first time. Though I think the NICS system probably has some holes to be patched. Anyway, it'd be nice if we didn't give criminals such an easy way to buy a gun from a law abiding citizen.

Oh, Fred, I failed my Background check. You got a weapon and some ammo and some mags I can borrow? Sure, Steve, help yourself. If Gun Owners don't police themselves who will?

They better have a good excuse if that gun turns up in someone else's hands, hate to go to prison for it.

Lol
That’s why no retailers are gonna run background checks on firearms they did not sell themselves... I refuse to, I don’t want to deal with the liability

Why would they need to go to a retailer? Why not just your local sheriff's office and they make the call and the buy pays them.

 

[Rustic]

This is a lie, as there is no sense to the law whatsoever.

I agree, there is no sense to the current law where private sales are not subjected to a background check.

Lol
Who pays for the background checks? Having to pay for an right is all kinds of fucked up... and is unconstitutional

I would assume the buyer.

What about the liability?

Do you mean the liability of selling a gun to someone who shouldn't have one and then they go on a rampage in West Texas? Don't know about you, but I'd feel like shit.

No, I don’t trust the FBI they’re incompetent. That’s why I would never run a background check on someone else’s purchase. If I sell something to somebody I know where it comes from. But if someone brings in a firearm they bought from someone else or were given or whatever the reason I refuse... because of liability.

 

[Rustic]

None of this changes the fact there's no sense at all to be found in universal background checks, or the fact you failed - and utterly so - to address in any way the argument to that effect.

He failed a background check, that seems to have worked the first time. Though I think the NICS system probably has some holes to be patched. Anyway, it'd be nice if we didn't give criminals such an easy way to buy a gun from a law abiding citizen.

Oh, Fred, I failed my Background check. You got a weapon and some ammo and some mags I can borrow? Sure, Steve, help yourself. If Gun Owners don't police themselves who will?

They better have a good excuse if that gun turns up in someone else's hands, hate to go to prison for it.

Lol
That’s why no retailers are gonna run background checks on firearms they did not sell themselves... I refuse to, I don’t want to deal with the liability

Why would they need to go to a retailer? Why not just your local sheriff's office and they make the call and the buy pays them.

The Sheriff is not gonna do any such thing, It’s not their job.

 

[HappyJoy]

I agree, there is no sense to the current law where private sales are not subjected to a background check.

Lol
Who pays for the background checks? Having to pay for an right is all kinds of fucked up... and is unconstitutional

I would assume the buyer.

What about the liability?

Do you mean the liability of selling a gun to someone who shouldn't have one and then they go on a rampage in West Texas? Don't know about you, but I'd feel like shit.

No, I don’t trust the FBI they’re incompetent. That’s why I would never run a background check on someone else’s purchase. If I sell something to somebody I know work comes from. But if someone brings in a firearm they bought from someone else or were given or whatever the reason I refuse... because of liability.

I don't think it would really be up to you.

 

[HappyJoy]

He failed a background check, that seems to have worked the first time. Though I think the NICS system probably has some holes to be patched. Anyway, it'd be nice if we didn't give criminals such an easy way to buy a gun from a law abiding citizen.

Oh, Fred, I failed my Background check. You got a weapon and some ammo and some mags I can borrow? Sure, Steve, help yourself. If Gun Owners don't police themselves who will?

They better have a good excuse if that gun turns up in someone else's hands, hate to go to prison for it.

Lol
That’s why no retailers are gonna run background checks on firearms they did not sell themselves... I refuse to, I don’t want to deal with the liability

Why would they need to go to a retailer? Why not just your local sheriff's office and they make the call and the buy pays them.

The Sheriff is not gonna do any such thing, It’s not their job.

Ok, if you insist then the drive could be all the way to the local ATF office, I'm sure a local municipality could handle it, they could tack a couple bucks on to make the phone call.

 

[Rustic]

Oh, Fred, I failed my Background check. You got a weapon and some ammo and some mags I can borrow? Sure, Steve, help yourself. If Gun Owners don't police themselves who will?

They better have a good excuse if that gun turns up in someone else's hands, hate to go to prison for it.

Lol
That’s why no retailers are gonna run background checks on firearms they did not sell themselves... I refuse to, I don’t want to deal with the liability

Why would they need to go to a retailer? Why not just your local sheriff's office and they make the call and the buy pays them.

The Sheriff is not gonna do any such thing, It’s not their job.

Ok, if you insist then the drive could be all the way to the local ATF office, I'm sure a local municipality could handle it, they could tack a couple bucks on to make the phone call.

Lol
You don’t understand how it works do you?

 

[HappyJoy]

They better have a good excuse if that gun turns up in someone else's hands, hate to go to prison for it.

Lol
That’s why no retailers are gonna run background checks on firearms they did not sell themselves... I refuse to, I don’t want to deal with the liability

Why would they need to go to a retailer? Why not just your local sheriff's office and they make the call and the buy pays them.

The Sheriff is not gonna do any such thing, It’s not their job.

Ok, if you insist then the drive could be all the way to the local ATF office, I'm sure a local municipality could handle it, they could tack a couple bucks on to make the phone call.

Lol
You don’t understand how it works do you?

I do. In retail the seller makes a call, gets the OK and sells the gun. It takes pretty much no time at all. In a private sale it would probably take a little more time, not much. Probably less than signing over a car.

 

[Rustic]

Lol
That’s why no retailers are gonna run background checks on firearms they did not sell themselves... I refuse to, I don’t want to deal with the liability

Why would they need to go to a retailer? Why not just your local sheriff's office and they make the call and the buy pays them.

The Sheriff is not gonna do any such thing, It’s not their job.

Ok, if you insist then the drive could be all the way to the local ATF office, I'm sure a local municipality could handle it, they could tack a couple bucks on to make the phone call.

Lol
You don’t understand how it works do you?

I do. In retail the seller makes a call, gets the OK and sells the gun. It takes pretty much no time at all. In a private sale it would probably take a little more time, not much. Probably less than signing over a car.

Lol
On average it takes around 4 minutes To run a background check just in my store, which is entirely too long it should take seconds... tops.

There is no reason to run background checks on private sales, federal government is just gonna **** it up. Especially in rural American where are you going to go? Little gun shops like mine are going to refuse to run background checks on private sales because of liability.

 

[HappyJoy]

Why would they need to go to a retailer? Why not just your local sheriff's office and they make the call and the buy pays them.

The Sheriff is not gonna do any such thing, It’s not their job.

Ok, if you insist then the drive could be all the way to the local ATF office, I'm sure a local municipality could handle it, they could tack a couple bucks on to make the phone call.

Lol
You don’t understand how it works do you?

I do. In retail the seller makes a call, gets the OK and sells the gun. It takes pretty much no time at all. In a private sale it would probably take a little more time, not much. Probably less than signing over a car.

Lol
On average it takes around 4 minutes To run a background check just in my store, which is entirely too long it should take seconds... tops.

There is no reason to run background checks on private sales, federal governments just gonna **** it up. Especially in rural American where are you going to go? Little gun shops like mine are going to refuse to run background checks on private sales because of liability.

Apparently not running background checks tends to get people murdered, so I don't give a **** if you're impatient. Plus by far most Americans think all gun purchases should require one. Don't worry, you've still got plenty of time to get used to the idea.