Universal background checks... really?

[Nosmo King]

Still waiting for the solutions from the right wing on how to stop our near weekly massacres.

lol
Shit happens, Only a fool thinks more frivolous gun control laws will save a single soul

There is no way to measure how many lives were saved by the waiting period, the current insufficient background checks, etc…. We should at least try something instead of being resigned to shrugging our shoulders at the massacres.

Ah, so you don't know if anything you suggest would stop anything, but you're determined to do "something".

What's the solution?

I support a life sentence on any criminal who uses a gun for an actual gun crime..... and 30 years if a criminal is caught in possession of a gun, even if they are not using it at that moment for crime.
This will dry up gun crime over night. Criminals will stop using guns for robberies, rapes and murders.....and those who do will be gone forever......

Criminals will also stop walking around with guns in their pants......which is the leading cause of random gang shootings in our cities. if they are stopped by police, with a gun in their pants, they are gone for 30 years...they will stop carrying those guns, and random gang violence will end.

You implement this with two other things...

1) No More Bargaining Away the Gun Charge.........it must be against the law to bargain away a gun charge as part of a plea deal....this stops.

2) When a criminal is arrested for any crime, and booked in...they will be read the announcement that any use of a crime is a life sentence without parole, owning or carrying a gun as a felon is a 30 year sentence without parole....when they are released from custody...the same will be read to them again....when they meet their parole officer it will be read to them again.....the U.S. government will also buy and send out Public announcements on this policy on t.v. radio. and cable......

That is how you stop gun crime over night.

Mass shooters are different..... but with only 93 people killed in mass public shootings in 2018, they are not the major problem in gun crime.

The value in my plan......it actually targets the individuals actually using guns to commit crimes and murder people....

It does not require new background check laws, it does not require gun licensing, licensing gun owners, gun registration, new taxes, fees or regulations on guns...

By making gun crime a life sentence, criminals will stop using guns for crime and will stop carrying guns around for protection.....

Also....a nurse, with a legal gun, driving from Pennsylvania, to New Jersey, will not be considered a gun criminal.....that will end. Criminals with a record of crime, caught with a gun will get 30 years, no deals.....and criminals who use guns for actual crime...robbing the local store, rape, robbery, murder.....life without parole...

This, of course, eliminates the need for more gun control laws...we can already do this.....

Mass shooters are rarely caught alive. Would you take their lifeless corpse and bury I in a prison yard?

 

[Lesh]

Universal background checks...really

Especially because the most recent Texas shooting involved a creep who couldn't pass a background check and bought his weapon of mass murder by going around it and buying "privately"

ALL gun sales should have to go through the background check procedure

 

[2aguy]

lol
Shit happens, Only a fool thinks more frivolous gun control laws will save a single soul

There is no way to measure how many lives were saved by the waiting period, the current insufficient background checks, etc…. We should at least try something instead of being resigned to shrugging our shoulders at the massacres.

Ah, so you don't know if anything you suggest would stop anything, but you're determined to do "something".

What's the solution?

I support a life sentence on any criminal who uses a gun for an actual gun crime..... and 30 years if a criminal is caught in possession of a gun, even if they are not using it at that moment for crime.
This will dry up gun crime over night. Criminals will stop using guns for robberies, rapes and murders.....and those who do will be gone forever......

Criminals will also stop walking around with guns in their pants......which is the leading cause of random gang shootings in our cities. if they are stopped by police, with a gun in their pants, they are gone for 30 years...they will stop carrying those guns, and random gang violence will end.

You implement this with two other things...

1) No More Bargaining Away the Gun Charge.........it must be against the law to bargain away a gun charge as part of a plea deal....this stops.

2) When a criminal is arrested for any crime, and booked in...they will be read the announcement that any use of a crime is a life sentence without parole, owning or carrying a gun as a felon is a 30 year sentence without parole....when they are released from custody...the same will be read to them again....when they meet their parole officer it will be read to them again.....the U.S. government will also buy and send out Public announcements on this policy on t.v. radio. and cable......

That is how you stop gun crime over night.

Mass shooters are different..... but with only 93 people killed in mass public shootings in 2018, they are not the major problem in gun crime.

The value in my plan......it actually targets the individuals actually using guns to commit crimes and murder people....

It does not require new background check laws, it does not require gun licensing, licensing gun owners, gun registration, new taxes, fees or regulations on guns...

By making gun crime a life sentence, criminals will stop using guns for crime and will stop carrying guns around for protection.....

Also....a nurse, with a legal gun, driving from Pennsylvania, to New Jersey, will not be considered a gun criminal.....that will end. Criminals with a record of crime, caught with a gun will get 30 years, no deals.....and criminals who use guns for actual crime...robbing the local store, rape, robbery, murder.....life without parole...

This, of course, eliminates the need for more gun control laws...we can already do this.....

Mass shooters are rarely caught alive. Would you take their lifeless corpse and bury I in a prison yard?

As I pointed out in my thread in the CDZ on my plan....you have two problems...actual criminals, and mass public shooters...

Mass public shootings in 2018..... 12. Number killed, 93.

Actual criminals using illegal guns to murder mostly other criminals...2017..... 10,982 gun murders..

Do you see the difference and which problem is actually bigger?

You stop mass shooters differently than regular criminals.....

1) end gun free zones...their primary targets

2) stop romanticing them and encouraging copycats by refusing to put out details in the press...refer to all future mass shooters as losers in any police statements.

3) improve family awareness of dangerously mentally ill people and help them get the help they need...

That is how you stop mass shooters...

 

[2aguy]

Universal background checks...really

Especially because the most recent Texas shooting involved a creep who couldn't pass a background check and bought his weapon of mass murder by going around it and buying "privately"

ALL gun sales should have to go through the background check procedure

Moron.....he could have purchased that gun illegally from a criminal...no background check, you dope.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Universal background checks...really
Especially because the most recent Texas shooting involved a creep who couldn't pass a background check and bought his weapon of mass murder by going around it and buying "privately"

What makes you think a law requiring a background check on private sales would have stopped that shooting?

ALL gun sales should have to go through the background check procedure

This shooting would not have happened had the FBI arrested the shooter upon notification of the failure of his background check - that is, his attempt to illegally purchase a firearm and his commission of perjury on his 4473.

There's no sound support for the argument that we need new laws until the existing laws are fully enforced.

 

[22lcidw]

The government and local governments are straddling a fine line about defense and removing weapons. Companies should just move the hell out that want to and go to more friendly areas. Its like they look at government rules and regulations that are a million pages. Then if they get smart they can remove half of them easily to move to an area they would be appreciated. Look at NASA and private companies. NASA is moribund today. Hampered by modern extreme social justice regs and rules that other space faring nations laugh at. But we pay much of the bills so they do it behind our backs.

 

[Nosmo King]

There is no way to measure how many lives were saved by the waiting period, the current insufficient background checks, etc…. We should at least try something instead of being resigned to shrugging our shoulders at the massacres.

Ah, so you don't know if anything you suggest would stop anything, but you're determined to do "something".

What's the solution?

I support a life sentence on any criminal who uses a gun for an actual gun crime..... and 30 years if a criminal is caught in possession of a gun, even if they are not using it at that moment for crime.
This will dry up gun crime over night. Criminals will stop using guns for robberies, rapes and murders.....and those who do will be gone forever......

Criminals will also stop walking around with guns in their pants......which is the leading cause of random gang shootings in our cities. if they are stopped by police, with a gun in their pants, they are gone for 30 years...they will stop carrying those guns, and random gang violence will end.

You implement this with two other things...

1) No More Bargaining Away the Gun Charge.........it must be against the law to bargain away a gun charge as part of a plea deal....this stops.

2) When a criminal is arrested for any crime, and booked in...they will be read the announcement that any use of a crime is a life sentence without parole, owning or carrying a gun as a felon is a 30 year sentence without parole....when they are released from custody...the same will be read to them again....when they meet their parole officer it will be read to them again.....the U.S. government will also buy and send out Public announcements on this policy on t.v. radio. and cable......

That is how you stop gun crime over night.

Mass shooters are different..... but with only 93 people killed in mass public shootings in 2018, they are not the major problem in gun crime.

The value in my plan......it actually targets the individuals actually using guns to commit crimes and murder people....

It does not require new background check laws, it does not require gun licensing, licensing gun owners, gun registration, new taxes, fees or regulations on guns...

By making gun crime a life sentence, criminals will stop using guns for crime and will stop carrying guns around for protection.....

Also....a nurse, with a legal gun, driving from Pennsylvania, to New Jersey, will not be considered a gun criminal.....that will end. Criminals with a record of crime, caught with a gun will get 30 years, no deals.....and criminals who use guns for actual crime...robbing the local store, rape, robbery, murder.....life without parole...

This, of course, eliminates the need for more gun control laws...we can already do this.....

Mass shooters are rarely caught alive. Would you take their lifeless corpse and bury I in a prison yard?

As I pointed out in my thread in the CDZ on my plan....you have two problems...actual criminals, and mass public shooters...

Mass public shootings in 2018..... 12. Number killed, 93.

Actual criminals using illegal guns to murder mostly other criminals...2017..... 10,982 gun murders..

Do you see the difference and which problem is actually bigger?

You stop mass shooters differently than regular criminals.....

1) end gun free zones...their primary targets

2) stop romanticing them and encouraging copycats by refusing to put out details in the press...refer to all future mass shooters as losers in any police statements.

3) improve family awareness of dangerously mentally ill people and help them get the help they need...

That is how you stop mass shooters...

Dayton Ohio

Nine killed, over 20 wounded in less than 45 seconds. Could the weapon be factored in when considering these facts?

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Oh, you did. Now exactly where do you get those rights? Do you get them from your God? What if I don't worship the same God, does that mean I don't have the same rights? Or how about an athiest, does that mean they have none of those rights? Where do you get those rights, who gives them to you? Let's face it, the Rights you harbor aren't really in the Constitution of the United States the way you keep bringing it up. That means you must be getting them from somewhere else?

Your Queen is your 'god' ain't she Daryl? All rights come from the Crown. Right?

I didn't ask where I get MY rights from. I asked where YOU get YOUR rights from. Now answer that question.

Well I’m asking YOU. Our Founders referred to a Creator. The Crown is your ‘Creator.’ Morality must then be whatever the ‘chosen’ decide for you.

The question of where I get my rights from is not in question here. Not once have I tried to claim that it's my Right to do anything in this discussion. Meanwhile, you have stated that this whole thing was in violation of your rights. Where do you get those rights from? Stop squirming and answer that question.

The real question is where does the government get the right to restrict gun ownership from. The answer is from the people, and the American people are not about to give up their guns just because Democrats need a political issue for the next election.

If you make the legal purchase of guns so difficult that criminal and crazies can't purchase them legally, you will also create a strong black market for the illegal purchase of guns, just as laws that restricted alcohol and drugs created strong criminal subcultures for the illegal sales of these items, and the only way to stop the illegal purchase of guns is to have a strong police presence on the streets where such purchases are most likely to happen, that is in poor minority neighborhoods, and the Democrats are opposed to that, so the whole issue of more restrictive gun laws is just a way for Democrats to avoid doing anything substantial about violent crime. Not all neighborhoods in Chicago have the same per capita murder rate but all enjoy the same availability of guns, so obviously the availability of guns is not the deciding factor in violent crime.

No, the real question is still Who or where do you get your claimed Rights from that you keep hammering the rest of us with?

 

[2aguy]

Ah, so you don't know if anything you suggest would stop anything, but you're determined to do "something".

What's the solution?

I support a life sentence on any criminal who uses a gun for an actual gun crime..... and 30 years if a criminal is caught in possession of a gun, even if they are not using it at that moment for crime.
This will dry up gun crime over night. Criminals will stop using guns for robberies, rapes and murders.....and those who do will be gone forever......

Criminals will also stop walking around with guns in their pants......which is the leading cause of random gang shootings in our cities. if they are stopped by police, with a gun in their pants, they are gone for 30 years...they will stop carrying those guns, and random gang violence will end.

You implement this with two other things...

1) No More Bargaining Away the Gun Charge.........it must be against the law to bargain away a gun charge as part of a plea deal....this stops.

2) When a criminal is arrested for any crime, and booked in...they will be read the announcement that any use of a crime is a life sentence without parole, owning or carrying a gun as a felon is a 30 year sentence without parole....when they are released from custody...the same will be read to them again....when they meet their parole officer it will be read to them again.....the U.S. government will also buy and send out Public announcements on this policy on t.v. radio. and cable......

That is how you stop gun crime over night.

Mass shooters are different..... but with only 93 people killed in mass public shootings in 2018, they are not the major problem in gun crime.

The value in my plan......it actually targets the individuals actually using guns to commit crimes and murder people....

It does not require new background check laws, it does not require gun licensing, licensing gun owners, gun registration, new taxes, fees or regulations on guns...

By making gun crime a life sentence, criminals will stop using guns for crime and will stop carrying guns around for protection.....

Also....a nurse, with a legal gun, driving from Pennsylvania, to New Jersey, will not be considered a gun criminal.....that will end. Criminals with a record of crime, caught with a gun will get 30 years, no deals.....and criminals who use guns for actual crime...robbing the local store, rape, robbery, murder.....life without parole...

This, of course, eliminates the need for more gun control laws...we can already do this.....

Mass shooters are rarely caught alive. Would you take their lifeless corpse and bury I in a prison yard?

As I pointed out in my thread in the CDZ on my plan....you have two problems...actual criminals, and mass public shooters...

Mass public shootings in 2018..... 12. Number killed, 93.

Actual criminals using illegal guns to murder mostly other criminals...2017..... 10,982 gun murders..

Do you see the difference and which problem is actually bigger?

You stop mass shooters differently than regular criminals.....

1) end gun free zones...their primary targets

2) stop romanticing them and encouraging copycats by refusing to put out details in the press...refer to all future mass shooters as losers in any police statements.

3) improve family awareness of dangerously mentally ill people and help them get the help they need...

That is how you stop mass shooters...

Dayton Ohio

Nine killed, over 20 wounded in less than 45 seconds. Could the weapon be factored in when considering these facts?

No.....the choice of location dictates the number killed and the police response time....

Russia, the polytechnic shooter...... a pump action, tube fed, 5 shot shotgun..... 20 killed and 40 injured....

Virginia Tech.... 2 pistols, 32 killed.

Luby's Cafe....24 killed, 2 pistols....

In the worst mass shootings, the killer attacked a gun free zone and had more than enough time before people with guns arrived to make him stop......

 

[2aguy]

Ah, so you don't know if anything you suggest would stop anything, but you're determined to do "something".

What's the solution?

I support a life sentence on any criminal who uses a gun for an actual gun crime..... and 30 years if a criminal is caught in possession of a gun, even if they are not using it at that moment for crime.
This will dry up gun crime over night. Criminals will stop using guns for robberies, rapes and murders.....and those who do will be gone forever......

Criminals will also stop walking around with guns in their pants......which is the leading cause of random gang shootings in our cities. if they are stopped by police, with a gun in their pants, they are gone for 30 years...they will stop carrying those guns, and random gang violence will end.

You implement this with two other things...

1) No More Bargaining Away the Gun Charge.........it must be against the law to bargain away a gun charge as part of a plea deal....this stops.

2) When a criminal is arrested for any crime, and booked in...they will be read the announcement that any use of a crime is a life sentence without parole, owning or carrying a gun as a felon is a 30 year sentence without parole....when they are released from custody...the same will be read to them again....when they meet their parole officer it will be read to them again.....the U.S. government will also buy and send out Public announcements on this policy on t.v. radio. and cable......

That is how you stop gun crime over night.

Mass shooters are different..... but with only 93 people killed in mass public shootings in 2018, they are not the major problem in gun crime.

The value in my plan......it actually targets the individuals actually using guns to commit crimes and murder people....

It does not require new background check laws, it does not require gun licensing, licensing gun owners, gun registration, new taxes, fees or regulations on guns...

By making gun crime a life sentence, criminals will stop using guns for crime and will stop carrying guns around for protection.....

Also....a nurse, with a legal gun, driving from Pennsylvania, to New Jersey, will not be considered a gun criminal.....that will end. Criminals with a record of crime, caught with a gun will get 30 years, no deals.....and criminals who use guns for actual crime...robbing the local store, rape, robbery, murder.....life without parole...

This, of course, eliminates the need for more gun control laws...we can already do this.....

Mass shooters are rarely caught alive. Would you take their lifeless corpse and bury I in a prison yard?

As I pointed out in my thread in the CDZ on my plan....you have two problems...actual criminals, and mass public shooters...

Mass public shootings in 2018..... 12. Number killed, 93.

Actual criminals using illegal guns to murder mostly other criminals...2017..... 10,982 gun murders..

Do you see the difference and which problem is actually bigger?

You stop mass shooters differently than regular criminals.....

1) end gun free zones...their primary targets

2) stop romanticing them and encouraging copycats by refusing to put out details in the press...refer to all future mass shooters as losers in any police statements.

3) improve family awareness of dangerously mentally ill people and help them get the help they need...

That is how you stop mass shooters...

Dayton Ohio

Nine killed, over 20 wounded in less than 45 seconds. Could the weapon be factored in when considering these facts?

Tokyo, Japan.... 33 killed with gasoline.....could that weapon be factored in considering these facts?

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Like I said, you can't have it both ways. It's is or it isn't.

Yes, and like I said, you apparently don't know what rights are or where they come from, otherwise you'd have realized that I already refuted your post and Timmy's.

Not that there was any content in yours.

Oh, you did. Now exactly where do you get those rights? Do you get them from your God? What if I don't worship the same God, does that mean I don't have the same rights? Or how about an athiest, does that mean they have none of those rights? Where do you get those rights, who gives them to you? Let's face it, the Rights you harbor aren't really in the Constitution of the United States the way you keep bringing it up. That means you must be getting them from somewhere else?

Nowhere in my post did I mention God, stop trying to construct a strawman.

Nobody can give rights, that's actually retarded. A person cannot give what they don't have, so claiming they have to come from someone else is circular logic. I specifically stated that they're inherent to the individual, and demonstrable by their agency. The fact that people can act of their own free will shows that they are self-owning agents, and being a self-owning agent demonstrates that they have individual rights.

I never mentioned the Constitution, either. Quote one sentence in any recent post of mine in which I claim that the Constitution grants rights. Just one.

I'll go ahead and save you some time; The Constitution does not grant rights. Just like someone else cannot give something they don't have, a piece of paper cannot do that either. The Constitution isn't even a legitimate document, nobody consented to it, and implicit consent does not exist.

I understand your english comprehension may be sorely lacking, since you apparently don't understand the word "inherent" or "demonstrable". Try reading my previous posts again, and use Google to understand the words I used so that you don't keep making the same mistake, champ.

You are squirming. Where did you get those RIGHTS you keep saying are yours?

They are INHERENT to ourselves demonstrated by our agency, through our self-ownership.

Since you're apparently incredibly dense, I'll give you examples. The fact that you chose to sit down and write that pathetic excuse for a reply that didn't address any of my arguments in any way shows that you're a self-owning agent. You therefor demonstrated that because it required no initiation of force, you have a right to do that. You can demonstrate that you own the device which you used to perform that task, you demonstrated that every keystroke was of your own accord.

As said earlier, in yet another post that flew over your head, each right only ends where another agent's begins, meaning that if someone requires an initiation of force or coercion, it is not a right.

I also explained that rights cannot come from another source since something which is not had cannot be given, so the fact that you keep asking where they came from every time I articulate that they're inherent only shows you either didn't read my post, it keeps flying over your head, or you're intentionally missing the point.

YOu need to answer my question of where do you get your "Rights" from? Then we can procede with the discussion. Otherwise, there is nothing to discuss.

 

[2aguy]

Ah, so you don't know if anything you suggest would stop anything, but you're determined to do "something".

What's the solution?

I support a life sentence on any criminal who uses a gun for an actual gun crime..... and 30 years if a criminal is caught in possession of a gun, even if they are not using it at that moment for crime.
This will dry up gun crime over night. Criminals will stop using guns for robberies, rapes and murders.....and those who do will be gone forever......

Criminals will also stop walking around with guns in their pants......which is the leading cause of random gang shootings in our cities. if they are stopped by police, with a gun in their pants, they are gone for 30 years...they will stop carrying those guns, and random gang violence will end.

You implement this with two other things...

1) No More Bargaining Away the Gun Charge.........it must be against the law to bargain away a gun charge as part of a plea deal....this stops.

2) When a criminal is arrested for any crime, and booked in...they will be read the announcement that any use of a crime is a life sentence without parole, owning or carrying a gun as a felon is a 30 year sentence without parole....when they are released from custody...the same will be read to them again....when they meet their parole officer it will be read to them again.....the U.S. government will also buy and send out Public announcements on this policy on t.v. radio. and cable......

That is how you stop gun crime over night.

Mass shooters are different..... but with only 93 people killed in mass public shootings in 2018, they are not the major problem in gun crime.

The value in my plan......it actually targets the individuals actually using guns to commit crimes and murder people....

It does not require new background check laws, it does not require gun licensing, licensing gun owners, gun registration, new taxes, fees or regulations on guns...

By making gun crime a life sentence, criminals will stop using guns for crime and will stop carrying guns around for protection.....

Also....a nurse, with a legal gun, driving from Pennsylvania, to New Jersey, will not be considered a gun criminal.....that will end. Criminals with a record of crime, caught with a gun will get 30 years, no deals.....and criminals who use guns for actual crime...robbing the local store, rape, robbery, murder.....life without parole...

This, of course, eliminates the need for more gun control laws...we can already do this.....

Mass shooters are rarely caught alive. Would you take their lifeless corpse and bury I in a prison yard?

As I pointed out in my thread in the CDZ on my plan....you have two problems...actual criminals, and mass public shooters...

Mass public shootings in 2018..... 12. Number killed, 93.

Actual criminals using illegal guns to murder mostly other criminals...2017..... 10,982 gun murders..

Do you see the difference and which problem is actually bigger?

You stop mass shooters differently than regular criminals.....

1) end gun free zones...their primary targets

2) stop romanticing them and encouraging copycats by refusing to put out details in the press...refer to all future mass shooters as losers in any police statements.

3) improve family awareness of dangerously mentally ill people and help them get the help they need...

That is how you stop mass shooters...

Dayton Ohio

Nine killed, over 20 wounded in less than 45 seconds. Could the weapon be factored in when considering these facts?

Fire is deadlier than guns......more killed in this fire than shot at Vegas.....and it didn't take a 1,000 dollar rifle to do it...


6 Infamous Arsonists and How They Got Caught

Julio Gonzalez
Number of Fires: One
People Killed: 87

Story:

After immigrating to New York City during the Mariel Boatlift in 1980,

26 killed in arson attack in Mexico...

 

[Defiant1]

lol
Shit happens, Only a fool thinks more frivolous gun control laws will save a single soul

There is no way to measure how many lives were saved by the waiting period, the current insufficient background checks, etc…. We should at least try something instead of being resigned to shrugging our shoulders at the massacres.

Ah, so you don't know if anything you suggest would stop anything, but you're determined to do "something".

What's the solution?

I support a life sentence on any criminal who uses a gun for an actual gun crime..... and 30 years if a criminal is caught in possession of a gun, even if they are not using it at that moment for crime.
This will dry up gun crime over night. Criminals will stop using guns for robberies, rapes and murders.....and those who do will be gone forever......

Criminals will also stop walking around with guns in their pants......which is the leading cause of random gang shootings in our cities. if they are stopped by police, with a gun in their pants, they are gone for 30 years...they will stop carrying those guns, and random gang violence will end.

You implement this with two other things...

1) No More Bargaining Away the Gun Charge.........it must be against the law to bargain away a gun charge as part of a plea deal....this stops.

2) When a criminal is arrested for any crime, and booked in...they will be read the announcement that any use of a crime is a life sentence without parole, owning or carrying a gun as a felon is a 30 year sentence without parole....when they are released from custody...the same will be read to them again....when they meet their parole officer it will be read to them again.....the U.S. government will also buy and send out Public announcements on this policy on t.v. radio. and cable......

That is how you stop gun crime over night.

Mass shooters are different..... but with only 93 people killed in mass public shootings in 2018, they are not the major problem in gun crime.

The value in my plan......it actually targets the individuals actually using guns to commit crimes and murder people....

It does not require new background check laws, it does not require gun licensing, licensing gun owners, gun registration, new taxes, fees or regulations on guns...

By making gun crime a life sentence, criminals will stop using guns for crime and will stop carrying guns around for protection.....

Also....a nurse, with a legal gun, driving from Pennsylvania, to New Jersey, will not be considered a gun criminal.....that will end. Criminals with a record of crime, caught with a gun will get 30 years, no deals.....and criminals who use guns for actual crime...robbing the local store, rape, robbery, murder.....life without parole...

This, of course, eliminates the need for more gun control laws...we can already do this.....

Mass shooters are rarely caught alive. Would you take their lifeless corpse and bury I in a prison yard?

In other words, most mass shooters pay their debt to society for their crime.

 

[Andylusion]

Rigby seems to be forgetting the "show good reason to own a firearm" part.

As well as the police interview part

Moron, the Pulse Night Club shooter went through 3 interviews with trained FBI interrogators who thought he might be a muslim terrorist.....they also did a complete, FBI background check and did an under cover approach with an agent....he also passed an extensive background check for his job and a background check for each gun he purchased....

You don't understand the issue.

Sounds like you are saying that banning the AR 15 is the only solution!

Which only means he'll use a different gun, or he'll get one through the black market. You people still don't grasp that in the end, no amount of laws will prevent anyone from doing anything. Otherwise, prohibition would have worked, and speakeasy would never have existed. And the drug war would have worked as well, and Heroin wouldn't be an issue today.

You dumb bans and crap, only makes law abiding citizens into criminals, with the unicorn and fairy ideology that your laws will magically make criminals into law abiding citizens.

It's stupid. It's evil. It never works. And you need to stop pushing it.

What the end of Prohibition brought was the laws and restrictions that most people wanted before the Prohibition that they were denied. Had the "Booze Merchants" been reasonable, the "Mob" wouldn't have been nearly as blood thirsty. After the Prohibition was finished, there were more regulations on drinking and manufacturing of booze than before Prohibition. If that is what you want on guns, keep going the way you are going.

But none of those laws and restrictions have done anything. You think we didn't have beer pong parties in high school? You think we didn't have dozens of fake IDs to buy beer before the school dance?

Over and over, none of those laws and restrictions did anything. Not one single thing.

So I get it, you can pass all the laws you want, but you need to grasp you are not helping anything.

 

[Rustic]

Ah, so you don't know if anything you suggest would stop anything, but you're determined to do "something".

What's the solution?

I support a life sentence on any criminal who uses a gun for an actual gun crime..... and 30 years if a criminal is caught in possession of a gun, even if they are not using it at that moment for crime.
This will dry up gun crime over night. Criminals will stop using guns for robberies, rapes and murders.....and those who do will be gone forever......

Criminals will also stop walking around with guns in their pants......which is the leading cause of random gang shootings in our cities. if they are stopped by police, with a gun in their pants, they are gone for 30 years...they will stop carrying those guns, and random gang violence will end.

You implement this with two other things...

1) No More Bargaining Away the Gun Charge.........it must be against the law to bargain away a gun charge as part of a plea deal....this stops.

2) When a criminal is arrested for any crime, and booked in...they will be read the announcement that any use of a crime is a life sentence without parole, owning or carrying a gun as a felon is a 30 year sentence without parole....when they are released from custody...the same will be read to them again....when they meet their parole officer it will be read to them again.....the U.S. government will also buy and send out Public announcements on this policy on t.v. radio. and cable......

That is how you stop gun crime over night.

Mass shooters are different..... but with only 93 people killed in mass public shootings in 2018, they are not the major problem in gun crime.

The value in my plan......it actually targets the individuals actually using guns to commit crimes and murder people....

It does not require new background check laws, it does not require gun licensing, licensing gun owners, gun registration, new taxes, fees or regulations on guns...

By making gun crime a life sentence, criminals will stop using guns for crime and will stop carrying guns around for protection.....

Also....a nurse, with a legal gun, driving from Pennsylvania, to New Jersey, will not be considered a gun criminal.....that will end. Criminals with a record of crime, caught with a gun will get 30 years, no deals.....and criminals who use guns for actual crime...robbing the local store, rape, robbery, murder.....life without parole...

This, of course, eliminates the need for more gun control laws...we can already do this.....

Mass shooters are rarely caught alive. Would you take their lifeless corpse and bury I in a prison yard?

As I pointed out in my thread in the CDZ on my plan....you have two problems...actual criminals, and mass public shooters...

Mass public shootings in 2018..... 12. Number killed, 93.

Actual criminals using illegal guns to murder mostly other criminals...2017..... 10,982 gun murders..

Do you see the difference and which problem is actually bigger?

You stop mass shooters differently than regular criminals.....

1) end gun free zones...their primary targets

2) stop romanticing them and encouraging copycats by refusing to put out details in the press...refer to all future mass shooters as losers in any police statements.

3) improve family awareness of dangerously mentally ill people and help them get the help they need...

That is how you stop mass shooters...

Dayton Ohio

Nine killed, over 20 wounded in less than 45 seconds. Could the weapon be factored in when considering these facts?

Bombs and vehicles are more effective

 

[Leo123]

Oh, you did. Now exactly where do you get those rights? Do you get them from your God? What if I don't worship the same God, does that mean I don't have the same rights? Or how about an athiest, does that mean they have none of those rights? Where do you get those rights, who gives them to you? Let's face it, the Rights you harbor aren't really in the Constitution of the United States the way you keep bringing it up. That means you must be getting them from somewhere else?

Your Queen is your 'god' ain't she Daryl? All rights come from the Crown. Right?

I didn't ask where I get MY rights from. I asked where YOU get YOUR rights from. Now answer that question.

Well I’m asking YOU. Our Founders referred to a Creator. The Crown is your ‘Creator.’ Morality must then be whatever the ‘chosen’ decide for you.

The question of where I get my rights from is not in question here. Not once have I tried to claim that it's my Right to do anything in this discussion. Meanwhile, you have stated that this whole thing was in violation of your rights. Where do you get those rights from? Stop squirming and answer that question.

I TOLD you Daryl. Wake up.

 

[Rustic]

Oh, you did. Now exactly where do you get those rights? Do you get them from your God? What if I don't worship the same God, does that mean I don't have the same rights? Or how about an athiest, does that mean they have none of those rights? Where do you get those rights, who gives them to you? Let's face it, the Rights you harbor aren't really in the Constitution of the United States the way you keep bringing it up. That means you must be getting them from somewhere else?

Your Queen is your 'god' ain't she Daryl? All rights come from the Crown. Right?

I didn't ask where I get MY rights from. I asked where YOU get YOUR rights from. Now answer that question.

Well I’m asking YOU. Our Founders referred to a Creator. The Crown is your ‘Creator.’ Morality must then be whatever the ‘chosen’ decide for you.

The question of where I get my rights from is not in question here. Not once have I tried to claim that it's my Right to do anything in this discussion. Meanwhile, you have stated that this whole thing was in violation of your rights. Where do you get those rights from? Stop squirming and answer that question.

I TOLD you Daryl. Wake up.

Daryl needs to get back to his assisted living home...

 

[Andylusion]

Still waiting for the solutions from the right wing on how to stop our near weekly massacres.

Put offenders in jail to prevent them from becoming repeat offenders. Chicago Police Department

Okay…would that have stopped the massacres in El Paso or Midland just this Month?

More police. More law enforcement. Dealing with murders correctly, by putting them to death.

Teaching moral absolutes, instead of relativism. One of the things I'm always baffled by, is people on the left, claiming there is no absolute truth, and then screaming when people live their lives, like there is no absolute truth.

Having more community, and social fabric, and less of this "us vs them" attitudes.

I'm always baffled by people who continuously push that everyone else is evil, the evil right, the evil religious, the evil angry white man with privilege. Then you act shocked when people act like other people are different from them. It's hard to do something bad, to people you consider to be friends and neighbors. Not so hard, when you are told your whole life, that other people are holding you down.

That's the entire left-wing narrative in a nutshell.

 

[Marion Morrison]

I keep thinking about buying an AR with the way they keep trying to ban them, just never really liked that kind of gun.

Loud as a real gun, little itty bitty bullets, eh..to each their own, but not for me.

People should have them if they want them, though.

I like my .06

 

[M14 Shooter]

I keep thinking about buying an AR with the way they keep trying to ban them, just never really liked that kind of gun.
Loud as a real gun, little itty bitty bullets, eh..to each their own, but not for me.

That's the beauty of the AR - it doesn't shoot just itty bitty bullets.