Universal background checks... really?

[M14 Shooter]

You are the one calling the incidences Mass Shootings vs. calling them Mass Murders..... so what is the difference?

Mass shooting:
Dating back to at least 2005, the FBI and leading criminologists essentially defined a mass shooting as a single attack in a public place in which four or more victims were killed.
A Guide to Mass Shootings in America

Remember....they weren't getting enough of them with the 4 dead rule, so obama lowered it to 3........

Yes - that's in there.

 

[Andylusion]

That is the opposite of what I've read from almost every other source. Where are you getting this information? I'd be real interested in a link.

This from Newsweek:


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Rigby seems to be forgetting the "show good reason to own a firearm" part.

As well as the police interview part

Moron, the Pulse Night Club shooter went through 3 interviews with trained FBI interrogators who thought he might be a muslim terrorist.....they also did a complete, FBI background check and did an under cover approach with an agent....he also passed an extensive background check for his job and a background check for each gun he purchased....

You don't understand the issue.

Sounds like you are saying that banning the AR 15 is the only solution!

Which only means he'll use a different gun, or he'll get one through the black market. You people still don't grasp that in the end, no amount of laws will prevent anyone from doing anything. Otherwise, prohibition would have worked, and speakeasy would never have existed. And the drug war would have worked as well, and Heroin wouldn't be an issue today.

You dumb bans and crap, only makes law abiding citizens into criminals, with the unicorn and fairy ideology that your laws will magically make criminals into law abiding citizens.

It's stupid. It's evil. It never works. And you need to stop pushing it.

 

[OldLady]

How would you determine who should be denied guns and votes?

And let me just add, I don't think a person who we don't want owning a gun or voting should be walking the streets freely.

When a person has a restraining order (real or imagined for violence) they are often times temporarily removed from possessing firearms. The Restraining order always has a time period where it runs out. I doubt if we need to be locking those people up. Just keep them away from firearms for a short time until the cool off period ends.

Many are imagined and bullshit.
.Violence or fear of violence is like racism now. It can mean anything and judges tend to err on the side of so called safety when signing those orders.

I mean all your girlfriend or wife has to say is you raised your voice, looked cross-eyed at her, or you tapped her on the butt because she didn't iron your shirt correctly....

Why would you raise your voice or tap her on the butt because she didn't iron your shirt correctly? Iron your own fuckin' shirt.

And don't get me started on how many times I have to make her re-iron my socks and underwear...

As well as the police interview part

Moron, the Pulse Night Club shooter went through 3 interviews with trained FBI interrogators who thought he might be a muslim terrorist.....they also did a complete, FBI background check and did an under cover approach with an agent....he also passed an extensive background check for his job and a background check for each gun he purchased....

You don't understand the issue.

Sounds like you are saying that banning the AR 15 is the only solution!

No, ending gun free zones is the answer.....go watch the show, "Active Shooter," the Pulse Night Club episode....they talk to people who were in the club during the attack, and you will see, had the victims been allowed to have guns, the shooter would have been stopped cold.

No one was in a gun free zone in Odessa or Midland this weekend. How did that work out for ya? I'm sure the Walmart in ElPaso wasn't a gun free zone either.
YOUR ARGUMENT IS NOTHING BUT A DREAM.

Moron....you pick the one guy with actual police chasing him through public spaces as your example....? Are you really that stupid? 90% of mass public shootings are in gun free zones.....you moron.

I'm not stupid at all. Why don't you answer the question?

 

[M14 Shooter]

It's stupid. It's evil. It never works. And you need to stop pushing it.

The left cannot realize its dream of a state monopoly on force, so long as they citizenry remains armed.

 

[OldLady]

You are the one calling the incidences Mass Shootings vs. calling them Mass Murders..... so what is the difference?

Mass shooting:
Dating back to at least 2005, the FBI and leading criminologists essentially defined a mass shooting as a single attack in a public place in which four or more victims were killed.
A Guide to Mass Shootings in America

Remember....they weren't getting enough of them with the 4 dead rule, so obama lowered it to 3........

Yes - that's in there.

The IDEA is that with less guns in circulation and lying around in the average fruit loop's nightstand, the less opportunity for fruit loop to pick up this weapon and start shooting people with it when he has had a bad day.

The police said that the shooter in Odessa was circling the drain so to speak, and that when he was fired he had no doubt been in trouble for a long time. They said his apartment was bizarre. The police and the FBI tipline said it's nothing new for pissed off people to call bitching about getting canned, trying to get the boss in trouble. It sounds like background checks had worked and he was refused a gun. Then someone sold him one without the background check, apparently. Now they're investigating and I hope the guy who sold it to him or got it for him gets put in the cell beside him. If he new Ator at all, he had to know Ator was not stable. All the indications were there. And if he DIDN'T know Ator, I should think he would be even more cautious. Who knows who you're selling a lethal weapon to?

 

[Nosmo King]

Would you deny a gun to the same people you would deny the vote?

We do.

Permanent residents can own firearms, but they can't vote.

Felons? The mentally frazzled? Would you deny them both guns and votes?

Not permanently.

How would you determine who should be denied guns and votes?

A person who has completely paid their debt to society should have their rights restored.

A person who has previously been adjudicated mentally incompetent should be able to have the ruling reviewed and reversed is competency has been restored.

Why do you want to pick and choose who can protect their lives and property?

I’m curious as to who would be spotted in a background check

 

[M14 Shooter]

You are the one calling the incidences Mass Shootings vs. calling them Mass Murders..... so what is the difference?

Mass shooting:
Dating back to at least 2005, the FBI and leading criminologists essentially defined a mass shooting as a single attack in a public place in which four or more victims were killed.
A Guide to Mass Shootings in America

Remember....they weren't getting enough of them with the 4 dead rule, so obama lowered it to 3........

Yes - that's in there.

The IDEA is that with less guns in circulation and lying around in the average fruit loop's nightstand, the less opportunity for fruit loop to pick up this weapon and start shooting people with it when he has had a bad day.

This idea has no empirical support.

 

[Nosmo King]

Would you deny a gun to the same people you would deny the vote?

We do.

Permanent residents can own firearms, but they can't vote.

Felons? The mentally frazzled? Would you deny them both guns and votes?

Not permanently.

How would you determine who should be denied guns and votes?

Simple for their group. Anyone that agrees with them will have those rights. Anyone that does not should be denied those privileges.

By what mechanism?

 

[Defiant1]

We do.

Permanent residents can own firearms, but they can't vote.

Felons? The mentally frazzled? Would you deny them both guns and votes?

Not permanently.

How would you determine who should be denied guns and votes?

A person who has completely paid their debt to society should have their rights restored.

A person who has previously been adjudicated mentally incompetent should be able to have the ruling reviewed and reversed is competency has been restored.

Why do you want to pick and choose who can protect their lives and property?

I’m curious as to who would be spotted in a background check

I've gone through several checks recently.

I wasn't spotted....

 

[Nosmo King]

Would you deny a gun to the same people you would deny the vote?

We do.

Permanent residents can own firearms, but they can't vote.

Felons? The mentally frazzled? Would you deny them both guns and votes?

Not permanently.

How would you determine who should be denied guns and votes?

Arrests by police and conviction in courts........you know...due process..... And we can already do this under existing law.

Please explain why, after we arrest repeat gun offenders, that democrat judges keep letting them out on bond and out of prison with short sentences....then go on to blame normal people who don't use their legal guns for crime....

How does one secure court and medical records? Perhaps a background check?

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Progressives want Background checks on all private sales. Why? Who pays for that? Paying for an right?
That is definitely unconstitutional and absolutely ridiculous.

Any type of waiting period on an right? I don’t think so, definitely unconstitutional and absolutely ridiculous.
No one should have to wait more than seconds to purchase their firearms.

Obviously universal background checks I have nothing to do with firearms… Like always... it’s always been about control.
The ******* spineless gun grabbers can pound sand... lol

No, you're right. Background checks won't do the trick. Ban and confiscate assault rifles and mags over 10 rounds. Insist on safety courses and licensing, including a clean mental health evaluation, every five years, for any gun. Clean up the NICS data base so it actually contains the information needed to make an informed decision on a potential buyer's appropriateness for a gun.
Americans are stupid mental cases.

No law, no single provision of a regulation will ever, and has never stopped criminal actions. Speed limits have not eradicated high speed highway accidents. No building codes have ever ended building fires.

But who would argue that speed limits have substantially reduced high speed airomobile accidents? Who would argue that building codes have been totally ineffective in making construction standards higher and therefore safer?

The Gun Culture is retrenching so deeply in the canard that massively popular, common sense gun safety regulations inevitably result in gun confiscation. The 'slippery slope' doctrine.

Those who successfully introduced Prohibition used the same intractable political tact. The most obstinate politics in 20th century American politics. But when faced with overwhelming popular opposition, they held fast until they were utterly smashed. A few compromises would most certainly saved the Prohibition movement.

You can't name any common sense gun regulations....all you put out are gun laws meant to restrict gun access for law abiding gun owners.

Every gun owner is a law abiding citizen right up to the point they pull the trigger.

A background check does not infringe the right to bear arms.

Jayzus! Ya want an ID to cast a vote, but not to get a gun!

Dude you do realize we already have background checks?

 

[OldLady]

You are the one calling the incidences Mass Shootings vs. calling them Mass Murders..... so what is the difference?

Mass shooting:
Dating back to at least 2005, the FBI and leading criminologists essentially defined a mass shooting as a single attack in a public place in which four or more victims were killed.
A Guide to Mass Shootings in America

Remember....they weren't getting enough of them with the 4 dead rule, so obama lowered it to 3........

Yes - that's in there.

The IDEA is that with less guns in circulation and lying around in the average fruit loop's nightstand, the less opportunity for fruit loop to pick up this weapon and start shooting people with it when he has had a bad day.

This idea has no empirical support.

Yeah it does. It's called Europe.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

We do.

Permanent residents can own firearms, but they can't vote.

Felons? The mentally frazzled? Would you deny them both guns and votes?

Not permanently.

How would you determine who should be denied guns and votes?

Arrests by police and conviction in courts........you know...due process..... And we can already do this under existing law.

Please explain why, after we arrest repeat gun offenders, that democrat judges keep letting them out on bond and out of prison with short sentences....then go on to blame normal people who don't use their legal guns for crime....

How does one secure court and medical records? Perhaps a background check?

Stop the stupid shit we already have background checks

 

[Defiant1]

We do.

Permanent residents can own firearms, but they can't vote.

Felons? The mentally frazzled? Would you deny them both guns and votes?

Not permanently.

How would you determine who should be denied guns and votes?

Arrests by police and conviction in courts........you know...due process..... And we can already do this under existing law.

Please explain why, after we arrest repeat gun offenders, that democrat judges keep letting them out on bond and out of prison with short sentences....then go on to blame normal people who don't use their legal guns for crime....

How does one secure court and medical records? Perhaps a background check?

Court records are public documents.

What do medical records have to do with anything?
BTW, I stay away from doctors. They can't be trusted.
It's been over 30 years.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Mass shooting:
Dating back to at least 2005, the FBI and leading criminologists essentially defined a mass shooting as a single attack in a public place in which four or more victims were killed.
A Guide to Mass Shootings in America

Remember....they weren't getting enough of them with the 4 dead rule, so obama lowered it to 3........

Yes - that's in there.

The IDEA is that with less guns in circulation and lying around in the average fruit loop's nightstand, the less opportunity for fruit loop to pick up this weapon and start shooting people with it when he has had a bad day.

This idea has no empirical support.

Yeah it does. It's called Europe.

This is where I challenge you to demonstrate the necessary relationship between the conditions you cite and the effect your claim.
You will then fail to do so.
Thus, I accept your concession in advance.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Mass shooting:
Dating back to at least 2005, the FBI and leading criminologists essentially defined a mass shooting as a single attack in a public place in which four or more victims were killed.
A Guide to Mass Shootings in America

Remember....they weren't getting enough of them with the 4 dead rule, so obama lowered it to 3........

Yes - that's in there.

The IDEA is that with less guns in circulation and lying around in the average fruit loop's nightstand, the less opportunity for fruit loop to pick up this weapon and start shooting people with it when he has had a bad day.

This idea has no empirical support.

Yeah it does. It's called Europe.

France

 

[charwin95]

Progressives want Background checks on all private sales. Why? Who pays for that? Paying for an right?
That is definitely unconstitutional and absolutely ridiculous.

Any type of waiting period on an right? I don’t think so, definitely unconstitutional and absolutely ridiculous.
No one should have to wait more than seconds to purchase their firearms.

Obviously universal background checks I have nothing to do with firearms… Like always... it’s always been about control.
The ******* spineless gun grabbers can pound sand... lol

Something need to be done. All these massacres that you supported need to be stop. All you want is to sell more arms and you don’t give a rats ass whatever happened to this country or these kids. People like you are part of the problem.

I’m not saying I’m taking your second amendments but for Christ sake. This got to stop.

One way or the other you will become instinct.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Progressives want Background checks on all private sales. Why? Who pays for that? Paying for an right?
That is definitely unconstitutional and absolutely ridiculous.

Any type of waiting period on an right? I don’t think so, definitely unconstitutional and absolutely ridiculous.
No one should have to wait more than seconds to purchase their firearms.

Obviously universal background checks I have nothing to do with firearms… Like always... it’s always been about control.
The ******* spineless gun grabbers can pound sand... lol

Something need to be done. All these massacres that you supported need to be stop.

Laws can not and do not stop people from committing crimes, especially when the people who commit them expect to die.
So, if you think you have an effective solution that does not involve unnecessary and ineffective restrictions on the law abiding, we're all ears.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Progressives want Background checks on all private sales. Why? Who pays for that? Paying for an right?
That is definitely unconstitutional and absolutely ridiculous.

Any type of waiting period on an right? I don’t think so, definitely unconstitutional and absolutely ridiculous.
No one should have to wait more than seconds to purchase their firearms.

Obviously universal background checks I have nothing to do with firearms… Like always... it’s always been about control.
The ******* spineless gun grabbers can pound sand... lol

Something need to be done. All these massacres that you supported need to be stop. All you want is to sell more arms and you don’t give a rats ass whatever happened to this country or these kids. People like you are part of the problem.

I’m not saying I’m taking your second amendments but for Christ sake. This got to stop.

One way or the other you will become instinct.

OK LET'S DO SOMETHING HOW ABOUT YOU AND ALL LEFTIST PACK YOUR SHIT AND LEAVE

 

[Nosmo King]

Felons? The mentally frazzled? Would you deny them both guns and votes?

Not permanently.

How would you determine who should be denied guns and votes?

Arrests by police and conviction in courts........you know...due process..... And we can already do this under existing law.

Please explain why, after we arrest repeat gun offenders, that democrat judges keep letting them out on bond and out of prison with short sentences....then go on to blame normal people who don't use their legal guns for crime....

How does one secure court and medical records? Perhaps a background check?

Court records are public documents.

What do medical records have to do with anything?
BTW, I stay away from doctors. They can't be trusted.
It's been over 30 years.

Would a background check give you the information?