Unfettered Capitalism

[bripat9643]

Mac, you're not making a good case for NOT being a closet commie. I know you're not, but you appear to either be sympathetic to it or naive as ****. You come off pinko, just saying.

He is a commie. He's made that quite clear.

 

[bripat9643]

Modern capitalism cannot operate without owning the government, writing their own regulations and "managing" democracy.

If that's how you define it, I spose so.

But that's not the definition I'm using. Government colluding with business is just a form of corporatism. Kind of the worst of both worlds when it comes to the capitalism/socialism debate.

You should really use the definition that reflects reality rather than some purist definition that cannot possibly exist in a greedy world full of unscrupulous people. We live in a corporate world where everything is for sale and you only get as much freedom and justice as you can afford. That's capitalism as practiced.

Commie propaganda.

 

[Mac1958]

Mac, you're not making a good case for NOT being a closet commie. I know you're not, but you appear to either be sympathetic to it or naive as ****. You come off pinko, just saying.

Only to willfully ignorant Talk Radio Trumpsters.

I'm a far better capitalist than they'll ever be.

 

[Mac1958]

Mac, you're not making a good case for NOT being a closet commie. I know you're not, but you appear to either be sympathetic to it or naive as ****. You come off pinko, just saying.

He is a commie. He's made that quite clear.

Okay, I admit it, I'm the world's only communist CFP/Investment Advisor.

Darn, you're just too smart for me.

 

[gipper]

Liberals love this phrase. Maybe I have a limited vocabulary, but I wasn't really sure what "fettered" meant. So I looked it up:

Any questions?

Yeah. Why do you think the super rich ought to have total unaccountable power over your life?

I don't. Spare me the strawman.

That's what "unfettered capitalism" is. An amoral system where the super rich are untouchable by the same system of laws that can easily cost you everything.

Yes we do have unfettered capitalism in the land of of the free and home of the brave.

Big corporations control the politicians, government, media, science, and academia. Government regulators have little power to regulate and most of them are in the revolving door moving easily from government to industry and back.

Laws are enacted to protect the big corporations. For example, big pharma which controls almost everything in the US (has a huge army of lobbyists in DC buying protective legislation) is protected from lawsuits by consumers damaged by their products. This has been true since the 1980s.

Then you have the big war corporations of the MIC. They too have an army of lobbyists and always get what they want from Uncle Sam.

It’s not capitalism. It’s a racket.

When will the American people wake up and put a stop to this criminal racket?

 

[Mac1958]

Liberals love this phrase. Maybe I have a limited vocabulary, but I wasn't really sure what "fettered" meant. So I looked it up:

Any questions?

Yeah. Why do you think the super rich ought to have total unaccountable power over your life?

I don't. Spare me the strawman.

That's what "unfettered capitalism" is. An amoral system where the super rich are untouchable by the same system of laws that can easily cost you everything.

Yes we do have unfettered capitalism in the land of of the free and home of the brave.

Big corporations control the politicians, government, media, science, and academia. Government regulators have little power to regulate and most of them are in the revolving door moving easily from government to industry and back.

Laws are enacted to protect the big corporations. For example, big pharma which controls almost everything in the US (has a huge army of lobbyists in DC buying protective legislation) is protected from lawsuits by consumers damaged by their products. This has been true since the 1980s.

Then you have the big war corporations of the MIC. They too have an army of lobbyists and always get what they want from Uncle Sam.

It’s not capitalism. It’s a racket.

When will the American people wake up and put a stop to this criminal racket?

It won't happen unless or until people stop looking at everything, including capitalism, through a darkly distorted partisan political lens.

The clock is ticking, too. These faux-"capitalists" are handing the keys to the socialists as we speak.

 

[georgephillip]

Wrong again, moron. Do you really believe there were no markets around before government came into being? Everything in your list existed prior to government regulations.

If we're limiting our discussion of money and markets and courts to Western Civilization, it was in the palaces and temples that commerce began.

Palace economy - Wikipedia

"A palace economy or redistribution economy[1] is a system of economic organization in which a substantial share of the wealth flows into the control of a centralized administration, the palace, and out from there to the general population, which may be allowed its own sources of income but relies heavily on the wealth redistributed by the palace.

"It was traditionally justified on the principle that the palace was most capable of distributing wealth efficiently for the benefit of society.[2][3]."

 

[georgephillip]

If government is calling the shots, it's corporatism, not capitalism.

How does your definition of those two terms differ from this one?

"Summary:

"1. Capitalism is an economic system that recognizes individual rights while corporatism is a political and economic system that seeks social justice and equality among individuals.

"2. The key player in a capitalist society is the individual who must work for his own well being while the central figure in a corporatist society is the political community that must work for the individual’s self-fulfillment and happiness.

"3. Capitalism is an individualist society while corporatism is collectivist."

Read more: Difference Between Capitalism and Corporatism | Difference Between Difference Between Capitalism and Corporatism | Difference Between

 

[georgephillip]

The government is always in cahoots with the big corporations, so I don't know why you trust the former.

Because the latter doesn't exist without the former.
Our current problems stem mainly from too much corporate control of government.

 

[bripat9643]

Mac, you're not making a good case for NOT being a closet commie. I know you're not, but you appear to either be sympathetic to it or naive as ****. You come off pinko, just saying.

Only to willfully ignorant Talk Radio Trumpsters.

I'm a far better capitalist than they'll ever be.

No you aren't. You are a ******* commie.

 

[bripat9643]

The government is always in cahoots with the big corporations, so I don't know why you trust the former.

Because the latter doesn't exist without the former.
Our current problems stem mainly from too much corporate control of government.

Wrong, as always. Our current problem stems from too much government control of private companies.

 

[dblack]

"1. Capitalism is an economic system that recognizes individual rights while corporatism is a political and economic system that seeks social justice and equality among individuals.

"2. The key player in a capitalist society is the individual who must work for his own well being while the central figure in a corporatist society is the political community that must work for the individual’s self-fulfillment and happiness.

"3. Capitalism is an individualist society while corporatism is collectivist."

I think that's an excellent characterization of the difference between the two. Thanks for posting.

 

[bripat9643]

Wrong again, moron. Do you really believe there were no markets around before government came into being? Everything in your list existed prior to government regulations.

If we're limiting our discussion of money and markets and courts to Western Civilization, it was in the palaces and temples that commerce began.

Wrong. Archeologists have found evidence of trade in the early neolithic.

Palace economy - Wikipedia

"A palace economy or redistribution economy[1] is a system of economic organization in which a substantial share of the wealth flows into the control of a centralized administration, the palace, and out from there to the general population, which may be allowed its own sources of income but relies heavily on the wealth redistributed by the palace.

"It was traditionally justified on the principle that the palace was most capable of distributing wealth efficiently for the benefit of society.[2][3]."

Palaces presuppose the existence of government, but trade existed prior to any government.

 

[dblack]

The government is always in cahoots with the big corporations, so I don't know why you trust the former.

Because the latter doesn't exist without the former.
Our current problems stem mainly from too much corporate control of government.

Wrong, as always. Our current problem stems from too much government control of private companies.

Those two always tend to blur. That's the cruel irony for progressives who think that regulation schemes will put government in charge.

 

[gipper]

The government is always in cahoots with the big corporations, so I don't know why you trust the former.

Because the latter doesn't exist without the former.
Our current problems stem mainly from too much corporate control of government.

Wrong, as always. Our current problem stems from too much government control of private companies.

You have that exactly backwards and it reveals a lack of understanding.

We have too much control of government by big corporations and wealthy individuals.

Wake the **** up! This isn’t 1980.

 

[danielpalos]

Unfettered Capitalism only exists in right wing fantasy.

 

[bripat9643]

The government is always in cahoots with the big corporations, so I don't know why you trust the former.

Because the latter doesn't exist without the former.
Our current problems stem mainly from too much corporate control of government.

Wrong, as always. Our current problem stems from too much government control of private companies.

You have that exactly backwards and it reveals a lack of understanding.

We have too much control of government by big corporations and wealthy individuals.

Wake the **** up! This isn’t 1980.

That's commie propaganda. A commie will always blame private owners before he blames government.

 

[kaz]

Liberals love this phrase. Maybe I have a limited vocabulary, but I wasn't really sure what "fettered" meant. So I looked it up:

Any questions?

Yeah. Why do you think the super rich ought to have total unaccountable power over your life?

This is how stupid Democrats are.

You don't want businesses to have to compete for your business. Too risky, they would take advantage of you.

So you want government to eliminate competition and force us all to have the same thing.

Talk about "unaccountable."

The funny part being you proved the point that people use terms they don't understand.

Occupied: I want ONE choice, I don't want some unaccountable choice ...

Quit confusing free enterprise with capitalism. They are not the same thing.

They're the same as far as I'm concerned. But maybe you're using different definitions. How do they differ in your view?

Capitalism as it is practiced in America is a thing of vast fortunes buying and selling political power to protect monopoly. It is ultimately the greatest barrier to regular people engaging in what I call free enterprise. Investing in themselves and their talents to build personal wealth. You have only as much social mobility as the capitalists and their banks allow you to have.

So you're making up your own definitions. Of course you are.

Actually, capitalism is economic freedom. What you described is socialism, moron. Government making your decisions.

In capitalism we make our own decisions.

Marxists are just the dumbest people. You have to be

 

[Mac1958]

Mac, you're not making a good case for NOT being a closet commie. I know you're not, but you appear to either be sympathetic to it or naive as ****. You come off pinko, just saying.

Only to willfully ignorant Talk Radio Trumpsters.

I'm a far better capitalist than they'll ever be.

No you aren't. You are a ******* commie.

Ironically, the real socialists very much appreciate people like you.

I realize that someone like you will have no idea what that means.

 

[Mac1958]

Unfettered Capitalism only exists in right wing fantasy.

Correct. All they (think they) know is 100% free market capitalism OR 100% miserable communism. That's it. Two choices. That's all.

This is what confining a person to comically limited and carefully controlled "facts" and "information" and "opinion" does to people over time.

A true, modern-day, cautionary tale. Don't let this happen to you.