U.S. Marines To Investigate Video of Soldiers Urinating on Corpses

[Sunshine]

your a ***** with your head in the sand!

You're. You're a ***** with your head in the sand!

That's the proper way to say it.

You lefties are such grammar nazi's!!!!

That's just distraction from the fact that the argument has been lost.

 

[ABikerSailor]

When I think of the abuse of American corpses and abuse of American POW's and the various beheadings of Americans..........

I say give these guys some extra duty, a promotion, and a medal.............

Interesting...........SFC Ollie has been on this board talking about homosexuality and that it shouldn't be allowed in the military (see some of the older DADT threads on here), and has stated that I must have been a bad First Class because I would not turn in people who were gay that I knew.

SFC Ollie is now doing the same thing, promoting a flagrant violation of both the Code of Conduct and the Geneva Conventions (both rules that the military has to follow) and thinks there is nothing wrong with it.

And.........some idiot civilian (who knows nothing about being in the military) is applauding him.

Quick question.............would you be as supportive of someone looking the other way for gay servicemembers as you are of looking the other way for these Marines who broke the rules as well?

 

[The Infidel]

When I think of the abuse of American corpses and abuse of American POW's and the various beheadings of Americans..........

I say give these guys some extra duty, a promotion, and a medal.............

Interesting...........SFC Ollie has been on this board talking about homosexuality and that it shouldn't be allowed in the military (see some of the older DADT threads on here), and has stated that I must have been a bad First Class because I would not turn in people who were gay that I knew.

SFC Ollie is now doing the same thing, promoting a flagrant violation of both the Code of Conduct and the Geneva Conventions (both rules that the military has to follow) and thinks there is nothing wrong with it.

And.........some idiot civilian (who knows nothing about being in the military) is applauding him.

Quick question.............would you be as supportive of someone looking the other way for gay servicemembers as you are of looking the other way for these Marines who broke the rules as well?

ABS... you are not wrong in what you are saying.


Its just I understand why they did it, thats all I am saying.

I wouldnt have done it. I cant even bring myself to hunt deer, much less point a gun at another living human, but I understand why they did it.

I think it is unfortunate that these guys are putting our military in a bad light. We have the best soldiers in the world. For the most part they are more compassionate than any others on earth.

 

[ABikerSailor]

Hey.......the military is just like civilian society in that if you don't follow the rules, you have to pay the price.

And..........fwiw..........not everyone who is in the military is a great person. Over the 20 years that I've served, I've seen one or two doozies...............

I've seen a prostitution ring at NATTC.

I've seen a guy get arrrested at the command for raping another male (yes, and he was married).

I've seen a guy carry around his wife in the trunk of his car for a week after he'd accidentally killed her.

I've seen a Master Chief get the brig for raping his stepson.

No. Not everyone in the military is a good person.

 

[Douger]

Because its the PC thing to do....DUUHHH!!

Right. Because that's all our military commanders think. PC. They don't think about what could further negatively impact the campaign.

Yeah... you guys don't respect or understand the military at all.

You wanna say that about me, Cowman?
I'm curious there Cowman. How many times have you been in battle? How about in a life threatening situation on behalf of your country? How many months have you lived in enemy territory?
The answer's obvious to anyone reading your posts.
You know what Afghans do to our troops? The women have a kind of ceremony. You're bound. Then they carefully cut open your stomach and pull out your intenstines and lay them on your chest. You can live for hours in excrutiating pain that way.
Yes what they did was politically incorrect. But forward snipers have it tougher than most troops. Guess who find the bodies that are left behind with their guts left out? ForeCons and 317's. Guess who sees their friends getting arms and legs getting blown off every day?
The real crime here? Being stupid enough to let it get on film. They're not politicians but now their careers are tanked for political reasons.
That's a shame.
You want to show us all how one should behave after months or more of battle stress? Fine. Pack your weapon and drop us a postcard from Afghanistan.

Life threatening situation in murka ? I fought many a forest fire !
You're funny ! The only time I was in "enemy territory" was at the airport in Miami international.
Korea had great weed ! murkins were not allowed access to any ammo.Kick ass equipment. Kinda like a big dildo.
Including the party animals with artillery at the DMZ. We didn't care. The yobos gargled for another $4.
Paradise !
Go wave your flag....idiot.

 

[IndependntLogic]

Did I ever claim to have served? Most Americans have not served, and there's nothing wrong with that. The thing is, I respect our soldiers, and I also demand that they act professionally and becoming of the uniform they wear. They serve their country and they fight for their citizens. It is my right as an American citizen to speak out. I respect our troops, that's why I fight every day to have them come back home unlike you who would like them to stay in those countries indefinitely getting shot at and killed so you feel safe for another day.

I want them home.

Your stupid is leaking out again. I'm all over this board saying I want them home and have been for a long time.

Ohhh... color me genuinely surprised! You come off as the type that you associate with who calls people like me who want our soldiers home and away from harms way unpatriotic and un-American... because we DARE wish to not have our soldiers fighting terrorists and insurgents in foreign lands.

"The type" eh? Most of the people disagreeing with you on this thread have called me a "Liberal", "Leftist" etc... at least once or twice because I am as strong in my opinions that are labeled "Liberal" as I am in my opinions that are labeled "Conservative".

Look, I get it. You think our soldiers should be held to a higher standard than was displayed here. While you and I are probably in agreement about what happened at Abu Graihb or Git-Mo (although for VERY different reasons - I actually condone effective interrogation but that was not done at either facility), here we depart.
Tell you what. I used to volunteer at the ER at Children's hospital. Go do that for a few months. Then imagine what it would be like if everything you saw had been done intentionally. Then tell me that you would never make a mistake. You would never be so emotionally rattled that you might do something that people back home just couldn't understand.
BTW, I'm the Director of Operations for the New Terrain Foundation. What do we do? We offer an alternative to the VA (a LOT of our guys won't go there) for emotional repair and boosting.
If you see a homeless man, chances are 1 in 3 he's a Vet. That's right. 1 in 3 homeless men in America are veterans. I promise you, you have NO idea what they have gone through over there since the first Gulf War. Some of them still wear flea collars around their boots.
So while it's easy for you to hold everyone else to these high standards and lofty ideals, you might consider being a little more understanding and compassionate. Marines don't piss on corpses for entertainment or because they're angry. Especially not those who have the discipline to get through 317 training. They do it because some of their circuits have been fried through the trauma and they want to explode.

But okay fine. Judge. Screw understanding when it doesn't conform to Liberal prejudices. Just don't point your finger at Conservatives when they do the same thing because while you do this, you're no different. Just something to think about.

 

[The Infidel]

Hey.......the military is just like civilian society in that if you don't follow the rules, you have to pay the price.

And..........fwiw..........not everyone who is in the military is a great person. Over the 20 years that I've served, I've seen one or two doozies...............

I've seen a prostitution ring at NATTC.

I've seen a guy get arrrested at the command for raping another male (yes, and he was married).

I've seen a guy carry around his wife in the trunk of his car for a week after he'd accidentally killed her.

I've seen a Master Chief get the brig for raping his stepson.

No. Not everyone in the military is a good person.

That goes without saying.... there are some real animals out there in ALL walks of life.

The entire incident is unfortunate.


I think we can walk away from this as friends... watcha think ABS?

 

[Cowman]

your a ***** with your head in the sand!

You're. You're a ***** with your head in the sand!

That's the proper way to say it.

You lefties are such grammar nazi's!!!!

Well, when you're always demanding that people learn to speak English, you best have a fairly good grasp of it yourself.

 

[Cowman]

Marines don't piss on corpses for entertainment or because they're angry. Especially not those who have the discipline to get through 317 training. They do it because some of their circuits have been fried through the trauma and they want to explode.

That's bullshit and you know it. You can't apply Post Traumatic Stress disorder to every ******* thing that a soldier does. There are bad eggs out there and you know it... people who get a kick out of the stuff that they do.

Believe it or not, not everybody in the military is a good person or there for the right reasons. There are gang members in the military by the thousands who go there to receive training and combat experience and come back home to teach their fellow thugs. Don't believe me? Look up the military investigations into the matter. I don't automatically assume every soldier is there for the right reasons or is a good natured human being. I judge a person based on their actions, and you can't always chalk up the actions of a soldier to the ravages of war.

There's a reason why this sort of thing only comes out so often, it's because the rest of the soldiers are disciplined and they actually act like a soldier, not a barbarian.

And for the record, much of my family is military, even if I am not. I have an uncle in the Air Force, I have a cousin who will be joining the Air Force in his fathers footsteps, I have another cousin in the Navy as a Navy Hospital Corpsman, and I have a cousin who is a marine who is staying with us right now in our home while he works a job because he's down on his luck. I know and I respect the military in as great of a capacity as a civilian can.

 

[bodecea]

You obviously were not born here.

I revoke your Texas citizenship

What a retard. There are lots of liberals living in Texas. And no, I wasn't born in Texas. I don't even consider myself a Texan. But I am a citizen of Texas.

Your constant use of Comic Sans shows you what a joke you are.

Thank GAWD... your an insult to Texans everywhere


Oh yeah.... comic sans this

Texan? Explains a great deal.

 

[IndependntLogic]

Marines don't piss on corpses for entertainment or because they're angry. Especially not those who have the discipline to get through 317 training. They do it because some of their circuits have been fried through the trauma and they want to explode.

That's bullshit and you know it. You can't apply Post Traumatic Stress disorder to every ******* thing that a soldier does. There are bad eggs out there and you know it... people who get a kick out of the stuff that they do.

Believe it or not, not everybody in the military is a good person or there for the right reasons. There are gang members in the military by the thousands who go there to receive training and combat experience and come back home to teach their fellow thugs. Don't believe me? Look up the military investigations into the matter. I don't automatically assume every soldier is there for the right reasons or is a good natured human being. I judge a person based on their actions, and you can't always chalk up the actions of a soldier to the ravages of war.

There's a reason why this sort of thing only comes out so often, it's because the rest of the soldiers are disciplined and they actually act like a soldier, not a barbarian.

And for the record, much of my family is military, even if I am not. I have an uncle in the Air Force, I have a cousin who will be joining the Air Force in his fathers footsteps, I have another cousin in the Navy as a Navy Hospital Corpsman, and I have a cousin who is a marine who is staying with us right now in our home while he works a job because he's down on his luck. I know and I respect the military in as great of a capacity as a civilian can.

Of course not everyone in the military is a good person. Obviously you've made up your mind without any direct experience. I get it. Many Conservatives are only understanding and / or sympathetic toward those who fit neatly in the "worthy of sympathy by Conservatives" box.
You're exactly the same - just the Liberal version.

 

[SFC Ollie]

Gaybiker, when I want shit from you I'll ring your bell.

I am still against repealing DADT (Did you know at least one state is attempting to overturn that for their National Guard?)

And I am following the rules, first thing i said was to give these troops extra duty. Not my fault that the enemy we are fighting does much worse than this to our troops and gets a pass from you ***** *****.............

 

[ABikerSailor]

Marines don't piss on corpses for entertainment or because they're angry. Especially not those who have the discipline to get through 317 training. They do it because some of their circuits have been fried through the trauma and they want to explode.

That's bullshit and you know it. You can't apply Post Traumatic Stress disorder to every ******* thing that a soldier does. There are bad eggs out there and you know it... people who get a kick out of the stuff that they do.

Believe it or not, not everybody in the military is a good person or there for the right reasons. There are gang members in the military by the thousands who go there to receive training and combat experience and come back home to teach their fellow thugs. Don't believe me? Look up the military investigations into the matter. I don't automatically assume every soldier is there for the right reasons or is a good natured human being. I judge a person based on their actions, and you can't always chalk up the actions of a soldier to the ravages of war.

There's a reason why this sort of thing only comes out so often, it's because the rest of the soldiers are disciplined and they actually act like a soldier, not a barbarian.

And for the record, much of my family is military, even if I am not. I have an uncle in the Air Force, I have a cousin who will be joining the Air Force in his fathers footsteps, I have another cousin in the Navy as a Navy Hospital Corpsman, and I have a cousin who is a marine who is staying with us right now in our home while he works a job because he's down on his luck. I know and I respect the military in as great of a capacity as a civilian can.

Of course not everyone in the military is a good person. Obviously you've made up your mind without any direct experience. I get it. Many Conservatives are only understanding and / or sympathetic toward those who fit neatly in the "worthy of sympathy by Conservatives" box.
You're exactly the same - just the Liberal version.

Actually, not everyone in the military is a good person. Over the 20 years that I served from 1982 until 2002, here are some of the things that I saw...........

Working at NATTC in the mid 80's, there was a prostitution ring ran by female Marines.

During that time, I also saw a man accidentally kill his wife and carry her around in the trunk of her car for a week. The reason he was caught? The gate guard smelled the body. Apparently, he'd pushed her, she fell and caught a corner on the way down.

Also have processed paperwork on an MCPO who got kicked out and lost his retirement. What did he do? He was caught molesting his stepson.

In the mid 90's while stationed with a squadron, saw one of the mechs get arrested at the command by civilian AND military police. He'd raped one of his airmen at a party at his house, and yes......he was married.

So no. Not everyone in the military is a good person.

 

[ABikerSailor]

Gaybiker, when I want shit from you I'll ring your bell.

I am still against repealing DADT (Did you know at least one state is attempting to overturn that for their National Guard?)

And I am following the rules, first thing i said was to give these troops extra duty. Not my fault that the enemy we are fighting does much worse than this to our troops and gets a pass from you ***** *****.............

Like I said Stupid Fucker Called Ollie, you support troops breaking the Geneva Conventions and the Code of Conduct.

Good to know that such a great NCO such as yourself supports breaking international as well as military rules.

 

[Cowman]

Marines don't piss on corpses for entertainment or because they're angry. Especially not those who have the discipline to get through 317 training. They do it because some of their circuits have been fried through the trauma and they want to explode.

That's bullshit and you know it. You can't apply Post Traumatic Stress disorder to every ******* thing that a soldier does. There are bad eggs out there and you know it... people who get a kick out of the stuff that they do.

Believe it or not, not everybody in the military is a good person or there for the right reasons. There are gang members in the military by the thousands who go there to receive training and combat experience and come back home to teach their fellow thugs. Don't believe me? Look up the military investigations into the matter. I don't automatically assume every soldier is there for the right reasons or is a good natured human being. I judge a person based on their actions, and you can't always chalk up the actions of a soldier to the ravages of war.

There's a reason why this sort of thing only comes out so often, it's because the rest of the soldiers are disciplined and they actually act like a soldier, not a barbarian.

And for the record, much of my family is military, even if I am not. I have an uncle in the Air Force, I have a cousin who will be joining the Air Force in his fathers footsteps, I have another cousin in the Navy as a Navy Hospital Corpsman, and I have a cousin who is a marine who is staying with us right now in our home while he works a job because he's down on his luck. I know and I respect the military in as great of a capacity as a civilian can.

Of course not everyone in the military is a good person. Obviously you've made up your mind without any direct experience. I get it. Many Conservatives are only understanding and / or sympathetic toward those who fit neatly in the "worthy of sympathy by Conservatives" box.
You're exactly the same - just the Liberal version.

Wrong again my friend. Pretty much my entire family is conservative(why the hell do you think we're in Texas to begin with?), and I am entirely understanding, sympathetic and loving towards all of them. I live and work among conservatives. My humanity doesn't have a political filter.

 

[Sunshine]

That's bullshit and you know it. You can't apply Post Traumatic Stress disorder to every ******* thing that a soldier does. There are bad eggs out there and you know it... people who get a kick out of the stuff that they do.

Believe it or not, not everybody in the military is a good person or there for the right reasons. There are gang members in the military by the thousands who go there to receive training and combat experience and come back home to teach their fellow thugs. Don't believe me? Look up the military investigations into the matter. I don't automatically assume every soldier is there for the right reasons or is a good natured human being. I judge a person based on their actions, and you can't always chalk up the actions of a soldier to the ravages of war.

There's a reason why this sort of thing only comes out so often, it's because the rest of the soldiers are disciplined and they actually act like a soldier, not a barbarian.

And for the record, much of my family is military, even if I am not. I have an uncle in the Air Force, I have a cousin who will be joining the Air Force in his fathers footsteps, I have another cousin in the Navy as a Navy Hospital Corpsman, and I have a cousin who is a marine who is staying with us right now in our home while he works a job because he's down on his luck. I know and I respect the military in as great of a capacity as a civilian can.

Of course not everyone in the military is a good person. Obviously you've made up your mind without any direct experience. I get it. Many Conservatives are only understanding and / or sympathetic toward those who fit neatly in the "worthy of sympathy by Conservatives" box.
You're exactly the same - just the Liberal version.

Wrong again my friend. Pretty much my entire family is conservative(why the hell do you think we're in Texas to begin with?), and I am entirely understanding, sympathetic and loving towards all of them. My humanity doesn't have a political filter.

The problem is that people like cowpile are so adamant for war to be politically correct that eventually the US will end up in the same place the Confederacy with all its talk of chivalry ended up.

This is America. We can criticize the government, even the military if we so choose. I have no problem with that. The problem I have is the miltary weakening itself in order to placate them. The response to this should have been 'Ladies and gentlemen we are at war. We will fight that war the way we see fit with or without your approval.'

My only beef with this is the camera.

 

[IndependntLogic]

That's bullshit and you know it. You can't apply Post Traumatic Stress disorder to every ******* thing that a soldier does. There are bad eggs out there and you know it... people who get a kick out of the stuff that they do.

Believe it or not, not everybody in the military is a good person or there for the right reasons. There are gang members in the military by the thousands who go there to receive training and combat experience and come back home to teach their fellow thugs. Don't believe me? Look up the military investigations into the matter. I don't automatically assume every soldier is there for the right reasons or is a good natured human being. I judge a person based on their actions, and you can't always chalk up the actions of a soldier to the ravages of war.

There's a reason why this sort of thing only comes out so often, it's because the rest of the soldiers are disciplined and they actually act like a soldier, not a barbarian.

And for the record, much of my family is military, even if I am not. I have an uncle in the Air Force, I have a cousin who will be joining the Air Force in his fathers footsteps, I have another cousin in the Navy as a Navy Hospital Corpsman, and I have a cousin who is a marine who is staying with us right now in our home while he works a job because he's down on his luck. I know and I respect the military in as great of a capacity as a civilian can.

Of course not everyone in the military is a good person. Obviously you've made up your mind without any direct experience. I get it. Many Conservatives are only understanding and / or sympathetic toward those who fit neatly in the "worthy of sympathy by Conservatives" box.
You're exactly the same - just the Liberal version.

Actually, not everyone in the military is a good person. Over the 20 years that I served from 1982 until 2002, here are some of the things that I saw...........

Working at NATTC in the mid 80's, there was a prostitution ring ran by female Marines.

During that time, I also saw a man accidentally kill his wife and carry her around in the trunk of her car for a week. The reason he was caught? The gate guard smelled the body. Apparently, he'd pushed her, she fell and caught a corner on the way down.

Also have processed paperwork on an MCPO who got kicked out and lost his retirement. What did he do? He was caught molesting his stepson.

In the mid 90's while stationed with a squadron, saw one of the mechs get arrested at the command by civilian AND military police. He'd raped one of his airmen at a party at his house, and yes......he was married.

So no. Not everyone in the military is a good person.

You realize I just said "not everyone in the military is a good person" right?

I've seen what you've seen and worse. Oh and if I gave the impression that I don't think these guys should be disciplined, let me correct that. They should. What I think is sad, is that it probably will be WAY disproportionate to the offense because this thing has become a PR and policital clusterfck.

 

[bodecea]

Of course not everyone in the military is a good person. Obviously you've made up your mind without any direct experience. I get it. Many Conservatives are only understanding and / or sympathetic toward those who fit neatly in the "worthy of sympathy by Conservatives" box.
You're exactly the same - just the Liberal version.

Wrong again my friend. Pretty much my entire family is conservative(why the hell do you think we're in Texas to begin with?), and I am entirely understanding, sympathetic and loving towards all of them. My humanity doesn't have a political filter.

The problem is that people like cowpile are so adamant for war to be politically correct that eventually the US will end up in the same place the Confederacy with all its talk of chivalry ended up.

This is America. We can criticize the government, even the military if we so choose. I have no problem with that. The problem I have is the miltary weakening itself in order to placate them. The response to this should have been 'Ladies and gentlemen we are at war. We will fight that war the way we see fit with or without your approval.'

My only beef with this is the camera.

Wait. Are you saying that the Confederacy lost because they were chivalous?

 

[SFC Ollie]

Gaybiker, when I want shit from you I'll ring your bell.

I am still against repealing DADT (Did you know at least one state is attempting to overturn that for their National Guard?)

And I am following the rules, first thing i said was to give these troops extra duty. Not my fault that the enemy we are fighting does much worse than this to our troops and gets a pass from you ***** *****.............

Like I said Stupid Fucker Called Ollie, you support troops breaking the Geneva Conventions and the Code of Conduct.

Good to know that such a great NCO such as yourself supports breaking international as well as military rules.

Sergeant First Class to you fuckface..........

 

[Sunshine]

Wrong again my friend. Pretty much my entire family is conservative(why the hell do you think we're in Texas to begin with?), and I am entirely understanding, sympathetic and loving towards all of them. My humanity doesn't have a political filter.

The problem is that people like cowpile are so adamant for war to be politically correct that eventually the US will end up in the same place the Confederacy with all its talk of chivalry ended up.

This is America. We can criticize the government, even the military if we so choose. I have no problem with that. The problem I have is the miltary weakening itself in order to placate them. The response to this should have been 'Ladies and gentlemen we are at war. We will fight that war the way we see fit with or without your approval.'

My only beef with this is the camera.

Wait. Are you saying that the Confederacy lost because they were chivalous?

They thought they could not lose because they were chivalrous. Just like the inane bullshitters on here who think we have to be PC in our wars. We will PC ourselves into oblivion. Sometimes higher ground is just an ant hill that will collapse the minute someone steps on it! We need to win our wars and THEN clean up the mess.