Two Questions re: Ukraine

[GLASNOST]

NEW YORK (AP) — President Donald Trump walked into a summit with Russia’s Vladimir Putin pressing for a ceasefire deal and threatening “severe consequences” and tough new sanctions if the Kremlin leader failed to agree to halt the fighting in Ukraine.

This is what happens when you encourage the MSM to write all sorts of bull shit as long as they are the first to print it.

 

[Nostra]

So now there is no war, getting Russia out of Ukraine wouldn't save any lives, and we're talking about Cuba.

Well, this is going about as I expected.

Troll thread gets trolled……..troll shocked.

 

[berg80]

This horse has been beaten to death many times over. You're basically asking "Why doesn't Russia give US everything WE want? We have them surrounded with NATO, why don't they just give up and let US have all their natural resources that WE have coveted for over a century?"

Switch the players around and imagine the US was surrounded by The East. What would America do? The exact same thing Russia is doing today.

You've made it sound as though the nations in proximity to Russia are hostile to it. That may be the view in Moscow (you aren't in Moscow are you?) but it doesn't reflect reality. Russia is the hostile actor given Putin's desire to reconstitute the Soviet empire.

Russia is not being asked to "give up" so its natural resources can be taken. It's being asked not to invade sovereign nations and behave as other nations in the international community do.

 

[GLASNOST]

.... Russia is the hostile actor given Putin's desire to reconstitute the Soviet empire.

I see you've been re-reading your go-to main source of info!

 

[blackhawk]

Russia started the war
What should trump be doing that he isn't?
Outside of putting boots on the ground in Ukraine which the left and most of the right would not support what would you like Trump to do?

 

[Correll]

I also have no doubt he wants to protect his current and future business interests with Russia.

All he has to do is tell Putin that he'll work with Europe and cripple Russia with more sanctions and secondary sanctions. Russia is already on the edge. He has the knockout punch in his pocket, and he could save a huge amount of lives. But he won't do it.

That can't be spun away.

Well, that is a very optimistic and self serving opinion.

Let's look at how self serving it is.


1. It allows you to low ball, massively the cost of the policy you are pushing. It won't take years of death and blood to win the war, just some "sanctions".

2. It allows you to paint your enemies in an insanely bad light, since they refuse to easily help the target of aggression.

3. And it really needs to be said on the other side, it allows you to side step cost justify the death and bloodshed of your policy, the real cost that it would really take.

4. And it takes off the board the real chance of LOSING the war, if the fighting continues. Ukraine has to been feelling the strain and it would be no shock to anyone if their front collapsed at any time.

 

[Hafar1014]

Actually the 'conflict' , at least the recent one the USofA is involved in goes back a decade Hafar

And yes, we were complicit because we wanted in on what is a country of natural resources within a grand trade route

The opportunists and predators (cough MIC cough) have been circling ever since

All off which is cloaked in the guise of 'democracy' among a people that have been on the invasion superhighway for a millennia without ever fighting for it

~S~

Obama was waste as well as Biden he refused to give them weapons. Trump started giving them the help they needed. Democrats failed again

 

[JoeB131]

You've made it sound as though the nations in proximity to Russia are hostile to it. That may be the view in Moscow (you aren't in Moscow are you?) but it doesn't reflect reality. Russia is the hostile actor given Putin's desire to reconstitute the Soviet empire.

Russia is not being asked to "give up" so its natural resources can be taken. It's being asked not to invade sovereign nations and behave as other nations in the international community do.

Um, yeah, how many countries has the US invaded in the last 30 years?

While there's no excuse for Putin's aggression, Russia has a valid concern.

When the Berlin Wall fell, American Diplomats promised Russia that NATO wouldn't expand past Germany. Instead, it has incorporated all of the former Warsaw Pact members, the Baltic states formerly part of the USSR, and now formerly neutral Sweden and Finland. And now we are talking about admiting Ukraine and Georgia as well?

The Russians have every reason to feel threatened, especially since they've been invaded from the west multiple times over the centuries.

 

[JoeB131]

Obama was waste as well as Biden he refused to give them weapons. Trump started giving them the help they needed. Democrats failed again

Stop Drinking The Bleach.

Trump isn't Jesus.

 

[Mac1958]

Lol. Your threads are always a hoot.

I’m not a Republican or a Democrat. Are you a Democrat?

The war started when Ears couped the elected government of Ukraine in 2014, installing a rabidly anti-Russian government that proceeded to murder Russian speakers in east Ukraine. I’m sure this is news to you. Look it up!

If you think doing all to remove Russia from Ukraine is acceptable government policy, you’re a fool. Do you want nuclear war over a Nazi infested corrupt nation?

Think better. Stick to what you know.

Stop posting flame threads.

If you don't like my posts or my threads, tough shit.

 

[JGalt]

The US is a signatory of the Budapest Memorandum, this is where US (with others) offered Security for Nuclear Arms...

Russia doesn't have the real capability to have a World War unless they use nuclear weapons... Putin does that, Russia would be destroyed. I think that might be unpopular in Russia too...

Ukraine can win this war, just give them Air Superiority with a Mercenary Airforce and increase the Mercenary Army too.. Bit of Anti Drone Tech and Russia will be retreating... Russia are pretty shit all things considering, this war has shown us how weak they really are.

I wouldn't take all the land back... Would take all the Crimea and most of the Donbas except for last 100 - 200 miles corridor... Use that for land swaps for Ukrainians and Russians to swap and live in country of choice. This also make Ukraine more Ukkrainian and gets rid of Russians who placed in Ukraine to make Ukraine more Russian... This will make joining EU and NATO easier as well, there would be a larger majority of Ukrainians voting...

Just who is supposed to furnish and fund this mercenary airforce, army, and anti-drone technology? You do understand that would mean deploying US soldiers to Ukraine, right? I'm not sure if you're going to get too many takers on that idea. The Ukraine War is a European problem. If President Trump can't solve it with diplomacy, then let the Europeans deal with it.

 

[Correll]

If you don't like my posts or my threads, tough shit.

The way you slipped your conclusion into your question as a premise,

was not good behavior on your part.

 

[Mac1958]

His primary concern is winning a Nobel Peace Prize. The problem being he also wants to appease Putin, the two desires being in conflict with each other.

Yep. Those are his primary motivations, along with protecting current and future personal business deals. And he's convinced his rubes he's about "the killing".

The moral, empathetic, altruistic Donald Trump. Too funny.

 

[GLASNOST]

Russia started the war

You mean the full scale invasion that never took place?

 

[struth]

Two political questions for one political party:

1. Republicans, who started the war in Ukraine?

2. Republicans, since Trump is so concerned about ending the war and saving lives, why isn't all his energy being spent doing what it takes to get Putin out of Ukraine?

No need for personal attacks or spin or changing the subject. Those are two clear, straightforward, and perfectly reasonable questions.

Donald Trump 'setting Zelensky up to fail' after Vladimir Putin's 'manipulation'

1) Obama
2) well there are many things that a President has to do, he has a Federal Govt to run, but with that said, a lot of energy is being spent getting Putin out of Ukraine.

 

[GLASNOST]

The way you slipped your conclusion into your question as a premise,

was not good behavior on your part.

What did you expect of him?

 

[gipper]

If you don't like my posts or my threads, tough shit.

Lol. Why so defensive?

In fact, I love your threads. They are always good for a laugh. They almost always reveal how little you know and invariably are veiled attempts at attacking Trump and Trumpers. Just admit it.

 

[berg80]

I see you've been re-reading your go-to main source of info!

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I see you haven't been reading anything at all, preferring to keep your head up your ass.

This time, when President Volodymyr Zelensky of Ukraine arrives in the Oval Office, he will come with backup.

An array of European prime ministers and presidents are flying in for the meeting on Monday to make sure that a viable, defensible Ukraine survives whatever carving up of its territory is about to happen at the negotiating table.

But they are also there to make certain that the trans-Atlantic alliance emerges intact. President Trump’s instant reversal on the critical issue of obtaining a cease-fire before negotiating over land or security guarantees has left many of them shaken, and wondering whether Mr. Trump had once again been swayed by President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia.

By most accounts, the European officials want to ensure that Mr. Trump has not pivoted too close to the Russian side, and does not try to strong-arm Mr. Zelensky into a deal that will ultimately sow the seeds of Ukraine’s dissolution. And they want to safeguard against the risk of the United States, the linchpin of European security since NATO’s creation in 1949, undermining that interest.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/08/17/us/politics/europe-trump-zelensky-putin.html?campaign_id=2&emc=edit_th_20250818&instance_id=160749&nl=today%27s-headlines&regi_id=65145149&segment_id=204108&user_id=fecdfdffdaaa11107b72f0f4f6e429cc

Perhaps you'd like to tell us what Russian propaganda's take is.

 

[Hafar1014]

Stop Drinking The Bleach.

Trump isn't Jesus.

Lets see if you can post an actual thought that responds to my statement instead of making a fool out of yourself. Im Jewish.

 

[gipper]

Russia started the war
What should trump be doing that he isn't?
Outside of putting boots on the ground in Ukraine which the left and most of the right would not support what would you like Trump to do?

Dumb. Russia did not start the war. The US did. Stop believing propaganda pushed by the state. You’re smarter than that.