Two Questions re: Ukraine

[Hellokitty]

Then we agree that he has no business being part of this process, and that he's in no position to make demands of anyone.. Good.

Unlike the Biden administration the TRUMP administration is fully capable of focusing on more than 1 thing at a time.

 

[GLASNOST]

...... along with the OP there are quite a few other Americans who are starved of information .

An understatement!

See * NATO since the '90s , *Minsk Agreements , * NATO ready to invade Donbass on March 1 , 2022 ,with a force twice the size of Russia at that point , and , *Following 8 years of being shelled / attacked by UAF every day . Losing ca.15000 with regular raiding incidents etc Also the implications of ca. 36 Bio Labs being found, many close to the border-- and all paid for and built by the US . And, btw , why did the US flatten three of them before Russian troops could reach them? What a coincidence of events !! Real world facts are the bare faced lying of MSM and the resultant complete ignorance by the Sheeple-----Russia has devastated the UAF who are now rebelling and surrendering en masse . As it stands , NATO forces and their mercenary proxies are incapable of stopping Russia reaching Odessa and linking up to Moldavia -- if Moscow chooses .
Any noises that the EU , GB and US make will continue to be attempted crowd pleasing , hollow and actually counter productive . Pentagon , Mossad and CIA know all of this . So . How much can Deep State scrape up to hang on to their money making corrupt schemes , and profits from Child trafficking , Adrenochrome production and distribution ( this implies underground torture bases ) and other drugs passing through -- from Afghanistan to the EU ? The EU and GB are potless and now the US has only Quantitative Easing remaining to raise funds --- creating more imaginary money by effectively monetising fake assets . On the world stage they cannot now even successfully sell Treasury Bills -- see last week's fiasco when they tried to raise $100 billion on 4 week ( !!!!!) bills .

I agree with everything you say .... and there's a lot so I can't reply to each point you make. But to make it very short I will make only one serious side note to your intro:

From the moment somebody talks about Russia having invaded, you know you are faced with an ignoramus

Yes, I can stomach that little misleading "mention" of theirs but I cannot stand by in silence when they call it a "full scale invasion". The buggers are completely brainless.

 

[Mac1958]

Unlike the Biden administration the TRUMP administration is fully capable of focusing on more than 1 thing at a time.

Okay, so you actually support what he's doing.

That's what I figured.

 

[citygator]

And WHAT?
Your now going with the let's take everything Trump says VERBATIM out of context to shape a desired NARRATIVE game?
Just STFU.

The nature of the meeting was very deferential to Putin as the big dog. Very embarrassing for the US. But regardless of the optics Trump showered him with praise while he was there and applied zero pressure. As usual he comes out of a closed door session with Putin visibly shaken and talks about putting pressure on Zelensky.

MSNBC Host: Karoline Leavitt Looked ‘Ashen’ After Putin Meet

Antonia Hylton cited reporting from the summit that suggested Karoline Leavitt looked frightened after meeting with Putin.

www.thedailybeast.com

 

[GLASNOST]

- why should any POTUS focus all their energy on solving problems for other countries?

That is a question that is deserving more and more attention as history marches on.

 

[SeaMajor7]

The nature of the meeting was very deferential to Putin as the big dog. Very embarrassing for the US. But regardless of the optics Trump showered him with praise while he was there and applied zero pressure. As usual he comes out of a closed door session with Putin visibly shaken and talks about putting pressure on Zelensky.

MSNBC Host: Karoline Leavitt Looked ‘Ashen’ After Putin Meet

Antonia Hylton cited reporting from the summit that suggested Karoline Leavitt looked frightened after meeting with Putin.

www.thedailybeast.com

Cool NARRATIVE.

 

[JoeB131]

Okay, so you actually support what he's doing.

That's what I figured.

I support what he's trying to do.

I just don't think he has the competence to pull it off. And even if he did, neither Zelenskyy nor Putin is ready to negotiate in good faith, even though their peoples are sick of this war.

 

[GLASNOST]

Neville Chamberlain is a great example of the democrats view of evil. Look at Bidens Iran policies

So, for you it's all about what party you belong to. Think of all the scholars, philosophers, and political geniuses who wasted their money & lives trying to find solutions to the problems of humanity when all they needed to do was ask you.

 

[Correll]

Two political questions for one political party:

1. Republicans, who started the war in Ukraine?

2. Republicans, since Trump is so concerned about ending the war and saving lives, why isn't all his energy being spent doing what it takes to get Putin out of Ukraine?

No need for personal attacks or spin or changing the subject. Those are two clear, straightforward, and perfectly reasonable questions.

Donald Trump 'setting Zelensky up to fail' after Vladimir Putin's 'manipulation'

1. Russia. Though considering the balance of power, Ukraine should have been more diplomatic.

2. "out of ukraine"? Nice way to slip in your conclusion as a premise. Getting PUtin OUT of ukraine would require much war and oceans of blood. Once again, the left is all about framing the debate, to prevent real discussion.

 

[GLASNOST]

Okay, so you actually support what he's doing. That's what I figured.

Is your head stuck in a fish bowl? Have you never worn white shoes with black shoelaces?

 

[Hafar1014]

So, for you it's all about what party you belong to. Think of all the scholars, philosophers, and political geniuses who wasted their money & lives trying to find solutions to the problems of humanity when all they needed to do was ask you.

No its about being a cowards in the face of evil. A common trait among the left

 

[sparky]

1. Republicans, who started the war in Ukraine?

Greed

2. Republicans, since Trump is so concerned about ending the war and saving lives, why isn't all his energy being spent doing what it takes to get Putin out of Ukraine?

Because at this point the Ukranians don't care who they hail to

~S~

 

[Hafar1014]

Greed

Because at this point the Ukranians don't care who they hail to

~S~

The war started after Biden was elected, Putin knew he was impaired and his management of Afghanistan proved how was incompetent. Biden is always too little too late always dragging his feet. Remember the China spy balloon. Incompetent senile and an idiot who couldn't mange the government

 

[GLASNOST]

No its about being a cowards in the face of evil. A common trait among the left

I have met people like you from the left and the right: cowards each and every one of them.

 

[sealybobo]

Two questions for Leftists.

One, if the US didn't embargo oil to Japan, would they have bombed Pearl Harbor?

The Path to Pearl Harbor

On December 7, 1941, Japan staged a surprise attack on Pearl Harbor, decimating the US Pacific Fleet. When Germany and Italy declared war on the United States days later, America found itself in a global war.

www.nationalww2museum.org

Two, are you goinTrump had emerged from the meeting in a weaker position on the world stage because of his reversal. Other leaders, she said, might now look at the U.S. president and think he’s “not the big guy that he thinks he is and certainly not the dealmaking genius.”g to send your kids to fight Putin and save Ukraine?

NEW YORK (AP) — President Donald Trump walked into a summit with Russia’s Vladimir Putin pressing for a ceasefire deal and threatening “severe consequences” and tough new sanctions if the Kremlin leader failed to agree to halt the fighting in Ukraine.
Instead, Trump was the one who stood down, dropping his demand for a ceasefire in favor of pursuing a full peace accord — a position that aligns with Putin’s.

It was a dramatic reversal that laid bare the challenges of dealing with Putin, a cunning adversary, as well as the complexities of a conflict that Trump had repeatedly boasted during his campaign that he could solve within 24 hours.

 

[Billiejeens]

↑↑↑ A prisoner of confirmation bias.

And apparently, he is being tortured.

 

[berg80]

2. Republicans, since Trump is so concerned about ending the war and saving lives, why isn't all his energy being spent doing what it takes to get Putin out of Ukraine?

His primary concern is winning a Nobel Peace Prize. The problem being he also wants to appease Putin, the two desires being in conflict with each other.

 

[GLASNOST]

The war started after Biden was elected, Putin knew he was impaired

True. Not a bad point.

Biden is always too little too late always dragging his feet. Remember the China spy balloon. Incompetent senile and an idiot who couldn't mange the government

This is where I disagree. Biden stumbled forward every step of the way, being prodded from behind. "Dragging his feet" is what he should have done. Him moving forward is what initiated the Russia/EU/US/Ukraine conflict in the first place.

 

[gipper]

Two political questions for one political party:

1. Republicans, who started the war in Ukraine?

2. Republicans, since Trump is so concerned about ending the war and saving lives, why isn't all his energy being spent doing what it takes to get Putin out of Ukraine?

No need for personal attacks or spin or changing the subject. Those are two clear, straightforward, and perfectly reasonable questions.

Donald Trump 'setting Zelensky up to fail' after Vladimir Putin's 'manipulation'

Lol. Your threads are always a hoot.

I’m not a Republican or a Democrat. Are you a Democrat?

The war started when Ears couped the elected government of Ukraine in 2014, installing a rabidly anti-Russian government that proceeded to murder Russian speakers in east Ukraine. I’m sure this is news to you. Look it up!

If you think doing all to remove Russia from Ukraine is acceptable government policy, you’re a fool. Do you want nuclear war over a Nazi infested corrupt nation?

Think better. Stick to what you know.

Stop posting flame threads.

 

[sparky]

The war started after Biden was elected,

Actually the 'conflict' , at least the recent one the USofA is involved in goes back a decade Hafar

And yes, we were complicit because we wanted in on what is a country of natural resources within a grand trade route

The opportunists and predators (cough MIC cough) have been circling ever since

All off which is cloaked in the guise of 'democracy' among a people that have been on the invasion superhighway for a millennia without ever fighting for it

~S~