Two New Yorkers who moved to my area saw explosions bring down World Trade Centers

[Fizz]

Here's a good place to start your search

how embarrassing. more people signing a petition to keep the name "Sears Tower" than your insignificant amount of Architects and Engineers petition......

It's the SEARS Tower. Petition To Save the Name!

 

[georgephillip]

Toro:

Kindly point out all morons among the more that 300 9/11 survivors, victims, and family members that contradict or are critical of the 9/11 Commission Report found here.

Start with William Rodriguez the last person to leave the building on September 11, 2001 and who's been credited with saving many lives.

Prior to any airplane impact William and 14 others were in sub-basement B1 of the North Tower, approximately 1100 feet below the airplane's impact point when they heard the sound of an explosion beneath their feet. "...the walls started cracking and everything started shaking," said Mr. Rodriguez.

Have you deduced William a nutjob or moron?

How would you characterize the critical thinking skills of those who believe two planes toppled three steel framed skyscrapers at nearly free-fall speeds?

 

[georgephillip]

Here's a good place to start your search

how embarrassing. more people signing a petition to keep the name "Sears Tower" than your insignificant amount of Architects and Engineers petition......

It's the SEARS Tower. Petition To Save the Name!

Amateur Night.

 

[georgephillip]

what "molten steel"?
i have asked MULTIPLE times for PROOF of "molten steel" but NONE of you ******* troofer morons can produce any

Here's a good place to start your search

no, dipshit
dont give ******* search results
i want a direct link

What makes you think you're worth a direct link?

 

[DiveCon]

Here's a good place to start your search

no, dipshit
dont give ******* search results
i want a direct link

What makes you think you're worth a direct link?

because you dont have one
that search was nothing but shit links
dipshit

 

[Toro]

How would you characterize the critical thinking skills of those who believe two planes toppled three steel framed skyscrapers at nearly free-fall speeds?

George

First this has nothing to do with you.

Second I would describe someone's critical thinking skills who believes that a building could not fall because "that is not how it was designed" as moronic.

 

[martybegan]

Toro:

Kindly point out all morons among the more that 300 9/11 survivors, victims, and family members that contradict or are critical of the 9/11 Commission Report found here.

Start with William Rodriguez the last person to leave the building on September 11, 2001 and who's been credited with saving many lives.

Prior to any airplane impact William and 14 others were in sub-basement B1 of the North Tower, approximately 1100 feet below the airplane's impact point when they heard the sound of an explosion beneath their feet. "...the walls started cracking and everything started shaking," said Mr. Rodriguez.

Have you deduced William a nutjob or moron?

How would you characterize the critical thinking skills of those who believe two planes toppled three steel framed skyscrapers at nearly free-fall speeds?

When a plane slams into a building it creates a lateral force. This force is resisted by frame of the building, which transfers said force to the foundation, which then has to resist said lateral force. Not resisting said force would cause the building to "snap" at some point below the impact point as the lateral force exceeds the integrity of the building. Even if the force is resisted, one would think that such a force would impact the foundation, more than likey causing the effects you are talking about.

This of course is assuming what you are saying is true, as you link no verifiable source.

 

[martybegan]

wow, have you been given bad info!!!!!

you think 3 skyscrapers were PULVERIZED!!?

yeah, exactly
you can not have a serious discussion of the issues surrounding 9/11 with total morons that think like that

From the "morons"at AE 911 Truth.org

Over 100 first responders reported explosions and flashes.
Multi ton steel sections ejected laterally.
Mid air pulverization of 90,000 tons of concrete and metal decking.

Massive volume of expanding pyroclastic-like clouds.
1200 foot diameter debris field: no "pancaked" floors found.
Several tons of molten metal found under all 3 high rises.

Evidences of thermite incendiaries found by FEMA in steel samples.

From what I have read this "pulverization" concept comes from is the result of most of the dust samples being taken further away from the collapse zone. This skews the results towards finer particles, as they can travel the farthest. Most of the concrete debris was macroscopic in nature, and fell into the collapse area. When you slam two 600 ton concrete blocks into each other as the offical collapse mechanism explains you have more than enough kinetic energy to crush the concrete and expel a portion of it sideways.

This is a good paper on the issue

http://www.911myths.com/WTCONC1.pdf

And what is "evidence" of thermite in steel samples?

 

[georgephillip]

Toro:

Kindly point out all morons among the more that 300 9/11 survivors, victims, and family members that contradict or are critical of the 9/11 Commission Report found here.

Start with William Rodriguez the last person to leave the building on September 11, 2001 and who's been credited with saving many lives.

Prior to any airplane impact William and 14 others were in sub-basement B1 of the North Tower, approximately 1100 feet below the airplane's impact point when they heard the sound of an explosion beneath their feet. "...the walls started cracking and everything started shaking," said Mr. Rodriguez.

Have you deduced William a nutjob or moron?

How would you characterize the critical thinking skills of those who believe two planes toppled three steel framed skyscrapers at nearly free-fall speeds?

When a plane slams into a building it creates a lateral force. This force is resisted by frame of the building, which transfers said force to the foundation, which then has to resist said lateral force. Not resisting said force would cause the building to "snap" at some point below the impact point as the lateral force exceeds the integrity of the building. Even if the force is resisted, one would think that such a force would impact the foundation, more than likey causing the effects you are talking about.

This of course is assuming what you are saying is true, as you link no verifiable source.

Prior to any airplane impact William and 14 others were in sub-basement B1 of the North Tower...

Define "verifiable source"

 

[JWBooth]

I now know two New Yorkers who watched the World Trade Centers come down first hand and up close.

They moved to a new area because of what they saw.

They say what they saw was definately explosives that brought down the World Trade Center buildings.

They seen and heard the explosives as far down as 30 floors below from where the top floors coming down.

Geeze, you start believing the stories that a couple of shittin new yawkers lay on you and the next thing you know you will be holding onto the title to the brooklyn bridge.

 

[DiveCon]

Toro:

Kindly point out all morons among the more that 300 9/11 survivors, victims, and family members that contradict or are critical of the 9/11 Commission Report found here.

Start with William Rodriguez the last person to leave the building on September 11, 2001 and who's been credited with saving many lives.

Prior to any airplane impact William and 14 others were in sub-basement B1 of the North Tower, approximately 1100 feet below the airplane's impact point when they heard the sound of an explosion beneath their feet. "...the walls started cracking and everything started shaking," said Mr. Rodriguez.

Have you deduced William a nutjob or moron?

How would you characterize the critical thinking skills of those who believe two planes toppled three steel framed skyscrapers at nearly free-fall speeds?

When a plane slams into a building it creates a lateral force. This force is resisted by frame of the building, which transfers said force to the foundation, which then has to resist said lateral force. Not resisting said force would cause the building to "snap" at some point below the impact point as the lateral force exceeds the integrity of the building. Even if the force is resisted, one would think that such a force would impact the foundation, more than likey causing the effects you are talking about.

This of course is assuming what you are saying is true, as you link no verifiable source.

Prior to any airplane impact William and 14 others were in sub-basement B1 of the North Tower...

Define "verifiable source"

WIlliams story changed at least twice
how is that credible?

 

[Godboy]

I now know two New Yorkers who watched the World Trade Centers come down first hand and up close.

They moved to a new area because of what they saw.

They say what they saw was definately explosives that brought down the World Trade Center buildings.

They seen and heard the explosives as far down as 30 floors below from where the top floors coming down.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31g0YE61PLQ]YouTube - The Office- Michael Scott No God No[/ame]

 

[slackjawed]

 

[martybegan]

Toro:

Kindly point out all morons among the more that 300 9/11 survivors, victims, and family members that contradict or are critical of the 9/11 Commission Report found here.

Start with William Rodriguez the last person to leave the building on September 11, 2001 and who's been credited with saving many lives.

Prior to any airplane impact William and 14 others were in sub-basement B1 of the North Tower, approximately 1100 feet below the airplane's impact point when they heard the sound of an explosion beneath their feet. "...the walls started cracking and everything started shaking," said Mr. Rodriguez.

Have you deduced William a nutjob or moron?

How would you characterize the critical thinking skills of those who believe two planes toppled three steel framed skyscrapers at nearly free-fall speeds?

When a plane slams into a building it creates a lateral force. This force is resisted by frame of the building, which transfers said force to the foundation, which then has to resist said lateral force. Not resisting said force would cause the building to "snap" at some point below the impact point as the lateral force exceeds the integrity of the building. Even if the force is resisted, one would think that such a force would impact the foundation, more than likey causing the effects you are talking about.

This of course is assuming what you are saying is true, as you link no verifiable source.

Prior to any airplane impact William and 14 others were in sub-basement B1 of the North Tower...

Define "verifiable source"

Seismic Proof?

Seismology data showing single explosion.

Also according to his testimony the "explosions" were seconds apart. Could that have anything to do with the transfer of the force through the structure being faster than the speed of sound through air?

 

[georgephillip]

yeah, exactly
you can not have a serious discussion of the issues surrounding 9/11 with total morons that think like that

From the "morons"at AE 911 Truth.org

Over 100 first responders reported explosions and flashes.
Multi ton steel sections ejected laterally.
Mid air pulverization of 90,000 tons of concrete and metal decking.

Massive volume of expanding pyroclastic-like clouds.
1200 foot diameter debris field: no "pancaked" floors found.
Several tons of molten metal found under all 3 high rises.

Evidences of thermite incendiaries found by FEMA in steel samples.

From what I have read this "pulverization" concept comes from is the result of most of the dust samples being taken further away from the collapse zone. This skews the results towards finer particles, as they can travel the farthest. Most of the concrete debris was macroscopic in nature, and fell into the collapse area. When you slam two 600 ton concrete blocks into each other as the offical collapse mechanism explains you have more than enough kinetic energy to crush the concrete and expel a portion of it sideways.

This is a good paper on the issue

http://www.911myths.com/WTCONC1.pdf

And what is "evidence" of thermite in steel samples?

An abstract with links for Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from the 9/11 World Trade Center Catastrophe.

 

[georgephillip]

How would you characterize the critical thinking skills of those who believe two planes toppled three steel framed skyscrapers at nearly free-fall speeds?

George

First this has nothing to do with you.

Second I would describe someone's critical thinking skills who believes that a building could not fall because "that is not how it was designed" as moronic.

While I'm not exactly clear on what "that is not how it was designed" applies to, would you agree with Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth that WTC 7 a 47 story high rise that was not struck by an airplane exhibited "all the characteristics of classic controlled demolition with explosives?"

Including:

"Rapid onset of 'collapse'"?
"Sounds of explosions at ground floor a second before the building's destruction"?
"Symmetrical 'structural failure' through the path of greatest resistance -- at free fall acceleration"?

 

[martybegan]

From the "morons"at AE 911 Truth.org

Over 100 first responders reported explosions and flashes.
Multi ton steel sections ejected laterally.
Mid air pulverization of 90,000 tons of concrete and metal decking.

Massive volume of expanding pyroclastic-like clouds.
1200 foot diameter debris field: no "pancaked" floors found.
Several tons of molten metal found under all 3 high rises.

Evidences of thermite incendiaries found by FEMA in steel samples.

From what I have read this "pulverization" concept comes from is the result of most of the dust samples being taken further away from the collapse zone. This skews the results towards finer particles, as they can travel the farthest. Most of the concrete debris was macroscopic in nature, and fell into the collapse area. When you slam two 600 ton concrete blocks into each other as the offical collapse mechanism explains you have more than enough kinetic energy to crush the concrete and expel a portion of it sideways.

This is a good paper on the issue

http://www.911myths.com/WTCONC1.pdf

And what is "evidence" of thermite in steel samples?

An abstract with links for Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from the 9/11 World Trade Center Catastrophe.

Havent digested the whole thing. A few immidiate issues with it however:

1. Bentham? This is a site that is the "wiki" of scientific papers. Anyone can get published in it for the right amount of $$. This is not a true peer reviewed journal, such as one from the AiChE or ACS.

2. Right off the bat the method of sample collection basically rules out true determination of the samples sources. That and the small number of samples collected. Four samples?

I tried to look up a critique paper but have not had sucess as I dont want to just quote some message board response. Search is hampered by 2000 copies of the same original report popping up on the search. Also since the paper is only from 2009 a true crituque may not be availible yet.

 

[Gamolon]

Toro:

Kindly point out all morons among the more that 300 9/11 survivors, victims, and family members that contradict or are critical of the 9/11 Commission Report found here.

And you show me where they disagree with the fact that the towers came down due to plane impacts and resultant fires. Also show me where they suggest that the towers or other buildings were brought down using explosives or other types of demolition. Here's a link to all their questions. Please do a search for keywords and show me what you come up with. I did a search of "bombs", "explosives", "thermite", "explosives", "explosions", and "demolition". Guess what? NOTHING...
Questions

Start with William Rodriguez the last person to leave the building on September 11, 2001 and who's been credited with saving many lives.

Prior to any airplane impact William and 14 others were in sub-basement B1 of the North Tower, approximately 1100 feet below the airplane's impact point when they heard the sound of an explosion beneath their feet. "...the walls started cracking and everything started shaking," said Mr. Rodriguez.

Tell you what. Provide me proof on how William knew when exactly the planes hit and when the explosion he felt happened. Let's start there.

So we are clear, you are saying that William heard/felt the explosions in the basement and THEN the planes hit. How did he know the planes hit after the basement explosion? Should be easy.

 

[Gamolon]

How would you characterize the critical thinking skills of those who believe two planes toppled

For the 500 millionth time. Planes did not topple the towers. The towers withstood the initial impact. An impact is at a single moment, not spanned over time. If I punched someone in the head and they didn't fall over, but being dazed, turned around walk about 10 steps and tripped over a bicycle and fell down, did the impact of my punch knock them over or did they trip over the bike and fall down?

three steel framed skyscrapers at nearly free-fall speeds?

Nearly free fall speeds? Can you tell me what those speeds are please?

 

[Gamolon]

"Sounds of explosions at ground floor a second before the building's destruction"?

I've heard people describe tornadoes as sounding like "freight trains". Does that mean that there were trains barreling through along with the tornado?

"Symmetrical 'structural failure' through the path of greatest resistance -- at free fall acceleration"?

Symmetrical structural failure? Really? How does the mechanical penthouse collapsing into the building proper FIRST, followed be the collapse of the rest of the building equal a "symmetrical collapse"? Here's the video:
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bjrAJVp4ds]YouTube - 9/11 - WTC 7 Collapse (penthouse)[/ame]

Watch the penthouse collapse in the beginning and then about 8 seconds later the rest of the building comes down.