The Indexes are down strongly today (January 29th)!

[Luckyone]

For starters, it is very diffcult to say that Trump was not successful. He net worth increased dramatically over the years. Sure, he had some failures, but by all accounts he has been successful.

Secondly, you missed my point. My point was that many anti-Trumpers don't like him because of his personality. They don't care about results, his personality "trumps" anything he does. That is a very idealistic way of looking at things. I know that I was doing much better under Trump during his first term pre-COVID. I know that I am doing better now than I was under Biden. I don't care if Trump hurts people's feelings or not. The proof is in the pudding. If we didn't have so many child-like minded, idealistic people in this country and around the world, particularly in Western Europe, this wouldn't be an issue.

First of all, with the money his father gave him. if he has invested it in the SPX index and done NOTHING, he would be richer now. He was nowhere near as successful as others who started with nothing.

Secondly, this is not about liking or disliking him (or anyone else). It is about helping or making things worse for Americans

 

[Luckyone]

Yes, and I disagree with his take on tariffs. He was wrong. It happens.

I am so happy to know that you know more than Reagan did (about tariffs).

 

[Mac-7]

I am so happy to know that you know more than Reagan did (about tariffs).

China did not exist as a mercantilist dragon in Reagan’s day

American industry was strong and seemingly invincible

I think he might change his views if Reagan were alive today

Because he was an America First president

 

[Luckyone]

China did not exist as a mercantilist dragon in Reagan’s day

American industry was strong and seemingly invincible

I think he might change his views if Reagan were alive today

Because he was an America First president

First president? China did not exist as a mercantilistic dragon?

I think you should Google that information a seeing it. Lsupports your words

 

[Mac-7]

First president? China did not exist as a mercantilistic dragon?

I think you should Google that information a seeing it. Lsupports your words

I dont know what you are trying to say

But china was no danger economically prior to the 1990’s and that was long after Reagan was dead

 

[Papageorgio]

I am so happy to know that you know more than Reagan did (about tariffs).

So you believe everything Reagan said was right? Interesting how you think that way.

 

[Papageorgio]

First president? China did not exist as a mercantilistic dragon?

I think you should Google that information a seeing it. Lsupports your words

China’s economy in 1980 was behind, the United States, USSR, Japan, West Germany, France, UK,Italy, and Canada, in that order.

In 1989 China’s economy was behind the Untied States, Japan, West Germany, France, Italy, UK, Canada, USSR in that order.

So maybe you should learn how to use Google, goofy.

 

[SweetTea]

First of all, with the money his father gave him. if he has invested it in the SPX index and done NOTHING, he would be richer now

Seems as though you bought into another false narrative. Trump’s share of his dad’s inheritance was about 177 million in 1999. If he earned 9%(middled ground of the S&P over the last 27 years) he would be worth 1.82 billion. If he earned 10%, he would be worth 2.38 billion. His current net worth is between 6.3 and 7 billion. It fluctuates, but both far exceed any earnings he would have made from simply invested in the S&P. His net worth has grown over 3 times more than had he simply invested it.

Face it, you bought into a false narrative because it feeds your confirmation bias. This same phenomena happens when you evaluate the effects of his policies on the economy and the markets.

Secondly, this is not about liking or disliking him (or anyone else). It is about helping or making things worse for Americans

Trump is not making things worse for Americans. That is just more rhetoric. He is making things worse for some Western European countries who are being asked to grow up. They liked the old US, that would acquiesce to their idealism.

I am so happy to know that you know more than Reagan did (about tariffs).

I don’t agree with everything any President does. If you do, then you have a problem.

 

[Luckyone]

Seems as though you bought into another false narrative. Trump’s share of his dad’s inheritance was about 177 million in 1999. If he earned 9%(middled ground of the S&P over the last 27 years) he would be worth 1.82 billion. If he earned 10%, he would be worth 2.38 billion. His current net worth is between 6.3 and 7 billion. It fluctuates, but both far exceed any earnings he would have made from simply invested in the S&P. His net worth has grown over 3 times more than had he simply invested it.

A 2018 New York Times investigation revealed that Donald Trump received the equivalent of at least $413 million in today's dollars from his father, Fred Trump, over his lifetime. This fortune was accumulated through, among other methods, assisting in tax avoidance strategies, including receiving income as a toddler, and loans that were not repaid.

Face it, you bought into a false narrative because it feeds your confirmation bias. This same phenomena happens when you evaluate the effects of his policies on the economy and the markets. Trump is not making things worse for Americans. That is just more rhetoric. He is making things worse for some Western European countries who are being asked to grow up. They liked the old US, that would acquiesce to their idealism.

Tell that to these people:

According to the Congressional Budget Office, these draconian health care cuts will terminate health insurance for roughly 15 million Americans.

or to Americans in general:

During the first year of the second Trump administration (2025), affordability challenges worsened, with reports showing grocery prices rising roughly 5% and a typical household spending about $1,625 more annually due to inflation. Broad tariffs significantly increased costs for consumer goods, with healthcare costs rising nearly 10% and electricity prices by 6.9%.

I don’t agree with everything any President does. If you do, then you have a problem.

Tell me what you don't agree on............... how much damage is being done with those things you do not agree on?

 

[Papageorgio]

A 2018 New York Times investigation revealed that Donald Trump received the equivalent of at least $413 million in today's dollars from his father, Fred Trump, over his lifetime. This fortune was accumulated through, among other methods, assisting in tax avoidance strategies, including receiving income as a toddler, and loans that were not repaid.


Tell that to these people:

According to the Congressional Budget Office, these draconian health care cuts will terminate health insurance for roughly 15 million Americans.

or to Americans in general:

During the first year of the second Trump administration (2025), affordability challenges worsened, with reports showing grocery prices rising roughly 5% and a typical household spending about $1,625 more annually due to inflation. Broad tariffs significantly increased costs for consumer goods, with healthcare costs rising nearly 10% and electricity prices by 6.9%.


Tell me what you don't agree on............... how much damage is being done with those things you do not agree on?

More lies from the spin doctor. The tariffs increased the annual inflation by 0.7%. Any other BS you want to add to your lies?

 

[SweetTea]

A 2018 New York Times investigation revealed that Donald Trump received the equivalent of at least $413 million in today's dollars

You can't use today's dollars to calculate his inheritance from 27 years ago. That's just stupid. I can't believe you people fall for that kind of stuff. He inherited 177 million. He is not worth between 6 to 7 billion.

According to the Congressional Budget Office, these draconian health care cuts will terminate health insurance for roughly 15 million Americans.

You mean the additional COVID subsidies? That isn't a cut, it's not extending additional subsidies, what's the Democrats voted to let expire this year.

During the first year of the second Trump administration (2025), affordability challenges worsened, with reports showing grocery prices rising roughly 5% and a typical household spending about $1,625 more annually due to inflation. Broad tariffs significantly increased costs for consumer goods, with healthcare costs rising nearly 10% and electricity prices by 6.9%.

Inflation is not higher despite the tariffs. Why don't you run the same numbers under Biden?

 

[Luckyone]

You can't use today's dollars to calculate his inheritance from 27 years ago. That's just stupid. I can't believe you people fall for that kind of stuff. He inherited 177 million. He is not worth between 6 to 7 billion.

Based on an approximate 11.78%11.78% average annual return for the S&P 500 (with dividends reinvested) from 1976 to early 2026, a $177 million investment in 1976 would grow significantly. A $100 investment in 1976 grew to over $26,154$ 26 comma 154 by early 2026, representing a 26026% - fold increase.

Therefore, $177 million would be worth roughly $46 billion in 2026

Donald Trump gained control of the bulk of his father’s real estate empire on November 22, 1997, about 18 months before Fred Trump died. However, he was a beneficiary of trust funds starting in 1949 and received significant financial backing, including $1 million trusts set up in 1976.

• 1949–1950s: Became a millionaire by age 8 due to trust funds established by his father and grandmother.
• 1976: Received a $1 million trust fund from his father.
• 1980s: Received millions in loans and financial support.

You mean the additional COVID subsidies? That isn't a cut, it's not extending additional subsidies, what's the Democrats voted to let expire this year.

Those people will be losing their health care!!! Not being replaced with anything

Inflation is not higher despite the tariffs. Why don't you run the same numbers under Biden?

Biden had high inflation because of the pandemic and not because he did anything to raise inflation. Inflation grew more for other countries than here. We had lower inflation due to Biden than other countries did

 

[SweetTea]

Based on an approximate 11.78%11.78% average annual return for the S&P 500 (with dividends reinvested) from 1976 to early 2026, a $177 million investment in 1976 would grow significantly. A $100 investment in 1976 grew to over $26,154$ 26 comma 154 by early 2026, representing a 26026% - fold increase.

I already gave you the numbers. There's no denying that his wealth has grown much faster than and had he invested his money in the S&P.

Those people will be losing their health care!!! Not being replaced with anything

That's because they spend the extra money they received from the COVID subsidy on something else. Oh well. They need to direct that money back to healthcare to cover the loss of the additional subsidy. It's called personal responsibility. It isn't as if they are not being heavily subsidized as it is.

Biden had high inflation because of the pandemic and not because he did anything to raise inflation. Inflation grew more for other countries than here. We had lower inflation due to Biden than other countries did

What I am saying is that current inflation under Trump is no higher than it was under Biden in 2024 despite tariffs. Have you figured out why that is yet? If inflation is no higher and we're collecting a lot of tariffs, some of which is from foreign exporters and manufacturers, why is that not a good thing?

 

[Luckyone]

I already gave you the numbers. There's no denying that his wealth has grown much faster than and had he invested his money in the S&P.

Here, let me "shock you" with data you are likely unfamiliar with.

In 1999, Trump was broke as he owed close to $1 billion in 1999 and he had to go to the German bank (Deutsche Bank) for them to loan him money. That bank had connections to the Russian Mafia.

In 2001, Trump joined a group called The Bayrock Group which also had ties to the Russian Mafia and it was THEM that helped him get out of financial trouble:

The Bayrock Group, a real estate firm founded by Tevfik Arif, was instrumental in developing the Trump SoHo project, which involved significant funding from investors with ties to the former Soviet Union, aiding Donald Trump's projects in the mid-2000s. While specific, total debt-reduction figures are complex, Bayrock and its partner, Felix Sater, provided crucial investment and financing, including over $30 million used to finance U.S. investments.
The Bayrock Group also "taught" Trump the following lesson that taught him something that he had never used before:
The Bayrock Group facilitated a crucial shift in his business model—from a debt-heavy developer to a brand-licensing entity—that allowed him to make money by licensing his name to projects funded by others.

If it had not been for them (and the Russian Mafia helping him with loans, Trump would have gone bankrupt. His debt of close to $1 billion was a personal debt (not a business debt) and had he been unable to pay it, he would have gone totally bankrupt

That's because they spend the extra money they received from the COVID subsidy on something else. Oh well. They need to direct that money back to healthcare to cover the loss of the additional subsidy. It's called personal responsibility. It isn't as if they are not being heavily subsidized as it is.

they have no health insurance

What I am saying is that current inflation under Trump is no higher than it was under Biden in 2024 despite tariffs. Have you figured out why that is yet? If inflation is no higher and we're collecting a lot of tariffs, some of which is from foreign exporters and manufacturers, why is that not a good thing?

Reagan said it "tariffs can do some good at the BEGINNING but longer term they bring a lot of negatives"

 

[SweetTea]

If it had not been for them (and the Russian Mafia helping him with loans, Trump would have gone bankrupt. His debt of close to $1 billion was a personal debt (not a business debt) and had he been unable to pay it, he would. have gone totally bankrupt

I don't care about any of this. The bottom line is he is far wealthier now than he would have been had he simply invested his money in the S&P. That means he figured out a way to make more money than you could have.

they have no health insurance

Because they choose to use that extra money on something else. That's their choice.

Reagan said it "tariffs can do some good at the BEGINNING but longer term they bring a lot of negatives"

And he was wrong. Did you agree with all of Reagan's policies?

 

[Papageorgio]

Here, let me "shock you" with data you are likely unfamiliar with.

In 1999, Trump was broke as he owed close to $1 billion in 1999 and he had to go to the German bank (Deutsche Bank) for them to loan him money. That bank had connections to the Russian Mafia.

In 2001, Trump joined a group called The Bayrock Group which also had ties to the Russian Mafia and it was THEM that helped him get out of financial trouble:

The Bayrock Group, a real estate firm founded by Tevfik Arif, was instrumental in developing the Trump SoHo project, which involved significant funding from investors with ties to the former Soviet Union, aiding Donald Trump's projects in the mid-2000s. While specific, total debt-reduction figures are complex, Bayrock and its partner, Felix Sater, provided crucial investment and financing, including over $30 million used to finance U.S. investments.
The Bayrock Group also "taught" Trump the following lesson that taught him something that he had never used before:
The Bayrock Group facilitated a crucial shift in his business model—from a debt-heavy developer to a brand-licensing entity—that allowed him to make money by licensing his name to projects funded by others.

If it had not been for them (and the Russian Mafia helping him with loans, Trump would have gone bankrupt. His debt of close to $1 billion was a personal debt (not a business debt) and had he been unable to pay it, he would have gone totally bankrupt





they have no health insurance


Reagan said it "tariffs can do some good at the BEGINNING but longer term they bring a lot of negatives"

And tariffs are still at the BEGINNING, so now you are walking back what you earlier claimed. Thanks for a moment of honesty.

 

[Hafar1014]

Here, let me "shock you" with data you are likely unfamiliar with.

In 1999, Trump was broke as he owed close to $1 billion in 1999 and he had to go to the German bank (Deutsche Bank) for them to loan him money. That bank had connections to the Russian Mafia.

In 2001, Trump joined a group called The Bayrock Group which also had ties to the Russian Mafia and it was THEM that helped him get out of financial trouble:

The Bayrock Group, a real estate firm founded by Tevfik Arif, was instrumental in developing the Trump SoHo project, which involved significant funding from investors with ties to the former Soviet Union, aiding Donald Trump's projects in the mid-2000s. While specific, total debt-reduction figures are complex, Bayrock and its partner, Felix Sater, provided crucial investment and financing, including over $30 million used to finance U.S. investments.
The Bayrock Group also "taught" Trump the following lesson that taught him something that he had never used before:
The Bayrock Group facilitated a crucial shift in his business model—from a debt-heavy developer to a brand-licensing entity—that allowed him to make money by licensing his name to projects funded by others.

If it had not been for them (and the Russian Mafia helping him with loans, Trump would have gone bankrupt. His debt of close to $1 billion was a personal debt (not a business debt) and had he been unable to pay it, he would have gone totally bankrupt





they have no health insurance


Reagan said it "tariffs can do some good at the BEGINNING but longer term they bring a lot of negatives"

Trump cant go bankrupt because every business ins individually incorporated. So right off the bat youre in error. When your premise is false yore entire point is flawed. Shouldnt you know that

 

[Hafar1014]

I don't care about any of this. The bottom line is he is far wealthier now than he would have been had he simply invested his money in the S&P. That means he figured out a way to make more money than you could have.



Because they choose to use that extra money on something else. That's their choice.



And he was wrong. Did you agree with all of Reagan's policies?

Yes Reagan was an astounding success after the Carter disaster. A long term study by the Atlanta Federal Reserve found tariffs do not cause inflation in fact they lower many prices.
What policies dont you like. TEFRA revenue sharing, bring down the USSR freeing e Iran hostages, tax and deduction cuts

 

[Luckyone]

Trump cant go bankrupt because every business ins individually incorporated. So right off the bat youre in error. When your premise is false yore entire point is flawed. Shouldnt you know that

You truly lack the ability to do any research, don't you? You are simply a dumb and ignorant person trying to be heard! It is sad, who you are!

Yes, if Donald Trump had not been able to successfully negotiate a massive restructuring of his debt with lenders in the early 1990s, he almost certainly would have been forced into personal bankruptcy. While Trump has never declared personal bankruptcy, the financial crisis of 1990-1995 was severe, with reports indicating he was roughly $900 million to $1 billion in personal debt, with another $2.4 billion in business debt, for which he had personally guaranteed hundreds of millions.

 

[Hafar1014]

You truly lack the ability to do any research, don't you? You are simply a dumb and ignorant person trying to be heard! It is sad, who you are!

Yes, if Donald Trump had not been able to successfully negotiate a massive restructuring of his debt with lenders in the early 1990s, he almost certainly would have been forced into personal bankruptcy. While Trump has never declared personal bankruptcy, the financial crisis of 1990-1995 was severe, with reports indicating he was roughly $900 million to $1 billion in personal debt, with another $2.4 billion in business debt, for which he had personally guaranteed hundreds of millions.

How many hotels have you built? I see you have access to Trumps tax records. Youre so dumb you dont know what you dont know.