Two Israeli scientists who emigrated to U.S. win Nobel Prize in Chemistry

[Hossfly]

All the major high tech companies are setting up shop in Israel today, there is no drain. Israel's economy has also been surprisingly resilient and strong in the face of years of worldwide recession and depression.

Iran on the other hand is collapsing under the pressure of international sanctions, all because it wants to acquire nuclear weapons to aim at Israel and Saudi Arabia. That's where the drain occurs.

At the present time, companies are flooding into Israel and Texas, the worlds leading Industrial and Technology giants.

The article wasn't referring to the business climate but to higher education and scientific research- what produces Nobel Prize winners.

FYI, Coyote.

Five Nobel Laureates and 16 Academy of Sciences members work at Dallas-Fort Worth institutions.

Business Environment - Life Sciences

 

[Coyote]

At the present time, companies are flooding into Israel and Texas, the worlds leading Industrial and Technology giants.

The article wasn't referring to the business climate but to higher education and scientific research- what produces Nobel Prize winners.

FYI, Coyote.

Five Nobel Laureates and 16 Academy of Sciences members work at Dallas-Fort Worth institutions.

Business Environment - Life Sciences

??Not sure how that is relevant to what I posted?

 

[Hossfly]

At the present time, companies are flooding into Israel and Texas, the worlds leading Industrial and Technology giants.

The article wasn't referring to the business climate but to higher education and scientific research- what produces Nobel Prize winners.

FYI, Coyote.

Five Nobel Laureates and 16 Academy of Sciences members work at Dallas-Fort Worth institutions.

Business Environment - Life Sciences

And I might add Martin-Lockheed, just 2 miles from my house, is an aerospace industry where they invent and produce things that was only written about in science fiction books in years past.

 

[Roudy]

It's not the economy per se, that is being referred to but rather the higher education system in Israel - I've seen a number of articles about it that express concern at their inability to keep highly educated scientists in Israel. Why are they immigrating out in such large numbers and why are fewer PhD's remaining in the University system? The article points out it's related to pay and facilities which are better in the US.

Scientists get recruited by other nations who provide them better opportunities and research facilities. This is not exclusive to Israelis. Happens all the time. But to extrapolate that to a brain drain is an exaggeration, especially considering the fact that Israel is now the R and D center of the high tech world.



Those are mostly Iranians who fled the Islamic republic or descendants of. At this time there is no brain to drain in Iran. As one recent Iranian Muslim friend of mine quoted while visiting the US, "it is a crime to raise a child in today's Iran". So sad that such a great country with a magnificent history was destroyed by Islamic barbarians with a medieval mindset. Hopefully when this regime collapses the youth will rebuild Iran, and ban Islamism.

I'm not saying it's "exclusive" to Israel, but they are apparently quite concerned about retaining highly educated people - as you say, they are attracted to higher pay and better facilities elsewhere.

Googling Israel and brain drain brings up quite a few articles from decent sources. Here's one: Stop the brain drain! | JPost | Israel News

This week, two news stories emerged that indicate Israel is in danger and needs to rethink its national priorities.

...The risks are real: If we don’t stop our unparalleled brain drain and return higher education to its rightful place, we will abandon our place as the world’s “Start-up Nation,” undermine our ability to compete in a modern global economy, give up the standard of living we enjoy and imperil our ability to survive in a hostile neighborhood.

On Wednesday three Jewish professors – two of them Israeli-Americans – were jointly awarded the 2013 Nobel Prize in Chemistry.

While on one level this is reason to celebrate, a closer look at the winners’ biographies paints a picture that should give us pause.

According to media reports, the two Israelis – one of them an oleh (immigrant) and one of whom fought bravely in two wars – had left Israel to continue their work in the United States.

This brings us to the other story: a report by the Taub Center for Social Policy Studies that shows a flood of Israeli researchers and academics streaming to the US.

Despite massive growth in Israel’s population and economy in recent decades, our government’s focus and spending on higher education have declined to the point where 29 out of every 100 Israeli scholars emigrate to America.

It wasn’t always this way.

Earlier generations knew that education was the key to climbing out of poverty and turning themselves, and our country, into a success story.

Yet the Taub report tells us that “a much wealthier Israel with much greater budgetary capacity than in the 1950s and 1960s has steadily neglected its world-class academic institutions.”

Since the 1970s, the report tells us, “the country is much wealthier and has significantly greater ability to develop its university system, but Israel dramatically changed course. Over the next four decades, the country’s universities steadily receded from the nation’s national priorities.”

We must wake up and realize the major risks this trend poses to Israeli society. It is no exaggeration to say the brain drain is jeopardizing everything Israelis have worked so hard to achieve.

This is not a problem the universities can solve on their own. At the most fundamental level it requires a change of consciousness among Israeli society. If the cost of cottage cheese and apartments can trigger a summer of protest, then the loss of our best teachers, research scientists and innovators should stir some sort of response.

In practical terms what we need is specific action at the government level. While Israel’s research universities are incredibly productive, we urgently need the government to fund more positions for researchers and build advanced facilities where they can conduct groundbreaking Israeli research.

The Chinese example is instructive. Understanding that true superpower status is achieved through research and development, the government created the physical conditions that allowed researchers to do their best work in China. A program to develop the most sophisticated and best-equipped laboratories has helped stem the tide of departing researchers and helped China reap great economic rewards.

We also need a national program to open up positions for researchers, academics and innovators here at home. This means investing considerable cash and creativity in finding ways to employ our best people in academia, research and development. Israel has the highest concentration of talent in the world, but in the absence of adequate resources, our talent will turn toward other lands and other callings, and we will all be left poorer.

Although Israel is a strong, prosperous country, life I Israel is tough. As with Europeans, many would rather come to the US which still provides the best opportunities, environment and facilities for high achievement and success in most fields.

 

[Hossfly]

The article wasn't referring to the business climate but to higher education and scientific research- what produces Nobel Prize winners.

FYI, Coyote.

Five Nobel Laureates and 16 Academy of Sciences members work at Dallas-Fort Worth institutions.

Business Environment - Life Sciences

??Not sure how that is relevant to what I posted?

Scientific research, higher education, Nobel laureates? Hmmmmm.

 

[Hossfly]

FYI, Coyote.

Five Nobel Laureates and 16 Academy of Sciences members work at Dallas-Fort Worth institutions.

Business Environment - Life Sciences

??Not sure how that is relevant to what I posted?

Scientific research, higher education, Nobel laureates? Hmmmmm.

Or doesn't relate because most of these scientists are Jews? Some Israeli Jews too, by cracky. Just like the ones in the OP.

 

[Hoffstra]

Im glad they got their Nobel prizes AFTER moving to the USA.

Shows they made some good choices, and ARE intelligent individuals.

 

[Roudy]

Im glad they got their Nobel prizes AFTER moving to the USA.

Shows they made some good choices, and ARE intelligent individuals.

Yeah those universities did a good job recruiting these highly qualified and talented individuals.

 

[Hoffstra]

Yeah those universities did a good job recruiting these highly qualified and talented individuals.

yes, they did.

good thing they are contributing to a truly free and open society.

 

[Roudy]

The article wasn't referring to the business climate but to higher education and scientific research- what produces Nobel Prize winners.

FYI, Coyote.

Five Nobel Laureates and 16 Academy of Sciences members work at Dallas-Fort Worth institutions.

Business Environment - Life Sciences

??Not sure how that is relevant to what I posted?

I'd say Europe has a much bigger brain drain problem than Israel does. Was your internet search limited to Israel only?

ftp://ftp.cordis.europa.eu/pub/indicators/docs/pckfbd_snap6.pdf

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/22/world/europe/22france.html?_r=0

PARIS — Academics are increasingly leaving France for the United States, which carries the risk of a “brain drain” in France, according to a report this month by an independent study group.

The group, the Institut Montaigne, found that academics constitute a much larger percentage of French émigrés to the United States today than 30 years ago. It found that between 1971 and 1980, academics represented just 8 percent of the departing population; between 1996 and 2006, they represented 27 percent.

“The acceleration of French scientific emigration to the United States is recent and worrisome,” said the report, called “Gone for Good? The Expatriates of French Higher Education in the United States.”

 

[Roudy]

Yeah those universities did a good job recruiting these highly qualified and talented individuals.

yes, they did.

good thing they are contributing to a truly free and open society.

They felt comfortable and welcome in the US where there are many similarities between the two countries.

 

[Coyote]

FYI, Coyote.

Five Nobel Laureates and 16 Academy of Sciences members work at Dallas-Fort Worth institutions.

Business Environment - Life Sciences

??Not sure how that is relevant to what I posted?

I'd say Europe has a much bigger brain drain problem than Israel does. Was your internet search limited to Israel only?

This topic is about two Israeli born Nobel Laureates - thought that was pretty obvious

Why so defensive?

Israeli's themselves think it's an issue and don't like it. While you are vigorously denying it or reading it as a criticism of Israel - Israeli's want to see something done in their academic culture to change things and keep these high level people. Good for them.

ftp://ftp.cordis.europa.eu/pub/indicators/docs/pckfbd_snap6.pdf

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/22/world/europe/22france.html?_r=0

PARIS — Academics are increasingly leaving France for the United States, which carries the risk of a “brain drain” in France, according to a report this month by an independent study group.

The group, the Institut Montaigne, found that academics constitute a much larger percentage of French émigrés to the United States today than 30 years ago. It found that between 1971 and 1980, academics represented just 8 percent of the departing population; between 1996 and 2006, they represented 27 percent.

“The acceleration of French scientific emigration to the United States is recent and worrisome,” said the report, called “Gone for Good? The Expatriates of French Higher Education in the United States.”

So France has a "brain drain" too, or did in 2010. What this says is the US has a good climate for scientific research that stimulates innovation, countries like France, with their semi-socialist systems and high taxes, not so much.

 

[Coyote]

??Not sure how that is relevant to what I posted?

Scientific research, higher education, Nobel laureates? Hmmmmm.

Or doesn't relate because most of these scientists are Jews? Some Israeli Jews too, by cracky. Just like the ones in the OP.

?Again, I'm not getting your point. Either of you. Or how it relates to what I was saying.

Jews, as a group are well represented amongst Nobel Laureates, but that isn't surprising in an ethnic group that has traditionally placed a high value on educational achievements.

But, again, how does this relate to the trouble Israel is having in retaining highly qualified academics within it's own system?

 

[SherriMunnerlyn]

Sick and tired of being Israeli. Again. Still. | Emily L. Hauser - In My Head

I’m sick of being Israeli.I am sick of watching my home lurch from bad to worse — from the unavoidable xenophobia of any hounded and nationalistic people, to creeping-vine-xenophobia, the kind that the holds the whole house up at a certain point, having all but replaced whatever was once between the bricks. Israel had one good, shining year when it seemed it might be stepping forward rather than back, but 1993 came and went and here we are, worse off than we were before the Oslo Accords, because the Palestinian economy is more thoroughly wrecked, the Palestinian people more thoroughly occupied, Palestinian land more thoroughly gobbled up, and thousands of people (the vast majority of them Palestinian) more thoroughly dead.And to those who would say “Is America really any different?” (as some friends have) I would say: Yes. In America, we go from bad to better — slowly, painfully, splutteringly, we move forward. Israel? Not so much. Have you seen the recent spate of anti-democratic laws passed in The Middle East’s Only Democracy ™? Or read up on why all those protesters were out on the streets for all those weeks? Not to mention the continual erosion, by design, of any and all hope for a genuine, mutally acceptable peace with the Palestinians? Bad to worse,
bad to worser, bad to worsest (until the next worsest comes along).

 

[Connery]

Sick and tired of being Israeli. Again. Still. | Emily L. Hauser - In My Head

I’m sick of being Israeli.I am sick of watching my home lurch from bad to worse — from the unavoidable xenophobia of any hounded and nationalistic people, to creeping-vine-xenophobia, the kind that the holds the whole house up at a certain point, having all but replaced whatever was once between the bricks. Israel had one good, shining year when it seemed it might be stepping forward rather than back, but 1993 came and went and here we are, worse off than we were before the Oslo Accords, because the Palestinian economy is more thoroughly wrecked, the Palestinian people more thoroughly occupied, Palestinian land more thoroughly gobbled up, and thousands of people (the vast majority of them Palestinian) more thoroughly dead.And to those who would say “Is America really any different?” (as some friends have) I would say: Yes. In America, we go from bad to better — slowly, painfully, splutteringly, we move forward. Israel? Not so much. Have you seen the recent spate of anti-democratic laws passed in The Middle East’s Only Democracy ™? Or read up on why all those protesters were out on the streets for all those weeks? Not to mention the continual erosion, by design, of any and all hope for a genuine, mutally acceptable peace with the Palestinians? Bad to worse,
bad to worser, bad to worsest (until the next worsest comes along).

^^^^

This is pure and utter bullshit!

How about addressing the topic and stop with the cheap shots already sherri. You have done your best to obfuscate, inveigle and denigrate the facts and winners of the prize. All you can come up with is some bloggy nonsense instead of celebrating the fact that their breakthrough will even help those you champion.

 

[Lipush]

The Occpation and Apartheid and all the human rights abuses repels some Israelis .

That is obviously why many are leaving.

And that seems to be an issue noone wants to discuss here.

Read Emily Hausers blog, her family does not live in Israel today because of Israels Occupation and its practices.

There must be millions of more stories just like hers.

You are correct no one wants to discuss that here, the OP is about 3 Nobel winners in chemistry...

But they left.

Why did they bail out of the sinking ship called Israel?

A part of their story is they left Israel.

Why they left Israel is their own business. You say it's because of the 'occupation' or whatever? you do not know the reason for why they left.

For all we know, they want to gain new apportunities out there. There is nothing wrong with that. But being born and rasied and educated in Israel, this is indeed pride for our people that more of us are added to the list of Nobel Prize winners.

 

[Lipush]

yes, they did.

good thing they are contributing to a truly free and open society.

They felt comfortable and welcome in the US where there are many similarities between the two countries.

more likely they were trying to escape an intolerant and hateful society, and live free in a much more tolerant and honest society.

More likely is that you are jumping to conclusions based on nothing

 

[Connery]

The Occpation and Apartheid and all the human rights abuses repels some Israelis .

That is obviously why many are leaving.

And that seems to be an issue noone wants to discuss here.

Read Emily Hausers blog, her family does not live in Israel today because of Israels Occupation and its practices.

There must be millions of more stories just like hers.

You are correct no one wants to discuss that here, the OP is about 3 Nobel winners in chemistry...

But they left.

Why did they bail out of the sinking ship called Israel?

A part of their story is they left Israel.

^^^
Do you have any verifiable sources to establish that this is what occurred or are you spinning this?

 

[Lipush]

Just for general knowlege. 90% of those who leave Israel in the last years are mostly young and students. In Europe they gain free academic education and many benefits which are still prosessing in Israel. Most, and I mean, almost everyone leaving Israel, do it out of economic reasons. Not political ones.

But don't let that tiny fact interrupt your reaching and babbling nonsense.

 

[Hossfly]

Reuters...

"Karplus, a U.S. and Austrian citizen, carries out research at the University of Strasbourg and Harvard University. Levitt, a U.S. and British citizen, is at the Stanford University School of Medicine. Warshel, a U.S. and Israeli citizen, is a professor at the University of Southern California, Los Angeles."

Weird. most of the articles I've checked say Levitt is a US/UK citizen. Israeli articles say US/UK/Israel.

Can one have legal triple citizenship?

Or quadruple, Levitt was born in Pretoria, South Africa

While Prof. Warshel was actually born in Palestine

Yousef Mohammed, you don't have to tell us why you left Iran, got a green card (as you have claimed) to work in the U.S. and then settled in Spain. Just try to help this site out since you enjoy looking into matters like this and they desperately need your assistance.

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