Two Israeli scientists who emigrated to U.S. win Nobel Prize in Chemistry

You know, this Nobel award brings up a real concern in Israel - it's "Brain Drain" and we, in the US are the benificiaries. The reasons aren't political, as far as I can tell from the article, but economical. Nobel Prizes for Israeli ex-pat scientists highlight rampant brain drain in Jewish state - The Washington Post

Iran has a similar problem. I point this out because I am constantly seeing parallels between Iran and Israel.

I'm not familiar with Iran's brain drain but I don't think the reason's are the same.

With Israel, according to the articles I read - it's very much an economic issue and a "state of the art" issue in terms of facilities. I would think that in Iran, there might be more factors such as academic freedom.
All the major high tech companies are setting up shop in Israel today, there is no drain. Israel's economy has also been surprisingly resilient and strong in the face of years of worldwide recession and depression.

Iran on the other hand is collapsing under the pressure of international sanctions, all because it wants to acquire nuclear weapons to aim at Israel and Saudi Arabia. That's where the drain occurs.
 
They live in America, while they were born, rasied, and were educated and studied all they know in Israel.

Israel was the homeland of their education and success.

Therefor, they're Israelis.

Anyone uncomfortable with that fact can put a sock in it.

Just more named added to the Israeli success.

In your face, anti-Israelis
 
Who cares? The Nobel Prize lost all credibility when it was award to Obama.
Well the peace prize yes, I have to agree. Especially when they awarded it to that lowlife scumbag terrorist Arafat. That was definitely the lowest point of the peace prize.

I don't know...it hit a low point when it went to former terrorist Irgun commander Menachem Begin ;)

I think this peace prize nobel doesn't worth anything. Even Rabin didn't deserve it.
 
They just awarded the nobel peace price to the organization destroying chemical weapons in Syria.

It seems like a political statement of the day more than anything else.
 
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They just awarded the nobel peace price to the organization destroying chemical weapons in Syria.

It seems like a political statement of the day more than anything else.

Actually yours is a political statement.

The work done by the organization regarding chemical weapons prevents the death on all including civilians and children.
 
The Pakistani Taliban also celebrates the decision of the committee. Animals nothing but animals.

"The decision not to reward Pakistani teen activist Malala Yousafzai with the Nobel Peace Prize was met with disappointment and derision across the world, but at least one group was pleased: The one that tried to kill her.

The Pakistani Taliban called the decision "very good news" and praised the committee for "not selecting this immature girl for this famous award," according to a statement by spokesman Shahidullah Shahid."

'It's very good news' Malala didn't win the Nobel Peace Prize: Pakistani Taliban - World News

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Guess which is the only 1st world country that refuses to sign the Chemical Weapons Treaty?

Drum roll please................................................... Israel

Big deal....the US and the rest of the world would jump on their asses the minute they even hinted at using those weapons, should they possess them.
 
Iran has a similar problem. I point this out because I am constantly seeing parallels between Iran and Israel.

I'm not familiar with Iran's brain drain but I don't think the reason's are the same.

With Israel, according to the articles I read - it's very much an economic issue and a "state of the art" issue in terms of facilities. I would think that in Iran, there might be more factors such as academic freedom.


The brain drain from Iran ----is not news-------The jews started leaving in the 60s and
the muslims in the 70s For the jews it was something like Germany 1934---they
were SENDING their kids-----for the muslims in the 70s it was economic----then
came 1979------it is oppression for everyone (i got it from the migrants---but
you can claim I am lying------as per your elegant style)

something that might distress you------Lots (by no means all) of Israelis who come
to the USA------never give up the ambition----"I AM GOING BACK" <<< not the only
migrants from whom I have heard the incessant "back home" dream-----I heard
it from INDIANS lots too. ----of the hindu variety I cannot say I know any hindus
who WENT BACK------but I do know lots of cases of Israeli migrants who "went back"--
or whose children "went back" No question that the general flow is west

I have never heard a "I AM GOING BACK" ---from a former Iranian----except one---
a young kid (that means mid 20s now that I am "middle aged") who told me
"I AM GOING BACK TO CHECK ON THE VILLAGE MY FATHER OWNS" ----(yikes---his
father owned a village) I noticed the large crucifix on his neck and said
"will you be wearing that'?? He answered. "I want to keep BOTH our
land AND MY HEAD" "I am still OFFICIALLY a muslim over there"
Yes that is correct. I met many Israelis who were very successful here, but went back eventually.
 
The Pakistani Taliban also celebrates the decision of the committee. Animals nothing but animals.

"The decision not to reward Pakistani teen activist Malala Yousafzai with the Nobel Peace Prize was met with disappointment and derision across the world, but at least one group was pleased: The one that tried to kill her.

The Pakistani Taliban called the decision "very good news" and praised the committee for "not selecting this immature girl for this famous award," according to a statement by spokesman Shahidullah Shahid."

'It's very good news' Malala didn't win the Nobel Peace Prize: Pakistani Taliban - World News

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I saw her interview the other day with the CNN's Amanpour, she is an amazing woman.

All this poor girl wanted was an education for women. I guess that was too much to ask from Islamic animals, so they shot her in the head. They are truly a cancer upon humanity.
 
The Pakistani Taliban also celebrates the decision of the committee. Animals nothing but animals.

"The decision not to reward Pakistani teen activist Malala Yousafzai with the Nobel Peace Prize was met with disappointment and derision across the world, but at least one group was pleased: The one that tried to kill her.

The Pakistani Taliban called the decision "very good news" and praised the committee for "not selecting this immature girl for this famous award," according to a statement by spokesman Shahidullah Shahid."

'It's very good news' Malala didn't win the Nobel Peace Prize: Pakistani Taliban - World News

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The Taliban are nothing but thugs. I wish she had gotten it, I think she deserved it.

She made an impact though - her shooting angered many Muslims in Pakistan and brought the issue of education of girls to the forfront of the public conscious as well as the issue of Taliban violence, intimmidation and thuggery. What's nice is seeing father's there who push for the education of their daughters.

But, kind of like the issue of choosing the chemical weapons team - it has also angered some who feel that the choices ignore the sufferings of others in the region.

I thought this article covered it well - but, sadly, Malala is not the only child who has been shot for trying to get an education: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/12/w...oine-or-western-stooge.html?pagewanted=2&_r=0
 
Iran has a similar problem. I point this out because I am constantly seeing parallels between Iran and Israel.

I'm not familiar with Iran's brain drain but I don't think the reason's are the same.

With Israel, according to the articles I read - it's very much an economic issue and a "state of the art" issue in terms of facilities. I would think that in Iran, there might be more factors such as academic freedom.
All the major high tech companies are setting up shop in Israel today, there is no drain. Israel's economy has also been surprisingly resilient and strong in the face of years of worldwide recession and depression.

Iran on the other hand is collapsing under the pressure of international sanctions, all because it wants to acquire nuclear weapons to aim at Israel and Saudi Arabia. That's where the drain occurs.
At the present time, companies are flooding into Israel and Texas, the worlds leading Industrial and Technology giants.
 
I'm not familiar with Iran's brain drain but I don't think the reason's are the same.

With Israel, according to the articles I read - it's very much an economic issue and a "state of the art" issue in terms of facilities. I would think that in Iran, there might be more factors such as academic freedom.
All the major high tech companies are setting up shop in Israel today, there is no drain. Israel's economy has also been surprisingly resilient and strong in the face of years of worldwide recession and depression.

Iran on the other hand is collapsing under the pressure of international sanctions, all because it wants to acquire nuclear weapons to aim at Israel and Saudi Arabia. That's where the drain occurs.
At the present time, companies are flooding into Israel and Texas, the worlds leading Industrial and Technology giants.
Some brain drain.
 
Iran has a similar problem. I point this out because I am constantly seeing parallels between Iran and Israel.

I'm not familiar with Iran's brain drain but I don't think the reason's are the same.

With Israel, according to the articles I read - it's very much an economic issue and a "state of the art" issue in terms of facilities. I would think that in Iran, there might be more factors such as academic freedom.
All the major high tech companies are setting up shop in Israel today, there is no drain. Israel's economy has also been surprisingly resilient and strong in the face of years of worldwide recession and depression.

It's not the economy per se, that is being referred to but rather the higher education system in Israel - I've seen a number of articles about it that express concern at their inability to keep highly educated scientists in Israel. Why are they immigrating out in such large numbers and why are fewer PhD's remaining in the University system? The article points out it's related to pay and facilities which are better in the US.

Iran on the other hand is collapsing under the pressure of international sanctions, all because it wants to acquire nuclear weapons to aim at Israel and Saudi Arabia. That's where the drain occurs.

I don't know anything about "brain drain" or the level of scientific facilities in Iran, I don't know much about their educational system except anecdotally - we get a lot of MS and PhD applicants from the ME, particularly Iran, in our Geology program.
 
I'm not familiar with Iran's brain drain but I don't think the reason's are the same.

With Israel, according to the articles I read - it's very much an economic issue and a "state of the art" issue in terms of facilities. I would think that in Iran, there might be more factors such as academic freedom.
All the major high tech companies are setting up shop in Israel today, there is no drain. Israel's economy has also been surprisingly resilient and strong in the face of years of worldwide recession and depression.

Iran on the other hand is collapsing under the pressure of international sanctions, all because it wants to acquire nuclear weapons to aim at Israel and Saudi Arabia. That's where the drain occurs.
At the present time, companies are flooding into Israel and Texas, the worlds leading Industrial and Technology giants.

The article wasn't referring to the business climate but to higher education and scientific research- what produces Nobel Prize winners.
 
It's not the economy per se, that is being referred to but rather the higher education system in Israel - I've seen a number of articles about it that express concern at their inability to keep highly educated scientists in Israel. Why are they immigrating out in such large numbers and why are fewer PhD's remaining in the University system? The article points out it's related to pay and facilities which are better in the US.

Scientists get recruited by other nations who provide them better opportunities and research facilities. This is not exclusive to Israelis. Happens all the time. But to extrapolate that to a brain drain is an exaggeration, especially considering the fact that Israel is now the R and D center of the high tech world.

.I don't know anything about "brain drain" or the level of scientific facilities in Iran, I don't know much about their educational system except anecdotally - we get a lot of MS and PhD applicants from the ME, particularly Iran, in our Geology program.

Those are mostly Iranians who fled the Islamic republic or descendants of. At this time there is no brain to drain in Iran. As one recent Iranian Muslim friend of mine quoted while visiting the US, "it is a crime to raise a child in today's Iran". So sad that such a great country with a magnificent history was destroyed by Islamic barbarians with a medieval mindset. Hopefully when this regime collapses the youth will rebuild Iran, and ban Islamism.
 
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Reuters...

"Karplus, a U.S. and Austrian citizen, carries out research at the University of Strasbourg and Harvard University. Levitt, a U.S. and British citizen, is at the Stanford University School of Medicine. Warshel, a U.S. and Israeli citizen, is a professor at the University of Southern California, Los Angeles."

Weird. most of the articles I've checked say Levitt is a US/UK citizen. Israeli articles say US/UK/Israel.

Can one have legal triple citizenship?
 
It's not the economy per se, that is being referred to but rather the higher education system in Israel - I've seen a number of articles about it that express concern at their inability to keep highly educated scientists in Israel. Why are they immigrating out in such large numbers and why are fewer PhD's remaining in the University system? The article points out it's related to pay and facilities which are better in the US.

Scientists get recruited by other nations who provide them better opportunities and research facilities. This is not exclusive to Israelis. Happens all the time. But to extrapolate that to a brain drain is an exaggeration, especially considering the fact that Israel is now the R and D center of the high tech world.

.I don't know anything about "brain drain" or the level of scientific facilities in Iran, I don't know much about their educational system except anecdotally - we get a lot of MS and PhD applicants from the ME, particularly Iran, in our Geology program.

Those are mostly Iranians who fled the Islamic republic or descendants of. At this time there is no brain to drain in Iran. As one recent Iranian Muslim friend of mine quoted while visiting the US, "it is a crime to raise a child in today's Iran". So sad that such a great country with a magnificent history was destroyed by Islamic barbarians with a medieval mindset. Hopefully when this regime collapses the youth will rebuild Iran, and ban Islamism.

I'm not saying it's "exclusive" to Israel, but they are apparently quite concerned about retaining highly educated people - as you say, they are attracted to higher pay and better facilities elsewhere.

Googling Israel and brain drain brings up quite a few articles from decent sources. Here's one: Stop the brain drain! | JPost | Israel News

This week, two news stories emerged that indicate Israel is in danger and needs to rethink its national priorities.

...The risks are real: If we don’t stop our unparalleled brain drain and return higher education to its rightful place, we will abandon our place as the world’s “Start-up Nation,” undermine our ability to compete in a modern global economy, give up the standard of living we enjoy and imperil our ability to survive in a hostile neighborhood.

On Wednesday three Jewish professors – two of them Israeli-Americans – were jointly awarded the 2013 Nobel Prize in Chemistry.

While on one level this is reason to celebrate, a closer look at the winners’ biographies paints a picture that should give us pause.

According to media reports, the two Israelis – one of them an oleh (immigrant) and one of whom fought bravely in two wars – had left Israel to continue their work in the United States.

This brings us to the other story: a report by the Taub Center for Social Policy Studies that shows a flood of Israeli researchers and academics streaming to the US.

Despite massive growth in Israel’s population and economy in recent decades, our government’s focus and spending on higher education have declined to the point where 29 out of every 100 Israeli scholars emigrate to America.

It wasn’t always this way.

Earlier generations knew that education was the key to climbing out of poverty and turning themselves, and our country, into a success story.

Yet the Taub report tells us that “a much wealthier Israel with much greater budgetary capacity than in the 1950s and 1960s has steadily neglected its world-class academic institutions.”

Since the 1970s, the report tells us, “the country is much wealthier and has significantly greater ability to develop its university system, but Israel dramatically changed course. Over the next four decades, the country’s universities steadily receded from the nation’s national priorities

We must wake up and realize the major risks this trend poses to Israeli society. It is no exaggeration to say the brain drain is jeopardizing everything Israelis have worked so hard to achieve.

This is not a problem the universities can solve on their own. At the most fundamental level it requires a change of consciousness among Israeli society. If the cost of cottage cheese and apartments can trigger a summer of protest, then the loss of our best teachers, research scientists and innovators should stir some sort of response.

In practical terms what we need is specific action at the government level. While Israel’s research universities are incredibly productive, we urgently need the government to fund more positions for researchers and build advanced facilities where they can conduct groundbreaking Israeli research.

The Chinese example is instructive. Understanding that true superpower status is achieved through research and development, the government created the physical conditions that allowed researchers to do their best work in China. A program to develop the most sophisticated and best-equipped laboratories has helped stem the tide of departing researchers and helped China reap great economic rewards.

We also need a national program to open up positions for researchers, academics and innovators here at home. This means investing considerable cash and creativity in finding ways to employ our best people in academia, research and development. Israel has the highest concentration of talent in the world, but in the absence of adequate resources, our talent will turn toward other lands and other callings, and we will all be left poorer.
 
Reuters...

"Karplus, a U.S. and Austrian citizen, carries out research at the University of Strasbourg and Harvard University. Levitt, a U.S. and British citizen, is at the Stanford University School of Medicine. Warshel, a U.S. and Israeli citizen, is a professor at the University of Southern California, Los Angeles."

Weird. most of the articles I've checked say Levitt is a US/UK citizen. Israeli articles say US/UK/Israel.

Can one have legal triple citizenship?

Or quadruple, Levitt was born in Pretoria, South Africa

While Prof. Warshel was actually born in Palestine
 
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Reuters...

"Karplus, a U.S. and Austrian citizen, carries out research at the University of Strasbourg and Harvard University. Levitt, a U.S. and British citizen, is at the Stanford University School of Medicine. Warshel, a U.S. and Israeli citizen, is a professor at the University of Southern California, Los Angeles."

Weird. most of the articles I've checked say Levitt is a US/UK citizen. Israeli articles say US/UK/Israel.

Can one have legal triple citizenship?

Or quadruple, Levitt was born in Pretoria, South Africa

He doesn't hold SA citizenship.
 

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