Two Gifts To A Nation In Denial

[Silhouette]

Gift #1: Hydrogen powered engines

Gift #2: Universal Healthcare.

Problems solved by Gift #1: pollution, energy shortage, fracking and coal mining pollution of last fresh water resources in the US, languishing economy from foreign energy and domestically-damaging energy policies. Wild and increasingly deadly/unpredictable severe weather & damage to infrastructure thereby.

Problems solved by Gift #2: Business bankruptcy. Personal bankruptcy. Stagnant economy. Jobless rate. Foreign debt. 100s of millions of vulnerable/stressed/sick people/"herd members" being perfect vectors for a new plague.

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#1 Discussion.

For a very long time now, decades if not longer, we have known how to use electricity to separate the hydrogen atoms from Oxygen in the simple water molecule. It's called electrolysis.

We have a device sold in kits today that takes water from a reservoir, like a gas tank, and uses a secondary alternator belt running off an engine that creates a current that separates hydrogen from oxygen. This liberates the hydrogen to be burned immediately in the combustion cycle of any engine. When it burns, it recombines with the oxygen to create water again in the form of steam vapor. This then can be recycled to produce more forward thrust.

There are no hydrogen storage tanks that can explode. The system is safe and on-demand. Water that has some particulates dissolved in it actually improves the efficiency of the system. Ergo, filtered seawater would run this country. And since sea levels have risen and we can soon kiss large sections of Florida goodbye as a result, using sea water is not going to be a foreseeable problem. None of our fracking-polluted fresh water reserves need be tapped for this boon to our energy problems.

The reason we haven't used this technology is because the fuel is free, the mechanism extraordinarily simple to construct and therefore, the oil companies would be slowly put out of business. That's it. That's the only reason we aren't using it. And by the way, hydrogen engines produce more power than gasoline ones.

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#2 Discussion

Universal Healthcare [UHC] is the magic bullet to our economic woes. If it was passed today in Congress or enacted by an emergency mandate from Executive order through the CDC, UHC would improve the economy by immediate and ongoing stimulus. Maintaining private healthcare insurance for the average family costs the equivalent of a second mortgage when you figure in monthly premiums and the high deductables. Also, employers bleeding out that mandate to provide for employees is crippling both their ability to compete and hire more employees. Many people with good and innovative ideas that would spur the economy take one look at starting a business and begin projectile vomiting at the very thought of just getting started.

It's not that people don't want to work. It's that there aren't enough jobs. So back to imagining the immediate implication of enacting UHC. Employers would feel immediate relief in not having to provide health insurance. With those monies freed up, employers could hire more people. The people who secure their own insurance or share-cost with employers would immediately see a second-mortgage-worth of cash freed up to use to consume. A thing that most people in the working classes do with free cash. Increased consumption means more jobs still. More jobs still means an increase in qualified home buyers. An increase in qualified home buyers means more sound mortgages, more home sales and an increase in the paper value of land that now has banks worried..

So this "trickle up" theory tied to UHC is not something we will see in 10 years or 30 years time. The effects will be almost instantaneous.

As with #1 there is only one entity objecting to UHC with a 'legitimate gripe'. That's the private healthcare moguls. Over 70% of the general population not only think that UHC is a good idea, they think it's a GREAT idea. UHC is not Obamacare. Obamacare is a botched compromise with a destruction-trigger mechanism installed under Obama's radar at it's inception by the insurance companies who "compromised" with him.

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As a final note, I see there is movement to abolish the cable weather channel. The solution to radical climate change apparently is to bury our heads in the sand.

Just as vigorous attempts to keep the present private healthcare insurance system in place are equally foolhardy.

Our nation is headed to self-destruct if these two gifts are not implimented and quickly.

 

[Mr. H.]

"Fracking pollution"? I stopped reading there.

 

[Silhouette]

"Fracking pollution"? I stopped reading there.

Yeah, it's a real crackup when stuff like benzene, diesel fuel and other noxious chemicals leak through aging well casings into our last vestiges of underground fresh water aquifers that we rely on for drinking and agriculture.

Equally hiarious is tap water that catches fire and dead zones in the Gulf from all the pollution of the runoff that enters the Mississippi.

Just nothing but fun and giggles...

 

[Mr. H.]

"Fracking pollution"? I stopped reading there.

Yeah, it's a real crackup when stuff like benzene, diesel fuel and other noxious chemicals leak through aging well casings into our last vestiges of underground fresh water aquifers that we rely on for drinking and agriculture.

Equally hiarious is tap water that catches fire and dead zones in the Gulf from all the pollution of the runoff that enters the Mississippi.

Just nothing but fun and giggles...

Deluded tool.

 

[chikenwing]

Gift #1: Hydrogen powered engines

Gift #2: Universal Healthcare.

Problems solved by Gift #1: pollution, energy shortage, fracking and coal mining pollution of last fresh water resources in the US, languishing economy from foreign energy and domestically-damaging energy policies. Wild and increasingly deadly/unpredictable severe weather & damage to infrastructure thereby.

Problems solved by Gift #2: Business bankruptcy. Personal bankruptcy. Stagnant economy. Jobless rate. Foreign debt. 100s of millions of vulnerable/stressed/sick people/"herd members" being perfect vectors for a new plague.

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#1 Discussion.

For a very long time now, decades if not longer, we have known how to use electricity to separate the hydrogen atoms from Oxygen in the simple water molecule. It's called electrolysis.

We have a device sold in kits today that takes water from a reservoir, like a gas tank, and uses a secondary alternator belt running off an engine that creates a current that separates hydrogen from oxygen. This liberates the hydrogen to be burned immediately in the combustion cycle of any engine. When it burns, it recombines with the oxygen to create water again in the form of steam vapor. This then can be recycled to produce more forward thrust.

There are no hydrogen storage tanks that can explode. The system is safe and on-demand. Water that has some particulates dissolved in it actually improves the efficiency of the system. Ergo, filtered seawater would run this country. And since sea levels have risen and we can soon kiss large sections of Florida goodbye as a result, using sea water is not going to be a foreseeable problem. None of our fracking-polluted fresh water reserves need be tapped for this boon to our energy problems.

The reason we haven't used this technology is because the fuel is free, the mechanism extraordinarily simple to construct and therefore, the oil companies would be slowly put out of business. That's it. That's the only reason we aren't using it. And by the way, hydrogen engines produce more power than gasoline ones.

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#2 Discussion

Universal Healthcare [UHC] is the magic bullet to our economic woes. If it was passed today in Congress or enacted by an emergency mandate from Executive order through the CDC, UHC would improve the economy by immediate and ongoing stimulus. Maintaining private healthcare insurance for the average family costs the equivalent of a second mortgage when you figure in monthly premiums and the high deductables. Also, employers bleeding out that mandate to provide for employees is crippling both their ability to compete and hire more employees. Many people with good and innovative ideas that would spur the economy take one look at starting a business and begin projectile vomiting at the very thought of just getting started.

It's not that people don't want to work. It's that there aren't enough jobs. So back to imagining the immediate implication of enacting UHC. Employers would feel immediate relief in not having to provide health insurance. With those monies freed up, employers could hire more people. The people who secure their own insurance or share-cost with employers would immediately see a second-mortgage-worth of cash freed up to use to consume. A thing that most people in the working classes do with free cash. Increased consumption means more jobs still. More jobs still means an increase in qualified home buyers. An increase in qualified home buyers means more sound mortgages, more home sales and an increase in the paper value of land that now has banks worried..

So this "trickle up" theory tied to UHC is not something we will see in 10 years or 30 years time. The effects will be almost instantaneous.

As with #1 there is only one entity objecting to UHC with a 'legitimate gripe'. That's the private healthcare moguls. Over 70% of the general population not only think that UHC is a good idea, they think it's a GREAT idea. UHC is not Obamacare. Obamacare is a botched compromise with a destruction-trigger mechanism installed under Obama's radar at it's inception by the insurance companies who "compromised" with him.

****************

As a final note, I see there is movement to abolish the cable weather channel. The solution to radical climate change apparently is to bury our heads in the sand.

Just as vigorous attempts to keep the present private healthcare insurance system in place are equally foolhardy.

Our nation is headed to self-destruct if these two gifts are not implimented and quickly.

Crap where did that magic wand get to?

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Gift #1: Hydrogen powered engines

Gift #2: Universal Healthcare.

Problems solved by Gift #1: pollution, energy shortage, fracking and coal mining pollution of last fresh water resources in the US, languishing economy from foreign energy and domestically-damaging energy policies. Wild and increasingly deadly/unpredictable severe weather & damage to infrastructure thereby.

Problems solved by Gift #2: Business bankruptcy. Personal bankruptcy. Stagnant economy. Jobless rate. Foreign debt. 100s of millions of vulnerable/stressed/sick people/"herd members" being perfect vectors for a new plague.

*******************
#1 Discussion.

For a very long time now, decades if not longer, we have known how to use electricity to separate the hydrogen atoms from Oxygen in the simple water molecule. It's called electrolysis.

We have a device sold in kits today that takes water from a reservoir, like a gas tank, and uses a secondary alternator belt running off an engine that creates a current that separates hydrogen from oxygen. This liberates the hydrogen to be burned immediately in the combustion cycle of any engine. When it burns, it recombines with the oxygen to create water again in the form of steam vapor. This then can be recycled to produce more forward thrust.

There are no hydrogen storage tanks that can explode. The system is safe and on-demand. Water that has some particulates dissolved in it actually improves the efficiency of the system. Ergo, filtered seawater would run this country. And since sea levels have risen and we can soon kiss large sections of Florida goodbye as a result, using sea water is not going to be a foreseeable problem. None of our fracking-polluted fresh water reserves need be tapped for this boon to our energy problems.

The reason we haven't used this technology is because the fuel is free, the mechanism extraordinarily simple to construct and therefore, the oil companies would be slowly put out of business. That's it. That's the only reason we aren't using it. And by the way, hydrogen engines produce more power than gasoline ones.

************************

#2 Discussion

Universal Healthcare [UHC] is the magic bullet to our economic woes. If it was passed today in Congress or enacted by an emergency mandate from Executive order through the CDC, UHC would improve the economy by immediate and ongoing stimulus. Maintaining private healthcare insurance for the average family costs the equivalent of a second mortgage when you figure in monthly premiums and the high deductables. Also, employers bleeding out that mandate to provide for employees is crippling both their ability to compete and hire more employees. Many people with good and innovative ideas that would spur the economy take one look at starting a business and begin projectile vomiting at the very thought of just getting started.

It's not that people don't want to work. It's that there aren't enough jobs. So back to imagining the immediate implication of enacting UHC. Employers would feel immediate relief in not having to provide health insurance. With those monies freed up, employers could hire more people. The people who secure their own insurance or share-cost with employers would immediately see a second-mortgage-worth of cash freed up to use to consume. A thing that most people in the working classes do with free cash. Increased consumption means more jobs still. More jobs still means an increase in qualified home buyers. An increase in qualified home buyers means more sound mortgages, more home sales and an increase in the paper value of land that now has banks worried..

So this "trickle up" theory tied to UHC is not something we will see in 10 years or 30 years time. The effects will be almost instantaneous.

As with #1 there is only one entity objecting to UHC with a 'legitimate gripe'. That's the private healthcare moguls. Over 70% of the general population not only think that UHC is a good idea, they think it's a GREAT idea. UHC is not Obamacare. Obamacare is a botched compromise with a destruction-trigger mechanism installed under Obama's radar at it's inception by the insurance companies who "compromised" with him.

****************

As a final note, I see there is movement to abolish the cable weather channel. The solution to radical climate change apparently is to bury our heads in the sand.

Just as vigorous attempts to keep the present private healthcare insurance system in place are equally foolhardy.

Our nation is headed to self-destruct if these two gifts are not implimented and quickly.

Hydrogen is more volatile, harder to manufacture and ship, and more expensive, than gasoline.

Universal health care only happens in movies. In reality, different people need different levels of treatment, and some thing that work great for almost everyone will kill others. Treating everyone like they are cogs of a machine means that no one gets the health care they need.

I think that covered everything.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

"Fracking pollution"? I stopped reading there.

Yeah, it's a real crackup when stuff like benzene, diesel fuel and other noxious chemicals leak through aging well casings into our last vestiges of underground fresh water aquifers that we rely on for drinking and agriculture.

Equally hiarious is tap water that catches fire and dead zones in the Gulf from all the pollution of the runoff that enters the Mississippi.

Just nothing but fun and giggles...

To date, no well used for fracking has failed due to cracking that resulted from age. People were lighting their tap water long before anyone ever thought about fracking. The "dead zone" from the Mississippi existed before the first Indian planted anything.

 

[Mr. H.]

How Anti-Fracking Activists Deny Science: Water Contamination

 

[Silhouette]

To date, no well used for fracking has failed due to cracking that resulted from age. People were lighting their tap water long before anyone ever thought about fracking. The "dead zone" from the Mississippi existed before the first Indian planted anything.

And when those well casings do? Goodbye Ogallala Aquifer... Or any other vestige of pure water near you. You can't cleanup the mess left after fracking, ever. It's too deep. When you puncture those basin layers holding up the aquifers, you make a highway for pollutants to travel up through capillary action.

Well fails, aquifer under pressure goes down into the chemical soup, picks up those chemicals and as rains and meltwater keep adding pressure to that system as the years go by, those chemicals percolate back up through these highways and mix with the aquifer's tappable water.

 

[Mr. H.]

To date, no well used for fracking has failed due to cracking that resulted from age. People were lighting their tap water long before anyone ever thought about fracking. The "dead zone" from the Mississippi existed before the first Indian planted anything.

And when those well casings do? Goodbye Ogallala Aquifer... Or any other vestige of pure water near you. You can't cleanup the mess left after fracking, ever. It's too deep. When you puncture those basin layers holding up the aquifers, you make a highway for pollutants to travel up through capillary action.

Well fails, aquifer under pressure goes down into the chemical soup, picks up those chemicals and as rains and meltwater keep adding pressure to that system as the years go by, those chemicals percolate back up through these highways and mix with the aquifer's tappable water.

Did you say Ogallala aquifer?

Running Dry on the Great Plains

But the aquifer’s only natural recharge comes from rain and snow. In our Kansas district, less than half an inch of that reached the aquifer in a given year. We were allowed to pump out over 30 times that amount.


Chemicals you say?

Agriculture | Polluted Runoff | US EPA

Agricultural activities that cause NPS pollution include poorly located or managed animal feeding operations; overgrazing; plowing too often or at the wrong time; and improper, excessive or poorly timed application of pesticides, irrigation water and fertilizer.

And from your comments, you obviously know nothing of how an oil or gas well is drilled and completed.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

To date, no well used for fracking has failed due to cracking that resulted from age. People were lighting their tap water long before anyone ever thought about fracking. The "dead zone" from the Mississippi existed before the first Indian planted anything.

And when those well casings do? Goodbye Ogallala Aquifer... Or any other vestige of pure water near you. You can't cleanup the mess left after fracking, ever. It's too deep. When you puncture those basin layers holding up the aquifers, you make a highway for pollutants to travel up through capillary action.

Well fails, aquifer under pressure goes down into the chemical soup, picks up those chemicals and as rains and meltwater keep adding pressure to that system as the years go by, those chemicals percolate back up through these highways and mix with the aquifer's tappable water.

Why don't you lay out an actual fact based argument about the breakdown rate of a double sleeved well shaft with concrete between the sleeves? After you do that, feel free to explain how an aquifer can "go down" into a well, and explain why I should worry about the massive dilution of benzene that would occur as a result.

By the way, did you know that, according to the EPA, it is perfectly safe to drink fracking fluid straight from the well?

 

[Silhouette]

To date, no well used for fracking has failed due to cracking that resulted from age. People were lighting their tap water long before anyone ever thought about fracking. The "dead zone" from the Mississippi existed before the first Indian planted anything.

And when those well casings do? Goodbye Ogallala Aquifer... Or any other vestige of pure water near you. You can't cleanup the mess left after fracking, ever. It's too deep. When you puncture those basin layers holding up the aquifers, you make a highway for pollutants to travel up through capillary action.

Well fails, aquifer under pressure goes down into the chemical soup, picks up those chemicals and as rains and meltwater keep adding pressure to that system as the years go by, those chemicals percolate back up through these highways and mix with the aquifer's tappable water.

Why don't you lay out an actual fact based argument about the breakdown rate of a double sleeved well shaft with concrete between the sleeves? After you do that, feel free to explain how an aquifer can "go down" into a well, and explain why I should worry about the massive dilution of benzene that would occur as a result.

By the way, did you know that, according to the EPA, it is perfectly safe to drink fracking fluid straight from the well?

Sure, a lateral shear earthquake. That would shatter those double walled well casings like snapping a twig.

 

[Mr. H.]

And when those well casings do? Goodbye Ogallala Aquifer... Or any other vestige of pure water near you. You can't cleanup the mess left after fracking, ever. It's too deep. When you puncture those basin layers holding up the aquifers, you make a highway for pollutants to travel up through capillary action.

Well fails, aquifer under pressure goes down into the chemical soup, picks up those chemicals and as rains and meltwater keep adding pressure to that system as the years go by, those chemicals percolate back up through these highways and mix with the aquifer's tappable water.

Why don't you lay out an actual fact based argument about the breakdown rate of a double sleeved well shaft with concrete between the sleeves? After you do that, feel free to explain how an aquifer can "go down" into a well, and explain why I should worry about the massive dilution of benzene that would occur as a result.

By the way, did you know that, according to the EPA, it is perfectly safe to drink fracking fluid straight from the well?

Sure, a lateral shear earthquake. That would shatter those double walled well casings like snapping a twig.

a) Back it up.
b) Find an incident of that occuring.

 

[HenryBHough]

A well built perpetual motion machine, harnessed to a generator, presents a gigantic problem. It would produce so much electricity that it couldn't be immediately used so would erupt as lightning that would kill the operator.

Worse, if that machine were used to separate oxygen and hydrogen from water soon there'd be a gigantic drought and the atmosphere would burst into flame.

/sarcastic faucet

 

[asterism]

Hydrogen?



Why a hydrogen economy doesn't make sense

 

[westwall]

"Fracking pollution"? I stopped reading there.

Yeah, it's a real crackup when stuff like benzene, diesel fuel and other noxious chemicals leak through aging well casings into our last vestiges of underground fresh water aquifers that we rely on for drinking and agriculture.

Equally hiarious is tap water that catches fire and dead zones in the Gulf from all the pollution of the runoff that enters the Mississippi.

Just nothing but fun and giggles...

I hate to break it to you but the "dead zones" are caused by agricultural runoff. You are going to have a hard time generating some respect around here when you can't even get the basics correct.

 

[westwall]

And when those well casings do? Goodbye Ogallala Aquifer... Or any other vestige of pure water near you. You can't cleanup the mess left after fracking, ever. It's too deep. When you puncture those basin layers holding up the aquifers, you make a highway for pollutants to travel up through capillary action.

Well fails, aquifer under pressure goes down into the chemical soup, picks up those chemicals and as rains and meltwater keep adding pressure to that system as the years go by, those chemicals percolate back up through these highways and mix with the aquifer's tappable water.

Why don't you lay out an actual fact based argument about the breakdown rate of a double sleeved well shaft with concrete between the sleeves? After you do that, feel free to explain how an aquifer can "go down" into a well, and explain why I should worry about the massive dilution of benzene that would occur as a result.

By the way, did you know that, according to the EPA, it is perfectly safe to drink fracking fluid straight from the well?

Sure, a lateral shear earthquake. That would shatter those double walled well casings like snapping a twig.

And seal them just as fast. Really. You have no idea what you're talking about do you...

 

[DennyO]

Gift #1: Hydrogen powered engines

#1 Discussion.

For a very long time now, decades if not longer, we have known how to use electricity to separate the hydrogen atoms from Oxygen in the simple water molecule. It's called electrolysis.

We have a device sold in kits today that takes water from a reservoir, like a gas tank, and uses a secondary alternator belt running off an engine that creates a current that separates hydrogen from oxygen. This liberates the hydrogen to be burned immediately in the combustion cycle of any engine. When it burns, it recombines with the oxygen to create water again in the form of steam vapor. This then can be recycled to produce more forward thrust.

The energy used to produce the hydrolysis is greater than the mechanical energy provided by the engine using the hydrogen generated, which is reduced even further by the losses in the alternator that produces the electricity for the hydrolysis.

What you are proposing violates the basic law of physics of conservation of energy. It does not work.

This is really no big secret deal, even a talented high school student could cobble up one of these "engines" as a science project.

 

[asterism]

Gift #1: Hydrogen powered engines

#1 Discussion.

For a very long time now, decades if not longer, we have known how to use electricity to separate the hydrogen atoms from Oxygen in the simple water molecule. It's called electrolysis.

We have a device sold in kits today that takes water from a reservoir, like a gas tank, and uses a secondary alternator belt running off an engine that creates a current that separates hydrogen from oxygen. This liberates the hydrogen to be burned immediately in the combustion cycle of any engine. When it burns, it recombines with the oxygen to create water again in the form of steam vapor. This then can be recycled to produce more forward thrust.

The energy used to produce the hydrolysis is greater than the mechanical energy provided by the engine using the hydrogen generated, which is reduced even further by the losses in the alternator that produces the electricity for the hydrolysis.

What you are proposing violates the basic law of physics of conservation of energy. It does not work.

This is really no big secret deal, even a talented high school student could cobble up one of these "engines" as a science project.

True.

One caveat is that hydrogen production does not require the same peak power as moving an object so in theory it could work some day with more efficient solar cells and more efficient batteries but we're a long way off from that.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

And when those well casings do? Goodbye Ogallala Aquifer... Or any other vestige of pure water near you. You can't cleanup the mess left after fracking, ever. It's too deep. When you puncture those basin layers holding up the aquifers, you make a highway for pollutants to travel up through capillary action.

Well fails, aquifer under pressure goes down into the chemical soup, picks up those chemicals and as rains and meltwater keep adding pressure to that system as the years go by, those chemicals percolate back up through these highways and mix with the aquifer's tappable water.

Why don't you lay out an actual fact based argument about the breakdown rate of a double sleeved well shaft with concrete between the sleeves? After you do that, feel free to explain how an aquifer can "go down" into a well, and explain why I should worry about the massive dilution of benzene that would occur as a result.

By the way, did you know that, according to the EPA, it is perfectly safe to drink fracking fluid straight from the well?

Sure, a lateral shear earthquake. That would shatter those double walled well casings like snapping a twig.

Because they always drill through earthquake faults.