Why green hydrogen is a lot of hot air

excalibur

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When the government attempts to pick winners, you should expect bad results. When it is Biden, well, someone is getting rich off all of us.

Just dumb stuff piled on top of dumb stuff while spending a trillion or so dollars across all these programs.


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In fact, as I show in my new Manhattan Institute report, manufacturing hydrogen requires at least twice as much energy as the hydrogen itself can provide, even before accounting for the energy lost when that hydrogen is subsequently used, such as in a fuel cell or burned in an industrial furnace.

That’s a thermodynamic fact, which no subsidy can change.

The Biden administration has chosen to invest billions of taxpayer dollars into manufacturing hydrogen via electrolysis.

Why?

Because electrolysis, which involves running an electric current through water to break apart hydrogen and oxygen molecules, yields zero carbon emissions.

This “green” end, it seems, justifies even economically absurd means.

As part of its green hydrogen efforts the administration launched an “Earthshot” program, which aims to reduce the cost of manufacturing green hydrogen through electrolysis by 80% by 2030 to just $1/kg.

The administration envisions using “surplus” wind and solar electricity – never defining what that means – in manufacturing plants that will produce millions of tons of zero-carbon hydrogen, which can then be used in industrial processes like steel and cement manufacturing, and thus move the country toward its net zero goal by 2050.

The problem here is that wind and solar power are inherently intermittent – the wind doesn’t always blow, and the sun doesn’t always shine.

Hence, operating a manufacturing plant only when there happens to be excess wind and solar generation would be neither practical nor cost-effective.

As for storing surplus wind and solar electricity in batteries and enabling plants to operate on a consistent schedule, my report shows the costs of the necessary storage alone could be as large as the cost of the manufacturing plants themselves, even if battery costs were cut in half.

No matter what process is used, Earthshot’s goal of manufacturing green hydrogen at a cost of no more than $1/kg is unrealistic.

The costs to build and maintain electrolysis plants, generate and transmit the electricity those plants require, and compress and store the hydrogen so it could be transported will far exceed $1/kg, even if electrolysis plant costs fall by 80%.

The tragedy in all of this is that the administration’s green hydrogen production goal — 10 million metric tons annually by 2030—would have no measurable impact on climate, even if it were achievable.

The resulting carbon reductions would be equivalent to two days of U.S. emissions in 2022 and less than six hours of world emissions.


 
Jonathan Lesser, the guy who has taken in millions of dollars from the Koch brothers and the oil and gas industry, is a climate denier, if anyone knows (or not)
 
Jonathan Lesser, the guy who has taken in millions of dollars from the Koch brothers and the oil and gas industry, is a climate denier, if anyone knows (or not)
Science is science. It takes a lot of energy to produce Hydrogen. More energy than it produces. Don't be a science denier.

L-I EVs suck and hydrogen vehicles is not an alternative.

However,


Imagine we lived in a world where all cars were electric vehicles, and then along comes a new invention; the internal combustion engine.

Think how well they would sell: a vehicle half the weight, half the price that will almost quarter the damage done to the road. A vehicle that can be refueled in 1/10th of the time and has a range of up to 4 times the distance in all weather conditions, which has no effect on operation of the vehicle. It does not rely on the environmentally damaging use of non-renewable rare earth elements to power it, and uses far less steel and other materials.

Just think how excited people would be for such technology . . . and it would sell like hot cakes.
 
Science is science. It takes a lot of energy to produce Hydrogen. More energy than it produces. Don't be a science denier.

L-I EVs suck and hydrogen vehicles is not an alternative.

However,


Imagine we lived in a world where all cars were electric vehicles, and then along comes a new invention; the internal combustion engine.

Think how well they would sell: a vehicle half the weight, half the price that will almost quarter the damage done to the road. A vehicle that can be refueled in 1/10th of the time and has a range of up to 4 times the distance in all weather conditions, which has no effect on operation of the vehicle. It does not rely on the environmentally damaging use of non-renewable rare earth elements to power it, and uses far less steel and other materials.

Just think how excited people would be for such technology . . . and it would sell like hot cakes.
It obviously costs the oil and gas industry millions to pay deniers.
 
It obviously costs the oil and gas industry millions to pay deniers.
The Environmental Wacko industry is a big scam nowadays.

Just think, those butt pirate paid off the Democrats to pour tens of billions of taxpayer's dollars into subsidies for these stupid EVs and charging stations.

Just think of all those filthy Democrat donors that are going to get filthy rich getting the contacts. Remember Solyndra?
 
The Environmental Wacko industry is a big scam nowadays.

Just think, those butt pirate paid off the Democrats to pour tens of billions of taxpayer's dollars into subsidies for these stupid EVs and charging stations.

Just think of all those filthy Democrat donors that are going to get filthy rich getting the contacts. Remember Solyndra?

Big oil has been investing 10s of millions in university research on reducing emissions for 40 years. Where have you been?
 
Big oil has been investing 10s of millions in university research on reducing emissions for 40 years. Where have you been?
But that is not taxpayer's money you moron. Potatohead is wasting billions of our dollars paying off Democrat donors and Environmental Wackos. It is despicable but business as usual for Democrat scum.
 
The Environmental Wacko industry is a big scam nowadays.

Just think, those butt pirate paid off the Democrats to pour tens of billions of taxpayer's dollars into subsidies for these stupid EVs and charging stations.

Just think of all those filthy Democrat donors that are going to get filthy rich getting the contacts. Remember Solyndra?
Obama sure remembers Solyndra.... It fattened up his bank account and the accounts of a few of his friends.
 
Obama sure remembers Solyndra.... It fattened up his bank account and the accounts of a few of his friends.
The guy never made any money as a "Community Activist". His salary as Senator and President was good but not near rich.

How did he afford that mega mansion on Martha's Vineyard while still keep his property in Chicago? Methinks something rotten in Denmark.
 
The guy never made any money as a "Community Activist". His salary as Senator and President was good but not near rich.

How did he afford that mega mansion on Martha's Vineyard while still keep his property in Chicago? Methinks something rotten in Denmark.
Yup....
 

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