Turnover machine, Mahomes or Allen

[XponentialChaos]

Kelce does not spend most of his time blocking. Kelce is a WR playing TE. They play him like a WR. That's my point. And in the end their contribution to their respective teams is essentially the same.

Tight ends spend a lot more time blocking than wide receivers do. Kelce is not a WR playing TE. He’s a TE playing TE.

It’s still not complicated.

 

[Couchpotato]

Tight ends spend a lot more time blocking than wide receivers do. Kelce is not a WR playing TE. He’s a TE playing TE.

It’s still not complicated.

Fine. Josh Allen is the best QB to ever play the game. No one has ever been better and no one ever will be better. Also. Even though Kelce and Diggs production is almost identical somehow because Kelce plays TE and Diggs WR Kelce’s counts for more. Happy?

 

[XponentialChaos]

Fine. Josh Allen is the best QB to ever play the game. No one has ever been better and no one ever will be better. Also. Even though Kelce and Diggs production is almost identical somehow because Kelce plays TE and Diggs WR Kelce’s counts for more. Happy?

I didn’t say Josh Allen is the best QB to ever play the game. I said that Mahomes has had a better supporting cast than Allen has. This should be obvious.

Tight ends do a lot more to impact games than just receptions. There’s this little thing called blocking that tight ends do a lot of - much more than wide receivers do. That’s why it doesn’t make sense to compare apples to oranges.

 

[dblack]

Mahomes is indeed a turnover machine. So far this year he's had 8 interceptions and only 6 TD passes.

He's also undefeated. Go figure.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Mahomes is indeed a turnover machine. So far this year he's had 8 interceptions and only 6 TD passes.

He's also undefeated. Go figure.

They score 28 points without him needing to throw a TD pass.

That is a good thing for KC, not so good for whomever they are playing next

 

[Couchpotato]

Mahomes is indeed a turnover machine. So far this year he's had 8 interceptions and only 6 TD passes.

He's also undefeated. Go figure.

Mahomes already has all the individual accolades. His legacy will be based on the number of SBs he wins. The only person he’s competing against at this point is Brady.

 

[XponentialChaos]

Mahomes is indeed a turnover machine. So far this year he's had 8 interceptions and only 6 TD passes.

He's also undefeated. Go figure.

He is tied for the most interceptions in the league and they still look unstoppable. Crazy.

That defense is so good.

 

[XponentialChaos]

Mahomes already has all the individual accolades. His legacy will be based on the number of SBs he wins. The only person he’s competing against at this point is Brady.

Joe Montana?

 

[Couchpotato]

Joe Montana?

He's one PO win away from tying Montana's total, and I dont think it's on the board that he wont pass him. It also doesn't seem feasible that he wont win at least 1 more SB but even if he doesn't barring injury, or him just packing it in way early I dont see how he wont lap Montana's stats. In 3 more seasons he probably passes him on the all tme yards list. Same with TD's likely. They have the same number of MVP's both SB and regular season. Both have repeated as SB champs. If Mahomes retires today Montana is probably ahead of him but if he just keeps playing I dont see how Montana is someone he wont pass. He has to 3 peat or win 3+ more SB's to be on Brady's level.

 

[Couchpotato]

He is tied for the most interceptions in the league and they still look unstoppable. Crazy.

That defense is so good.

The difference is Mahomes is making plays when they need him too.

 

[XponentialChaos]

The difference is Mahomes is making plays when they need him too.

No disagreement here. He’s clutch when they need him to win it. Especially in the playoffs.

 

[Couchpotato]

No disagreement here. He’s clutch when they need him to win it. Especially in the playoffs.

It is maddening for the rest of the league for sure. My Steelers look better than they have in years but I doubt they have a legit shot at contending as long as Mahomes and Reid are together.

 

[Couchpotato]

No disagreement here. He’s clutch when they need him to win it. Especially in the playoffs.

SF going to pay Purdy 60+ million a year?

 

[XponentialChaos]

Mahomes already has all the individual accolades. His legacy will be based on the number of SBs he wins. The only person he’s competing against at this point is Brady.

Joe Montana?

He's one PO win away from tying Montana's total, and I dont think it's on the board that he wont pass him. It also doesn't seem feasible that he wont win at least 1 more SB but even if he doesn't barring injury, or him just packing it in way early I dont see how he wont lap Montana's stats. In 3 more seasons he probably passes him on the all tme yards list. Same with TD's likely. They have the same number of MVP's both SB and regular season. Both have repeated as SB champs. If Mahomes retires today Montana is probably ahead of him but if he just keeps playing I dont see how Montana is someone he wont pass. He has to 3 peat or win 3+ more SB's to be on Brady's level.

You just said he will be measured by how many SBs he wins. Montana has 4 wins and never lost one. Mahomes has 3 wins and lost 1.

If Mahomes retires today, Montana is definitely ahead of him by your own criteria.

 

[XponentialChaos]

SF going to pay Purdy 60+ million a year?

I don’t know. The quarterback market doesn’t make sense and I think it’s just a matter of time for the league to figure this out and adjust.

Look at what happened to running backs. They used to be paid a lot more than they are now. Teams figured out that most running backs don’t deserve that kind of money and they can get younger, cheaper, committee options which has devalued the position.

Similarly, I look at the QB market and I can’t make sense of it either.

Mahomes is the 13th highest paid quarterback, which makes zero sense, and is also a big reason why they’re able to afford that defense they have. Deshaun Watson and Kyler Murray make more money than Mahomes. Zero sense.

Dak is making 60 million and his team looks like shit. Trevor Lawrence is making 55 million and they look like shit. Zero sense.

How much will Purdy make? I don’t know. I think he’s better than Dak, so he should be paid more than Dak, but Dak is also clearly overpaid. Like with running backs, general managers need to re-evaluate the value of quarterbacks. Some guys definitely deserve the money they’re making, but for other guys it just doesn’t make sense to pay top dollar on a quarterback just because he’s a quarterback.

There’s no reason someone like Trevor Lawrence should be getting paid 55 million dollars each year. There’s no reason someone like Daniel Jones is making 40 million each year when Sam Darnold makes 10 million and Geno Smith is making 25. The entire market for that position really needs to be re-configured. I think that will eventually happen when general managers figure out their best chance of winning may come from not paying top dollar for quarterbacks.

 

[Couchpotato]

You just said he will be measured by how many SBs he wins. Montana has 4 wins and never lost one. Mahomes has 3 wins and lost 1.

I think you are misunderstanding what Im saying.

Mahomes' is going to pass Montana. Even if he doesn't win another SB and he just puts up average statistics for the next 5 years and wins 2 PO games. If he gets 3500 yds and 25 TD's a year for the next 5 (which would be all time low numbers for Mahomes) he will blow by Montana statistically where that additional SB wont matter. No one thinks Bradshaw is a top 3 QB all time. He has 4 rings. So the only person on the list of all-time great qb's that he wont pass just on career momentum would be Brady.

He will have more in every meaningful statistic than Montana, just as many MVP's and SB MVP's more PO wins more regular season wins (assuming they keep winning 10-12 games a year) etc. And he will have done it with far less talent around him than Montana. Sorry but your boy is moving to 3rd on the all time great list.

If Mahomes retires today, Montana is definitely ahead of him by your own criteria.

I said that.

 

[XponentialChaos]

Mahomes already has all the individual accolades. His legacy will be based on the number of SBs he wins. The only person he’s competing against at this point is Brady.

Joe Montana?

Even if he doesn't win another SB and he just puts up average statistics for the next 5 years and wins 2 PO games. If he gets 3500 yds and 25 TD's a year for the next 5 (which would be all time low numbers for Mahomes) he will blow by Montana statistically where that additional SB wont matter.

“His legacy will be based on the number of super bowls he wins.”

“Even if he doesn’t win another SB and he just puts up average statistics…he will blow by Montana statistically where that additional SB wont matter.”

Yes it does matter. His legacy will be based on how many SB he wins, as you said, not the other statistics he’s putting up. If he can’t win another one, his legacy will be that he won 3 SBs. As it currently stands, Montana has 4. Mahomes has 3.

 

[XponentialChaos]

If Mahomes retires today Montana is probably ahead of him…

If Mahomes retires today, Montana is definitely ahead of him by your own criteria.

I said that.

Here is what was said.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

lantern2814 you are forgetting that is because in one of those games,the one against the CHEATriots,is because the pats as they always did in the playoffs and superbowls,had the refs in their pockets.

That game was no exception and any thinking person could see that like when the chiefs kicked off to them and that pats returner touched the ball as replays clearly showed,and it was correctly called a touchdown when the chiefs ran it in but then the refs reversed the call AFTER that pats player kept yelling at him? Everybody knows that pats player OBVIOUSLY said to that ref,what are you doing you promised you would let us win.

The refs clearly showed their bias in that game not only with thst call, but when one of the chiefs defenders on third and long got called fir a personal foul penalty just for merely hitting brady on the shoulder pads giving them a new set of downs which led to a touchdown which they would not have gotten had that bs personal foul penalty not been called and had not taken that touchdown away from the chiefs.
The chiefs get called for a personal foul penalty just fir merely hitting Brady’s shoulder pads yet when a pats player put a far much more vicious hit against Mahomes hitting him long after he threw the ball,no personal foul was called,Mahomes like everybody on the planet not biased towards the pats as so many are,could not believe that non call.yeah no favoritism by the refs there. Mahomes did not have the luxury brady had in that game of the refs putting a skirt on him you forgot to mention.

Oh and you also convienetely forgot to mention when he faced the bucs brady had the unfair advantage playing in his own stadium,brady even said it makes things so much easier for the team just driving to the stadium not having to worry about jet lag.HUGE advantage there. and the chiefs also had a major disadvantage with Mahomes having two of his best starting linemen out of the game as well where the bucs were healthy.

Mahomes clearly does not have a skirt on him that brady clearly got to have his career,in that Thursday night opener against the ravens,a ravens defender shoved him lonnnngggg after he was way out of bounds yet no personal foul was called on him.shit you ever did that to brady,you saw refs throwing multiple yellow flags from every direction in the world,then in the game against the niners last week,a niners player hit Mahomes in the throut right in front of the ref,yet no personal foul was called against him.**** had that been brady,that niners player not only would have had a ******* yellow flag thrown fir unsportsmanlike like conduct,but his ass would have been ejected from the game,you know it,I know it,anybody thst says otherwise is fooling themselves and living in a fantasyland.

highly disadvantaged odds fir any quarterback to overcome.

Right gipper

progressive hunter ?

Oddball

 

[LA RAM FAN]

weell when someone is missing their two starting receivers and running back and you don’t have anybody that can get open,then uhhh yeah of course you are going to be a turnover machine. I think it’s impressive that Mahomes was able to keep his composure last year without having a mental breakdown under the circumstances he was facing last year when having to deal with receivers who could not catch the ball,an offensive line that could not protect him,one of them,Taylor costing them touchdowns with holding penalty’s at critical times in the game.

Everybody knew Mahomes had no confidance in his receivers and felt like to get the ball down the field,HE was going to have to run every play to get a first down the fact he had NO receivers who could catch the goddamn ball.josh Allen has receivers who can catch the ball and get open and offensive line that can protect him,

I would like to see him try and keep his composure and not go mentally crazy without having a meltdown playing behind an offensive line that can’t pass block so you have to run fir your life on every snap and the worst receivers in the league who can’t even catch a ******* football that is a perfect pass that even a junior high school kid would not drop.let’s see how long he goes under those circumstances without having a mental breakdown.

I think that’s pretty ******* amazing to repeat as superbowl champions to face that kind of diversity and still win it all. Mahomes was fortunate enough to have a dominating defense to bail out the offense that had no receivers that could catch the ball and arguably the greatest coach of all time whos coaching got them through those difficult times no doubt.