Turnover machine, Mahomes or Allen

Joe Montana?

Mahomes' #'s are a lot better than Montana's; regardless that he has 1 more SB than Patrick! Even w/ his dismal record this season, Mahomes has already surpassed Brady IMO except in the # of SB's! KC's won 17 games in a row, including the SB from last season, so all who question his ability looks like a fool regardless of his efforts this season w/ KC 6-0! :dunno: :stir: ;) :oops:
 
Mahomes' #'s are a lot better than Montana's; regardless that he has 1 more SB than Patrick! Even w/ his dismal record this season, Mahomes has already surpassed Brady IMO except in the # of SB's! KC's won 17 games in a row, including the SB from last season, so all who question his ability looks like a fool regardless of his efforts this season w/ KC 6-0! :dunno: :stir: ;) :oops:
Damn straight anybody that questions his ability is a fool. :thup: because of the refs horrible officiating,I don’t watch the nfl anymore even the rams EXCEPT the chiefs,they are the exception and that is because Mahomes is saving the nfl from being boring,he is the ONLY thing about the nfl that makes it worth watching anymore sadly.

If he gets hurt I won’t watch the chiefs and thst is because he is a once in a generation quarterback,I don’t think i can recall ever seeing a qb who can throw the ball really far no less,with his non throwing arm.the guy is amazing almost non human.
I never had an interest in the chiefs my whole life either with the exception when Montana was there.

As I just got done saying,he is only a turnover machine this year because he lost his two starting receivers and running back so he doesn’t have anybody to throw to,Kelce can’t get open because with rices injury now,teams can double team him so they are trying to run the ball more than normal because of that.

Also as I just got done saying,the thing thst impresses me most on Mahomes is most quarterbacks in the league would have cracked mentally and would have given up had they had to deal with the adversity he had to face last season,he didn’t have any receivers who could catch the fucking ball even though they were easy catches a junior high school kid could make nor an offensive line that could pass block making him run fir his life on,practically every snap.yet he still played well enough to get them in the playoffs and Andy had a lot to do with thst of course.

Mahomes had no faith whatsoever in his receivers last year,he rightly so did not feel they would catch the ball even if he hit them in the numbers and he was runn8ng fir his life cause his offensive line could not protect him.

Josh Allen at least had the luxury of having good receivers who could catch the fucking football to throw to.Let’s see just how far he gets into the playoffs if he has to deal with the horrible conditions Mahomes faced all year.let’s see if he has that mental will power to fight through it all and take the team to the Super Bowl.it’s hard to say if Allen could have done it or not but what CAN be said though,is very few NFL quarterbacks could have handled that adversity as Mahomes did without cracking up mentally under those conditions with the frustration he had to deal with.
 
I don’t know brock purdys turnover to touchdown ratio is,but I would bet my life savings that he has more turnovers than touchdowns as well,am I right or am I right,prove me wrong.

Purdy is dealing with the same adversity Mahomes is,his two starting receivers and running back out due to injury as well the differerence being him and shannahan cannot handle the adversity where Mahomes and reid can,
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Again let’s see just how long josh Allen goes without cracking up mentally knowing he has to carry the load all by himself to move the chains with no receivers who can get open or in last years case,receivers who can’t even catch the fucking football thst is so easy to catch a junior high kid could catch those passes and having to run for his life all the time cause the offensive line can’t protect you. Very few NFL quarterbacks in the league could have handled that adversity without mentally cracking up knowing theur receivers won’t catch the ball you throw them.
 
I don’t know brock purdys turnover to touchdown ratio is,but I would bet my life savings that he has more turnovers than touchdowns as well,am I right or am I right,prove me wrong.

Purdy is dealing with the same adversity Mahomes is,his two starting receivers and running back out due to injury as well the differerence being him and shannahan cannot handle the adversity where Mahomes and reid can,
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Again let’s see just how long josh Allen goes without cracking up mentally knowing he has to carry the load all by himself to move the chains with no receivers who can get open or in last years case,receivers who can’t even catch the fucking football thst is so easy to catch a junior high kid could catch those passes and having to run for his life all the time cause the offensive line can’t protect you. Very few NFL quarterbacks in the league could have handled that adversity without mentally cracking up knowing theur receivers won’t catch the ball you throw them.

I just don't understand why Purdy gets so much heat from the so called experts on sports' shows! Commentators eat him alive for some reason even though he took SF to the SB! His adversity is definitely affecting his efforts, but Mahomes' "The Magic Man" & can will his team to victory! He's really quite amazing as he wins as a "T/O machine" this season! ;) :stir::meow::confused::cool:
 
I just don't understand why Purdy gets so much heat from the so called experts on sports' shows! Commentators eat him alive for some reason even though he took SF to the SB! His adversity is definitely affecting his efforts, but Mahomes' "The Magic Man" & can will his team to victory! He's really quite amazing as he wins as a "T/O machine" this season! ;) :stir::meow::confused::cool:
Because everyone crowned him as this amazing QB touted him as a possible MVP, when he wasnt even the 5th most valuable player on his own team. That's coming to light this year. Their drop off just losing McCaffery is crazy. It's also because Purdy has essentially the same success as Jimmy G in this system. He's just not as much of a bone head with the ball.
 
“His legacy will be based on the number of super bowls he wins.”

“Even if he doesn’t win another SB and he just puts up average statistics…he will blow by Montana statistically where that additional SB wont matter.”

Yes it does matter. His legacy will be based on how many SB he wins, as you said, not the other statistics he’s putting up. If he can’t win another one, his legacy will be that he won 3 SBs. As it currently stands, Montana has 4. Mahomes has 3.
Because he already has the statistics and individual awards. Essentially his career to date and another 5ish years of average statistics will push him past Montana, even without another SB win so IMO it's not on the board barring catastrophic injury that he doesn't pass him. That leaves just Brady and he has to win more SB's to pass Brady. Is Bradshaw 3rd on the all time list with an argument to be 2 ahead of Montana? They both have 4 SB's. Is Trent Dilfer ahead of Marino?
 
Mahomes already has all the individual accolades. His legacy will be based on the number of SBs he wins. The only person he’s competing against at this point is Brady.
Essentially his career to date and another 5ish years of average statistics will push him past Montana, even without another SB win…
“His legacy will be based on the number of SBs he wins.”

“…Another 5ish years of average statistics will push him past Montana, even without another SB win…”

YOU said his legacy will be based on the number of SBs he wins. Not the average statistics he may accumulate over the next several years. If he stays at 3, then he will be below the number that Montana won.
 
“His legacy will be based on the number of SBs he wins.”

“…Another 5ish years of average statistics will push him past Montana, even without another SB win…”

YOU said his legacy will be based on the number of SBs he wins. Not the average statistics he may accumulate over the next several years. If he stays at 3, then he will be below the number that Montana won.
Because his legacy as the #2 is already essentially assured, the only person he's chasing in Brady. Im not sure why this is so difficult for you to grasp.
 
His legacy will be based on the number of SBs he wins.
Because his legacy as the #2 is already essentially assured, the only person he's chasing in Brady.
How is his legacy as #2 essentially assured when you just said his legacy is based on the number of SBs he wins? If his legacy is based on the number of SBs he wins, then he’s not ahead of Montana. Explain to me how 3 is bigger than 4. That’s the part I’m having difficulty grasping.
 
It'll be interesting to see what kind of impact DeAndre Hopkins has on Mahomes' numbers.
 
Fiero425 did you notice my earlier post i made here where Brady had a MAJOR HUGE advantage BOTH times Mahomes faced him and lost to him when it counted.?


the first time against the pats as i just pointed out,the refs were CLEARLY in robert krafts pockets,that cant be debated, if that game is offiated FAIRLY without one horrible critical call against the chiefs after another,no way in hell the pats win,we know it,pats fans know it.:rolleyes-41:

the second time brady had a major huge advantage as well because he got to play in his own stadium not having to travel or anything.he HIMSELF said that was an advantage he was enjoying before the game. Not to mention the bucs starters were all healthy and the chiefs two offensive starting linemen were out.

that was WHY the broncos got blown out against the seahawks in the superbowl as well because the seahawks were all healthy and the bronocs had major injurys. when the donkeys faced them in the opener the next season,the game was much closer when all the donkey players were healthy,it was a close game as everybody expected that superbowl to be. Lantern obviosly did not remember any of those facts huh?
 
Fiero425 Did you notice my earlier post I made here where Brady had a MAJOR HUGE advantage BOTH times Mahomes faced him and lost to him when it counted?


The first time against the Pats as I just pointed out, the refs were CLEARLY in Robert Kraft's pockets. That can't be debated if that game is officiated FAIRLY without one horrible critical call against the Chiefs after another. No way in Hell the Pats win. We know it. Pats fans know it.:rolleyes-41:

The 2nd time Brady had a major huge advantage as well because he got to play in his own stadium not having to travel or anything. He HIMSELF said that was an advantage he was enjoying before the game. Not to mention the Bucs starters were all healthy and the Chiefs two offensive starting linemen were out.

That was WHY the Broncos got blown out against the Seahawks in the Superbowl as well because the Seahawks were all healthy and the Bronocs had major injurys. When the donkeys faced them in the opener the next season, the game was much closer when all the donkey players were healthy. It was a close game as everybody expected that Superbowl to be. Lantern obviously did not remember any of those facts huh?

Montana didn't do anything in comparison to Mahomes! The defense of TB had Mahomes running for his life in that SB & the other loss in the CHP. game, KC had the game won but for an offside by the Defense when Brady thru an interception! We need to stop trying to blame QB's for what goes on w/ Defense & Special Teams as FG's win a lot of these games! QB's get them in position of course, but there's still a bit of conflation! :cool: :meow::stir::eek:
 
How is his legacy as #2 essentially assured when you just said his legacy is based on the number of SBs he wins? If his legacy is based on the number of SBs he wins, then he’s not ahead of Montana. Explain to me how 3 is bigger than 4. That’s the part I’m having difficulty grasping.
Are you just trolling?
 
Are you just trolling?
No. If his legacy is based on how many Super Bowls he wins, and he wins less Super Bowls than Joe Montana, then he isn’t above Joe Montana. It’s really not that complicated.
 
Montana didn't do anything in comparison to Mahomes! The defense of TB had Mahomes running for his life in that SB & the other loss in the CHP. game, KC had the game won but for an offside by the Defense when Brady thru an interception! We need to stop trying to blame QB's for what goes on w/ Defense & Special Teams as FG's win a lot of these games! QB's get them in position of course, but there's still a bit of conflation! :cool: :meow::stir::eek:
Yeah they had him running fir his life because as I said,the chiefs did not have two of their starting offensive lineman where the bucs were completely healthy.,that makes all the differerence in the world.that again was why I knew the Seahawks would win that Super Bowl against the donkeys Unlike most people I spoke with that took bets with me on it cause it was the same situation,Seahawks were healthy broncos had major injury’s.the next year when the faced each other in the opener when BOTH teams were healthy,it was a much closer game.that was a major unfair advantage the bucs had in that game dude. The bucs defense does not dominate that game as they did if the chiefs are healthy and don’t have an unfair homefield advantage,brady gloated over how he enjoyed that advantage prior to the game.

And you of all people know the cheatriots ALWAYS had the refs in their pockets in big games,they NEVER had critical calls go against them where the other teams always did,that game was no exception as I just proved,if that ref does not cave into the whining of thst pats player and sticks to his guns and makes the correct call thst he did not taking a touchdown away from the chiefs sense that pats player clearly touched the ball on kickoff,it’s a ,much differerent story.it never would have come down to that in the end dude,we both know that.

And facts are facts that a skirt was put on brady where the refs allowed a bounty hunt on Mahomes.like I said over on my thread,the refs want teams to take out Mahomes,teams could not even breath on Brady without a yellow flag being thrown so his seven Super Bowl wins are nit impressive in the least with that skirt he had on all those years.

With Mahomes though,he is constantly roughed up and the refs never call flags as they do fir the other quarterbacks which makes his three Super Bowl wins all the more impressive.

Shit the way the refs allow teams to put a bounty on Mahomes,he might as well be playing in the era montana did when quarterbacks constantly got thrown around like ragdolls every week.

Montana played in an era where quarterbacks were thrown around like ragdolls and would get speared in the back all the time which is WHY him and bradshaw are tied at four a piece fir all time Super Bowl wins.the TRUE all time wins in superbowls for most Super Bowl wins the fact they played in an era where quarterbacks did not have skirts on them. :rofl:When REAL men played the game.

You give Mahomes the luxaary of a skirt like brady had for over twenty years,he would have five Super Bowl wins by now.that hurts toofreaks feelings sense he has an irrational hate towards him saying he could not win on the road last year and back peddled when I called him out on it refusing to own up to being wrong. :abgg2q.jpg:

Montana to me was the most exciting quarterback I ever saw because of his magical touch he had when he threw short passes,Jerry rice said he preferred joe over Steve young because of that.

To me,Montana was the most exciting quarterback to wartch in that era along with John elway,Mahomes is the most exciting qb I have seen sense the days of Montana and elway is all I’m saying.;)

We will never know fir sure if Mahomes would have lasted in the era Montana and elway splayed when quarterbacks git thrown around like ragdolls,,we both know brady wouldn’t. :abgg2q.jpg: He’s a wuss,could not even take a hit to the knee without going down an entire year.but my gut feeling is he could,he is a warrior,tough and plays threw pain unlike wuss brady who whined to to goddel to change the rules in hits to quarterbacks when he went down fir the year.
 
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And you of all people know the cheatriots ALWAYS had the refs in their pockets in big games,they NEVER had critical calls go against them but the other teams did ...
One thing that doesn't get talked about much in the suggestions that refs are biased - a good team draws penalties from the other side. It's a fairly obvious equation - sometimes trying to sneak in a hold, or pushing the line on pass interference, is the only way you can stop a good team.
 
No. If his legacy is based on how many Super Bowls he wins, and he wins less Super Bowls than Joe Montana, then he isn’t above Joe Montana. It’s really not that complicated.
His legacy is NOW (as in going forward, from this point on etc) based on how many SB's he ends up winning. He' already has the stats and individual accomplishments (MVP's, SB MVPs etc) He going to eclipse Montana by enough that the single SB difference between them wont matter, (it doesnt help that Montana's back up won a SB with the same team) but there's 4 between him and Brady and Brady has all records for the statistics as well. Mahomes wont be able to pass Brady by enough statistically in order to make up for 4 SB's. Clear now?
 
His legacy is based on how many SB's he ends up winning.

He going to eclipse Montana by enough that the single SB difference between them wont matter

If he can’t close the deal in the playoffs then it doesn’t matter what numbers he pads his stats with in the regular season.

4 is still greater than 3 if we’re saying that his legacy is based on how many SBs he wins.
 
One comment, re: Mahomes' flagging stats. When you have an elite defense, you use it. And the game plan changes to take advantage. You don't necessarily want to throw the long bomb and get a quick TD. You want to grind down the field, eat up the clock and give your D a good rest - so that they can come back out and shut down the other team again. It sounds like a copout to say that Mahomes doesn't have the passing stats because he doesn't need them - but there's some truth to that.
 
If he can’t close the deal in the playoffs then it doesn’t matter what numbers he pads his stats with in the regular season.

4 is still greater than 3 if we’re saying that his legacy is based on how many SBs he wins.
On your all the greats list who’s higher. Marino or Dilfer?
 

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