Dan Marino didn’t have the titles but he was considered one of the best QBs of his era. Same with Fouts.
are Allen and the Bills losing by 4 scores to a shitty team?
There's really no denying Mahomes is playing like shit (by his normal standards at least). In my view, his biggest problem is that both of his offensive tackles suck. When they're not canceling touchdowns with stupid penalties, they're letting the defensive line march right around them. This makes Mahomes nervous in the pocket and eager to get rid of the ball, to the point that he's making bad passes, or throwing it away when he might have scrambled and pulled of a pass to Kelce in the past.
You weren’t saying anything when Allen won offensive player of the week 2 times in 3 games. He had a couple of bad games, but still hasn’t thrown any picks, which is encouraging. It’s too early for you to be gloating.
Haha. If you didn’t come in here sucking Allen’s dick every time he has a good game I wouldn’t rub your nose in it when he doesn’t.
I don't see any point in the animosity. I'm a huge Chiefs fan, but I have nothing but respect for Allen. If he'd had Reid for a coach the last five years he might be flying higher than Mahomes.
I don't have anything against Allen either as I've said in this thread and others I think he's an exceptionally talented player. Rocko likes to cry bully in his threads about how Allen is better than Mahomes when anyone pushes back. The reality is as talented as Allen is he's not better than Mahomes. He's not more accomplished. Maybe he would be better under Reid. Maybe he would be better with more weapons (Diggs was a pretty solid weapon) but I'm not convinced of that. Other than Tyreek Hill I don't think the Chiefs have had better offensive weapons than the Bills. Kelce is amazing but I don't think he's a greater threat than Diggs was and the reality is we have to deal with what is not what might have been. The bottom line is Mahomes has 3 SB wins, 3 SB MVP's, 2 regular season MVP's, 4 SB appearances, 6 AFC championship appearances with 4 wins, the earliest he's been bounced from the PO's is the AFC Championship game. Allen has none of those accomplishments. None. Mahomes is already 3rd in PO wins all time and will be 2nd behind Brady alone after this year more than likely. If both Mahomes and Allen retired today. Mahomes is a 1st Ballot HOFer and Allen doesnt get a jacket.
No one has said Allen isnt a great player.
Why the dig about Rice getting injured?
Tyreek is way better than Diggs. Tyreek is definitely going to the HOF. I can’t say the same about Diggs. Allen played with Diggs for 4 years. Mahomes played with Tyreek for 4 years (as starters). That advantage definitely goes to Mahomes.
Diggs didn’t make the all pro team until he played with Allen. Diggs isn’t even the best player on his team. Nico Collins is. Hill is waaaaaay better than Diggs. And Kelce is better than anyone else on the Bills.
Diggs is better than Kelce? Dude thanks for the laugh
Where did I say Diggs was better than Kelce? Diggs is/was a 1000-1500 yd receiver who got you 8-10 TD's a year. Kelce is/was a 1000-1400 yd receiver who got you 8-10 TD's a year. How is Kelce a greater threat than Diggs which is what I said. BTW. Digss was a 1000-1200 yd receiver good for 8-10 TDs before he went to Buffalo, with Cousins as his QB and having Jefferson on his team which can be a curse and a blessing. Jefferson sucks up coverage but he also sucks up receptions.
Ok. The HOF is positional though. You are compared to the other players at your position not the league as a whole. Kelce is certainly an anomaly at his position which is why he will go to the HOF But if his production is essentially the same how is the benefit to the team greater? Do TD's scored by TE's count for more than ones scored by WR's? Do TE's only have to go 8 yds for a 1st down while WR's have to get the full 10? If Diggs were a TE with his stats he'd go to the HOF as well.
Apples and oranges. Tight ends and wide receivers are not the same.
Diggs never played with Jefferson, Einstein
Kelce does not spend most of his time blocking. Kelce is a WR playing TE. They play him like a WR. That's my point. And in the end their contribution to their respective teams is essentially the same.
Ok. Doesn’t change the point. His stats were very similar in Minny and Buffalo. And to the point his stats in Buffalo are essentially the same as Kelce's (Diggs' are actually better). Bottom line is that Diggs and Kelce's production in yards and scoring are nearly identical. The only reason one is seen as greater than the other is they play different positions but that doesn't change their contribution on the field.
