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Yes. One of the reasons Peter's advice to wives may have been longer is because in the culture of the day if a husband decided to become a Christian, he brought his wife along with him. If a wife decided to become Christian, and the husband did not, she was on her own.The whole chapter was intended to be instructional. There are roles and responsibilities in all marriages or at least there are in harmonious relationships where two are joined into one.
The first sentence is: Likewise, you wives, be submissive to your husbands, so that, if there are any who refuse to believe the word, they may be won for Christ without a word because they have seen your pure and reverent behavior.One ignoring the first sentence. The other not. Pick and choose.. Pick and choose.. You did as expected.
How little it would take to convince you? Really? There is no evidence you will even consider.I want to believe in God, and would if I could find the slightest reason to. That would be the greatest thing ever to have a personal relationship with an all knowing, all powerful God who cares about me, and comforts me in the hard times. I'm sure a real God would know how little it would take to convince me, and make me a follower forever, but, if he does exist, he doesn't seem to care about me enough to show he is real..
The first sentence is: Likewise, you wives, be submissive to your husbands,
Squirm all day, but you cannot hide. Take responsibility:3 Likewise, wives, be subject to your own husbands, so that even if some do not obey the word, they may be won without a word by the conduct of their wives, 2
Ezra 10:4 ESV
Arise, for it is your task, and we are with you; be strong and do it.”
St. Francis is credited with saying something like it. Preach the Gospel always. When necessary use words. Peter's advice is one's conduct can be even more effective than words.3 Likewise, wives, be subject to your own husbands, so that even if some do not obey the word, they may be won without a word by the conduct of their wives, 2
You're making some pretty big assumptions with nothing to back them up, aren't you? After spending most of my life telling myself that there has to be an omnipotent, loving God, and the only reason I couldn't make that connection was because I wasn't praying hard enough, or working hard enough to fulfill his plans for me, I finally realized I have no obligation. If a god really cares enough about me to have his son die for me, and he truly wants me to believe in him, he would at least give me some small reason to believe he exists.How little it would take to convince you? Really? There is no evidence you will even consider.I want to believe in God, and would if I could find the slightest reason to. That would be the greatest thing ever to have a personal relationship with an all knowing, all powerful God who cares about me, and comforts me in the hard times. I'm sure a real God would know how little it would take to convince me, and make me a follower forever, but, if he does exist, he doesn't seem to care about me enough to show he is real..
But putting that aside, why is it the creator of existence's job to satisfy your demands? What is your obligation in all of this?
And as I believe Emily has pointed out, how does sacrificing animals, humans, or one's own son (still) translate as "Love!" or "moral" today? It's all just gross.If a god really cares enough about me to have his son die for me, and he truly wants me to believe in him, he would at least give me some small reason to believe he exists.
and he truly wants me to believe in him, he would at least give me some small reason to believe he exists.
"I desire mercy, not sacrifice..." (Hosea 6:6) and the sentiment occurs in other verses as well.And as I believe Emily has pointed out, how does sacrificing animals, humans, or one's own son (still) translate as "Love!" or "moral" today? It's all just gross.
Not sure how you can know someone when you have no reason to believe they exist. How does that work?and he truly wants me to believe in him, he would at least give me some small reason to believe he exists.
Does He want belief, or does He want you to know Him? Do you see a difference between these two?
Nah. . . I don't think you really do.I want to believe in God, and would if I could find the slightest reason to. That would be the greatest thing ever to have a personal relationship with an all knowing, all powerful God who cares about me, and comforts me in the hard times. I'm sure a real God would know how little it would take to convince me, and make me a follower forever, but, if he does exist, he doesn't seem to care about me enough to show he is real..
The greatest Commandment is to love God above all else. Struggling with this over the years my question was how can I love someone I don't even know? The Christian answer was to know Jesus is to know God. I think that may work for many, but I still struggled. Then I came across a Jewish philosophy. Knowing and loving God's Law teaches one to know and love God. This still took a lot of time (years), but I kept at it. In the end it was what worked best for me. Still, I had no trouble believing in God, so I that was not a step I had to overcome. Perhaps belief will come with knowing the Law? But first and primary, Do you want to believe in God?Not sure how you can know someone when you have no reason to believe they exist. How does that work?
Agreed! God can work with who we are. We do not need to become someone we are not.BUT? If I were a betting man? I am pretty sure, it is the creator's plan, that your role is to be an atheist, and you are doing a fine job.
What assumptions did I make? I could walk down the list for reasons for believing God exists and you would deny everyone of them. There is no evidence you will even consider.You're making some pretty big assumptions with nothing to back them up, aren't you? After spending most of my life telling myself that there has to be an omnipotent, loving God, and the only reason I couldn't make that connection was because I wasn't praying hard enough, or working hard enough to fulfill his plans for me, I finally realized I have no obligation. If a god really cares enough about me to have his son die for me, and he truly wants me to believe in him, he would at least give me some small reason to believe he exists.How little it would take to convince you? Really? There is no evidence you will even consider.I want to believe in God, and would if I could find the slightest reason to. That would be the greatest thing ever to have a personal relationship with an all knowing, all powerful God who cares about me, and comforts me in the hard times. I'm sure a real God would know how little it would take to convince me, and make me a follower forever, but, if he does exist, he doesn't seem to care about me enough to show he is real..
But putting that aside, why is it the creator of existence's job to satisfy your demands? What is your obligation in all of this?
Wow. The part about spending most of my life in church and constantly in search of the great revelation that I was sure would eventually come for me went right over your head, didn't it? During that time I would proclaim my faith every chance I got, while never really seeing any real reason to do so.The greatest Commandment is to love God above all else. Struggling with this over the years my question was how can I love someone I don't even know? The Christian answer was to know Jesus is to know God. I think that may work for many, but I still struggled. Then I came across a Jewish philosophy. Knowing and loving God's Law teaches one to know and love God. This still took a lot of time (years), but I kept at it. In the end it was what worked best for me. Still, I had no trouble believing in God, so I that was not a step I had to overcome. Perhaps belief will come with knowing the Law? But first and primary, Do you want to believe in God?Not sure how you can know someone when you have no reason to believe they exist. How does that work?
It seems to me that if someone has no wish to know God, to love God, or to believe in God it is a long, hard row to hoe for something that is not even wanted.
You assume no evidence would convince me. However that is exactly what I have found. No evidence.What assumptions did I make? I could walk down the list for reasons for believing God exists and you would deny everyone of them. There is no evidence you will even consider.You're making some pretty big assumptions with nothing to back them up, aren't you? After spending most of my life telling myself that there has to be an omnipotent, loving God, and the only reason I couldn't make that connection was because I wasn't praying hard enough, or working hard enough to fulfill his plans for me, I finally realized I have no obligation. If a god really cares enough about me to have his son die for me, and he truly wants me to believe in him, he would at least give me some small reason to believe he exists.How little it would take to convince you? Really? There is no evidence you will even consider.I want to believe in God, and would if I could find the slightest reason to. That would be the greatest thing ever to have a personal relationship with an all knowing, all powerful God who cares about me, and comforts me in the hard times. I'm sure a real God would know how little it would take to convince me, and make me a follower forever, but, if he does exist, he doesn't seem to care about me enough to show he is real..
But putting that aside, why is it the creator of existence's job to satisfy your demands? What is your obligation in all of this?
No, I got that. You were looking for a great revelation. For yourself? What would you have done with it that you haven't been able to accomplish without said revelation? (By the way, looking for a Great Revelation isn't the same as seeking to know God.)Wow. The part about spending most of my life in church and constantly in search of the great revelation that I was sure would eventually come for me went right over your head, didn't it? During that time I would proclaim my faith every chance I got, while never really seeing any real reason to do so.
And that's not a claim. No it's not!(By the way, looking for a Great Revelation isn't the same as seeking to know God.)
I don't know about you, but I would call discovering a reason to believe that god actually exists, and that all the things I had been taught about him were true, an amazing revelation. Again, I don't know how anyone could know a god when there isn't any reason to believe they actually exist. You gotta explain how that works.No, I got that. You were looking for a great revelation. For yourself? What would you have done with it that you haven't been able to accomplish without said revelation? (By the way, looking for a Great Revelation isn't the same as seeking to know God.)Wow. The part about spending most of my life in church and constantly in search of the great revelation that I was sure would eventually come for me went right over your head, didn't it? During that time I would proclaim my faith every chance I got, while never really seeing any real reason to do so.
