Zone1 Meekness Isn't Weakness

[buttercup]

From Strong's/Greek

"Meekness toward God is that disposition of spirit in which we accept His dealings with us as good, and therefore without disputing or resisting. In the OT, the meek are those wholly relying on God rather than their own strength to defend against injustice. Thus, meekness toward evil people means knowing God is permitting the injuries they inflict, that He is using them to purify His elect, and that He will deliver His elect in His time (Isa 41:17, Luk 18:1-8). Gentleness or meekness is the opposite to self-assertiveness and self-interest. It stems from trust in God's goodness and control over the situation. The gentle person is not occupied with self at all. This is a work of the Holy Spirit, not of the human will (Gal 5:23)."

This about sums it up.

Yeah, that's pretty much what I was saying in the OP, that biblical meekness involves being submitted to God, which means letting God lead, as opposed to self-assertiveness and self-interest.

Here are a couple good videos on this topic.....






Btw, as someone who has been on both sides and experienced life in both ways, I can definitely say with 100% certainty that things ALWAYS work out best when you let God lead. Trying to do things outside of God's will often ends up with disastrous results, I've learned that the hard way.

 

[Woodznutz]

Yeah, that's pretty much what I was saying in the OP, that biblical meekness involves being submitted to God, which means letting God lead, as opposed to self-assertiveness and self-interest.

Here are a couple good videos on this topic.....






Btw, as someone who has been on both sides and experienced life in both ways, I can definitely say with 100% certainty that things ALWAYS work out best when you let God lead. Trying to do things outside of God's will often ends up with disastrous results, I've learned that the hard way.

Me too, but I didn't know what God's way was until I was 30.

 

[hadit]

Meekness isn't a word you hear very often, and when you do hear it, it's often portrayed negatively. Many people associate meekness with weakness or timidity. But we can know right off the bat that meekness is not weakness, because Jesus Himself – who was God incarnate – described Himself as meek.



Obviously God is not weak, God is the very opposite of weak.

So what does meekness mean?

The first mention of the word “meek” in the Bible is found in Numbers 12:3. The verse states, “Now the man Moses was very meek, above all the men which were upon the face of the earth.” This verse highlights Moses’ humility and gentle spirit, particularly as a contrast to his siblings, Aaron and Miriam, who had spoken against him.

In Number 12, we see that in the face of insult and provocation, Moses did not respond with angry defensiveness. Instead, it was God who defended Moses, and punished Miriam. (Numbers 12:10) Moses’ response in this passage serves as an example of biblical meekness.

When there is an offense or even persecution, a meek person responds with patience and grace, and trusts in God’s justice instead of taking matters into his own hands.

Qualities like patience and self-restraint require strength. So meekness is not weakness, it is a deliberate choice to respond with humility, even when one may have the right to assert themselves. Someone who is meek is submitted to God, therefore meekness is controlled strength.

God’s choice of a meek man to lead the Israelites shows that meekness is complementary to strength and leadership, not contradictory.


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I was reminded of this topic because I was listening to a beautiful song, by Taya (I'll post the video below) and in the lyrics is the phrase "lowly and meek yet all powerful...." Those words bring up the question, how can God Almighty be "lowly and meek" yet all powerful?

I believe it is about strength through humility and service instead of dominance or aggression. In Philippians 2:7-8, it says that Jesus “emptied himself” by taking the form of a servant. His didn't display His power through force, but through love, sacrifice, and selflessness.

Again, the world sees meekness very differently. But as some here would agree, the Kingdom of God turns most worldly ideas upside down.

Do you believe in the biblical perspective of meekness? And how do you think it's possible for God to be both "lowly and meek" yet all powerful?

Here's the song I mentioned, called Canticle. It's adapted from an old Irish prayer called Saint Patrick’s Breastplate.

A truly meek person can be very dangerous. He/she is someone who can easily cause great mayhem but chooses not to. They are in control.

Moses, a meek man, violently ended lives to protect one of his own people and as an instrument of God's wrath.
Jesus, a meek man, drove people out with a whip and flipped over their worktables with His bare hands to cleanse His Father's temple.

You do not want to drive a meek person to anger because meek is not weak.

 

[hadit]

Yeah, that's pretty much what I was saying in the OP, that biblical meekness involves being submitted to God, which means letting God lead, as opposed to self-assertiveness and self-interest.

Here are a couple good videos on this topic.....






Btw, as someone who has been on both sides and experienced life in both ways, I can definitely say with 100% certainty that things ALWAYS work out best when you let God lead. Trying to do things outside of God's will often ends up with disastrous results, I've learned that the hard way.

That is beautiful. I have used two examples when I taught adult Sunday School.

One day, I opened a paper bag, pulled out a Frisbee, and gently tossed it to the back of the room. It easily floated on its way as they do. I then pulled out a second one and told the class, "I'm going to throw this one really hard" and threw it end over end, hard. Of course, it went about 5 feet and fell to floor. When the Holy Spirit is in charge of your life, you move forward as you are designed to do. When you try to do it yourself, you flop.

The second one was something I witnessed. A group of bicyclists had stopped at an intersection in front of me, and one of them decided he didn't want to take his feet off the pedals, he would just balance his bike at a standstill. Of course, what happened but he came to a stop, teetered for a moment, then fell flat on his face. When God is in charge of your life, you keep moving and don't worry about falling because you're in balance. When you try to do it yourself, you flop.

 

[buttercup]

A truly meek person can be very dangerous. He/she is someone who can easily cause great mayhem but chooses not to. They are in control.

Moses, a meek man, violently ended lives to protect one of his own people and as an instrument of God's wrath.
Jesus, a meek man, drove people out with a whip and flipped over their worktables with His bare hands to cleanse His Father's temple.

You do not want to drive a meek person to anger because meek is not weak.

Absolutely! You know how it says in Ecclesiastes that there's a right time for everything? I think meekness has to do with doing things at the right time, which of course God knows much better than us. Like you mentioned, the same Jesus who is meek and lowly in heart showed righteous anger at the right time, when he drove people out with a whip and turned over the moneychangers' tables. So I totally agree, meek is not weak. It's doing things the right way, iyam.

 

[buttercup]

That is beautiful. I have used two examples when I taught adult Sunday School.

One day, I opened a paper bag, pulled out a Frisbee, and gently tossed it to the back of the room. It easily floated on its way as they do. I then pulled out a second one and told the class, "I'm going to throw this one really hard" and threw it end over end, hard. Of course, it went about 5 feet and fell to floor. When the Holy Spirit is in charge of your life, you move forward as you are designed to do. When you try to do it yourself, you flop.

The second one was something I witnessed. A group of bicyclists had stopped at an intersection in front of me, and one of them decided he didn't want to take his feet off the pedals, he would just balance his bike at a standstill. Of course, what happened but he came to a stop, teetered for a moment, then fell flat on his face. When God is in charge of your life, you keep moving and don't worry about falling because you're in balance. When you try to do it yourself, you flop.

I love those analogies, thank you for sharing that. It's so true!

I mean, for any skeptics out there, this is something that can be tested out. Of course, you have to surrender to God first, to test it, but if you do, you'll see that it's true.

 

[toobfreak]

I always found that verse interesting.
The meek shall INHERIT the earth.
You only INHERIT something when somebody dies...so it would seem that the non-meek all die.

The actual meaning of meekness is to be submissive, tolerant, yielding, not easily annoyed or inflamed.

 

[hadit]

I love those analogies, thank you for sharing that. It's so true!

I mean, for any skeptics out there, this is something that can be tested out. Of course, you have to surrender to God first, to test it, but if you do, you'll see that it's true.

You are so correct in that.

I also like to speak to the narrow road that Christ speaks of. Ask someone who rides a motorcycle what they like best about it and they will likely say something about the freedom of the open road. Then ask them why they take turns, change roads, and follow curves between two towns when it would be a much shorter trip to just start from where they are and go in the actual direction of the next town. It won't take long before the point is obvious. The freedom of the open road ONLY exists when we stay on the road. The same applies to the Christian life. We ARE free in Christ as long as we stay on His road. We get in trouble when we leave the road and quickly find ourselves stuck.

 

[buttercup]

You are so correct in that.

I also like to speak to the narrow road that Christ speaks of. Ask someone who rides a motorcycle what they like best about it and they will likely say something about the freedom of the open road. Then ask them why they take turns, change roads, and follow curves between two towns when it would be a much shorter trip to just start from where they are and go in the actual direction of the next town. It won't take long before the point is obvious. The freedom of the open road ONLY exists when we stay on the road. The same applies to the Christian life. We ARE free in Christ as long as we stay on His road. We get in trouble when we leave the road and quickly find ourselves stuck.

Yeah, true freedom (which is not at all what the world teaches) is an excellent topic that could be a thread of its own. I've thought about starting a thread on that topic, but I just haven't sat down to write it yet.

It's amazing when you think about how upside-down most ideas are, when you compare what the world thinks to the actual truth, which comes from the author of truth, and truth itself. Like your motorcycle example, I can definitely relate to getting stuck or lost when I drive off His road. It never fails, haha. Thanks again for your thoughts on this, I appreciate it.

 

[BreezeWood]

Yeah, that's pretty much what I was saying in the OP, that biblical meekness involves being submitted to God, which means letting God lead, as opposed to self-assertiveness and self-interest.

only in the 4th century christian bible ...

the message of the 1st century is all in the heavens are equal as jesus's message is the same no one is greater than anyone else, they are the example a simple itinerant crucified than to worship fallacies and forgeries, false commandments - apartheid religions..

 

[ding]

Meekness isn't a word you hear very often, and when you do hear it, it's often portrayed negatively. Many people associate meekness with weakness or timidity. But we can know right off the bat that meekness is not weakness, because Jesus Himself – who was God incarnate – described Himself as meek.



Obviously God is not weak, God is the very opposite of weak.

So what does meekness mean?

The first mention of the word “meek” in the Bible is found in Numbers 12:3. The verse states, “Now the man Moses was very meek, above all the men which were upon the face of the earth.” This verse highlights Moses’ humility and gentle spirit, particularly as a contrast to his siblings, Aaron and Miriam, who had spoken against him.

In Number 12, we see that in the face of insult and provocation, Moses did not respond with angry defensiveness. Instead, it was God who defended Moses, and punished Miriam. (Numbers 12:10) Moses’ response in this passage serves as an example of biblical meekness.

When there is an offense or even persecution, a meek person responds with patience and grace, and trusts in God’s justice instead of taking matters into his own hands.

Qualities like patience and self-restraint require strength. So meekness is not weakness, it is a deliberate choice to respond with humility, even when one may have the right to assert themselves. Someone who is meek is submitted to God, therefore meekness is controlled strength.

God’s choice of a meek man to lead the Israelites shows that meekness is complementary to strength and leadership, not contradictory.


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I was reminded of this topic because I was listening to a beautiful song, by Taya (I'll post the video below) and in the lyrics is the phrase "lowly and meek yet all powerful...." Those words bring up the question, how can God Almighty be "lowly and meek" yet all powerful?

I believe it is about strength through humility and service instead of dominance or aggression. In Philippians 2:7-8, it says that Jesus “emptied himself” by taking the form of a servant. His didn't display His power through force, but through love, sacrifice, and selflessness.

Again, the world sees meekness very differently. But as some here would agree, the Kingdom of God turns most worldly ideas upside down.

Do you believe in the biblical perspective of meekness? And how do you think it's possible for God to be both "lowly and meek" yet all powerful?

Here's the song I mentioned, called Canticle. It's adapted from an old Irish prayer called Saint Patrick’s Breastplate.

Meekness is doing the right thing, the right way for the right reason. It's extremely powerful.

 

[buttercup]

Meekness is doing the right thing, the right way for the right reason. It's extremely powerful.

Well said. Jesus is a perfect example of that...like I was saying earlier. He is both the lion and the lamb, and He knew the right time to stay quiet and the right time to exert His authority.

 

[kjw47]

Meekness isn't a word you hear very often, and when you do hear it, it's often portrayed negatively. Many people associate meekness with weakness or timidity. But we can know right off the bat that meekness is not weakness, because Jesus Himself – who was God incarnate – described Himself as meek.



Obviously God is not weak, God is the very opposite of weak.

So what does meekness mean?

The first mention of the word “meek” in the Bible is found in Numbers 12:3. The verse states, “Now the man Moses was very meek, above all the men which were upon the face of the earth.” This verse highlights Moses’ humility and gentle spirit, particularly as a contrast to his siblings, Aaron and Miriam, who had spoken against him.

In Number 12, we see that in the face of insult and provocation, Moses did not respond with angry defensiveness. Instead, it was God who defended Moses, and punished Miriam. (Numbers 12:10) Moses’ response in this passage serves as an example of biblical meekness.

When there is an offense or even persecution, a meek person responds with patience and grace, and trusts in God’s justice instead of taking matters into his own hands.

Qualities like patience and self-restraint require strength. So meekness is not weakness, it is a deliberate choice to respond with humility, even when one may have the right to assert themselves. Someone who is meek is submitted to God, therefore meekness is controlled strength.

God’s choice of a meek man to lead the Israelites shows that meekness is complementary to strength and leadership, not contradictory.


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I was reminded of this topic because I was listening to a beautiful song, by Taya (I'll post the video below) and in the lyrics is the phrase "lowly and meek yet all powerful...." Those words bring up the question, how can God Almighty be "lowly and meek" yet all powerful?

I believe it is about strength through humility and service instead of dominance or aggression. In Philippians 2:7-8, it says that Jesus “emptied himself” by taking the form of a servant. His didn't display His power through force, but through love, sacrifice, and selflessness.

Again, the world sees meekness very differently. But as some here would agree, the Kingdom of God turns most worldly ideas upside down.

Do you believe in the biblical perspective of meekness? And how do you think it's possible for God to be both "lowly and meek" yet all powerful?

Here's the song I mentioned, called Canticle. It's adapted from an old Irish prayer called Saint Patrick’s Breastplate.

Meek= teachable like children.

 

[BreezeWood]

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when you compare what the world thinks to the actual truth,

as false persuasions ... quotes from the desert bibles.

a deep seeded contradiction when used in the christian bible they claim as a distinction where there is non as everything is already inherent for all living beings and the garden they are born in.

the gift of life is the same for everyone - from the beginning to the end.