Try Trump at the Ballot Box, Not in Court

[Chillicothe]

The US has this old custom that before anyone is convicted of a crime, they are allowed a defense and a jury of their peers rather than the opinion of their political enemies.......

Patience, Grasshopper.
The wheels of justice grind slowly.
But they grind.

Grand Jury first.
Indictment second.
Trial third.

A slow grind, we acknowledge.
But, in time, we will see the resulting flour.
Betcha.

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it is just theater to cover for the global oligarchy's selling off American sovereignty to private interests, and a new international global order.

"global oligarchy"?
"new international global order"?
Name names. Give sources. Offer evidence.
Lest folks think the above is Q-Anon/TeaParty/MAGA/Alex Jones conspiracy jackassery.

ps....please don't tell us Mister Beale that John F. Kennedy is heading up this cabal for the "new global order".
But, if you do offer JohnJohn...well, some posters here might think you might be wrong.
But, go ahead. Argue your case for JohnJohn. Batter up, Mister B.
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It is false to say that if Trump is ultimately "destroyed" by the legal system it will be for "no good cause and for no valid basis."
There are some pretty serious charges coming at Trump from several different angles.
*Fraud and tax evasion in The Southern District of New York
*Election tampering in Georgia
*Inciting an insurrection on Jan. 6th 2020
*Conspiracy to defraud The United States in the fake elector scheme of 2020
*Espionage
*Obstruction of justice

As Rush Limbaugh use to advise...."Ditto That"
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All of his life he's been able to just buy his way out of the trouble he causes

See Rush Limbaugh, again.
Ditto, ditto.

 

[Lastamender]

"The challenge to that election still stands and is perfectly legal."

You apparently have a very loose definition of the word "legal."

ALL of the election challenges have been thoroughly investigated, audited, recounted, challenged in court(s) and subsequently thrown out for lack of merit (meaning the people charging "election fraud," including Trump's attorneys, CAN'T produce any PROOF of actual fraud).

Unfortunately I suppose it may be technically "legal" for you sore loosers to continue screaming "fraud" out there but is it what is best for our country?
Probably not.
And it is DEFINITELY not legal to encourage political violence over sour grapes like Trump did sending his bitter clingers into the U.S. Capitol to stop the peaceful transfer of power and overthrow democracy.

"People should not be punished for exercising a Constitutional right."

Who is being punished for excercising which constitutional right?

"Besides the fraud was obvious to a child but not a dishonest adult."

Either refer to my comment above.....or FINALLY provide some PROOF of fraud (2000 Mules doesn't count)....
or maybe just shut up and accept the fact that Trump LOST!

None of those things happened. Nothing was investigated. Dominion was at the AZ. and GA audit. All you really have is the word of proven liars.

 

[The Irish Ram]

Please keep your wet dream private.

If the Loser can fantasize that he won in a "Landslide!" despite all certified results, all recounts, all audits, and all court challenges, you can delude and pleasure yourself as well regardless of the reality.

It's not anything that needs dreamed up. We have their track records to compare now, and no one is better off now. Not if the eat, or drive, or pay for electric...

 

[MagicMike]

None of those things happened. Nothing was investigated. Dominion was at the AZ. and GA audit. All you really have is the word of proven liars.

Arizona Attorney General Debunks Trump Supporters’ Election Fraud Claims (Published 2022)

In an inquiry into accusations that dead voters had cast ballots, “many were very surprised to learn they were allegedly deceased,” Mark Brnovich said.

www.nytimes.com

 

[Lastamender]

Arizona Attorney General Debunks Trump Supporters’ Election Fraud Claims (Published 2022)

In an inquiry into accusations that dead voters had cast ballots, “many were very surprised to learn they were allegedly deceased,” Mark Brnovich said.

www.nytimes.com

Bullshit and the guy is a RINO. He is pushing the same lie you are.

 

[BackAgain]

Patience, Grasshopper.
The wheels of justice grind slowly.
But they grind.

Grand Jury first.
Indictment second.
Trial third.

A slow grind, we acknowledge.
But, in time, we will see the resulting flour.
Betcha.

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"global oligarchy"?
"new international global order"?
Name names. Give sources. Offer evidence.
Lest folks think the above is Q-Anon/TeaParty/MAGA/Alex Jones conspiracy jackassery.

ps....please don't tell us Mister Beale that John F. Kennedy is heading up this cabal for the "new global order".
But, if you do offer JohnJohn...well, some posters here might think you might be wrong.
But, go ahead. Argue your case for JohnJohn. Batter up, Mister B.
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As Rush Limbaugh use to advise...."Ditto That"
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See Rush Limbaugh, again.
Ditto, ditto.

Nobody is the grasshopper to the prancing preening poseur, Chilliconcrap.

And he is no sensei or master.

Chilliconcrap is just a pretentious simpleton. His mind grinds slowly, but excessively dull.

The poor dullard doesn’t even want to admit that this politicization of the FBI and the DOJ is a bigger crime than the fake allegations made about Trump.

 

[schmidlap]

We have their track records to compare now

The weird worshipers' cult leader's dismal failure to build his highly-touted, Mexican-funded "big beautiful wall," his impotence in replacing 'ObamaCare' with "something terrific that covers everybody at less cost!," his bloating the national deficit, and his raising the unemployment rate are only part of that record. His goons' attack on Congress, his threatening respectable Republican officeholders, and his fake elector scheme are now part of that "track record."

The Cry Baby lost the American electorate's vote twice, first by 2.9 million, then, after enduring him for four years, by over 7 million - in addition to his losing Republican control of the House and Senate.

Whether absconding with classified documents or pleasuring himself watching outnumbered police being mauled by his goons, he's a real peach, ain't he?

​

He's got to be his "savvy genius's biggest success.

Findings that Russia meddled to help Trump beat Clinton​

[https://www.foxnews.com/politics/findings-that-russia-meddled-to-help-trump-beat-clinton-were-accurate-and-on-point-senate-intel-panel]​

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[The Irish Ram]

One thing should determine who wins the next election. Are you better off now or then?
Sadly, tiktok will be aiding the Dems in the steal from now on...

 

[MagicMike]

Bullshit and the guy is a RINO. He is pushing the same lie you are.

Of course he is!
Lmfao!

 

[hadit]

I read that opinion piece.

For me, personally, if the evidence is such that the experienced heads at the DOJ think there is a legitimate persuasive case for demonstrating Don Trump's intent and willful disobedience of our laws......well, charge him. Indict him. Arrest him.

And, if early warning signals indicate that the RWNJ/Q-Anon/Trumper-world will cause more damage than we are willing to accept.....then Biden can pardon him.

1. Our 'rule-of-law'......our 'no-man-is-above-the-law' ethic mandates we be disciplined and firm in enforcing both against any charged lawbreaker.
2. But, he is the ex-president of the U.S. He's a 'Golden Pheasant' as Germany used to call it's bigwigs of the 1930's & '40's.......And that means, he ain't Joe-the-Plumber. So, yes. Other rules exist as sort of societal release-valves.
3. Which brings us to President Biden's pardoning power.

A pardon from Quid Pro would be a massive thorn in TRUMP!'s side. He would hate it. It's probably the second worse thing that could be done to him, the first being to ignore him.

 

[Lesh]

Trump has already been tried at the ballot box.

He lost in a landslide

 

[Independentthinker]

Why can’t we do both?

But you don't want to do both. Your side is trying to do everything they can to suppress the votes of Trump supporters by taking Trump out of the picture so that no one can vote for him.

 

[SavannahMann]

I’ve said this before. No trial of Trump will ever result in anything except a Hung Jury.

No matter the evidence. One Juror is certain to be a Fanboy. And he will not vote anything but Not Guilty.

By the same token. No matter the evidence. One Member of the Jury is certain to be a Trump hater and will vote to convict.

You can’t get a Conviction. You can’t get an acquittal. All you can get is a hung jury.

It will be a circus. And it will accomplish nothing.

It would be the McMichaels time ten million. It would be Chauvin times ten thousand.

Internet experts would pontificate about the case. As they did in both of those mentioned trials. Every Juror would be examined in insane detail. If they ever gave a like to an anti trump post on Twitter they would be biased. If they were ever imagined to be at a MAGA event. Same thing.

 

[kaz]

Of course. He has been fleecing his followers for months in preparation of doing so.

Yes, so when Trump is kneeling on the ground and you're ready to chop off his head, you'd allow him the chance to convince you to not swing. Oh, but you'd have a completely open mind, sure you would

 

[kaz]

Indeed. He should have testified under oath before the January 6 congressional committee

I like how you say "indeed" he should be allowed a defense and in the same sentence you say he shouldn't. This is the Democrat party, you're the Nazis of the third millennium.

Here's the key to a defense, it's up to Trump how to defend himself, not you.

So what country do you live in? Iran?

 

[kaz]

Patience, Grasshopper.
The wheels of justice grind slowly.
But they grind.

Grand Jury first.
Indictment second.
Trial third.

A slow grind, we acknowledge.
But, in time, we will see the resulting flour.
Betcha.

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"global oligarchy"?
"new international global order"?
Name names. Give sources. Offer evidence.
Lest folks think the above is Q-Anon/TeaParty/MAGA/Alex Jones conspiracy jackassery.

ps....please don't tell us Mister Beale that John F. Kennedy is heading up this cabal for the "new global order".
But, if you do offer JohnJohn...well, some posters here might think you might be wrong.
But, go ahead. Argue your case for JohnJohn. Batter up, Mister B.
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As Rush Limbaugh use to advise...."Ditto That"
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See Rush Limbaugh, again.
Ditto, ditto.

Oh my God, you got him this time! You got Trump! You actually got him!!!!!!

Fucking ass

 

[schmidlap]

I like how you say "indeed" he should be allowed a defense and in the same sentence you say he shouldn't.

When did I ever say he shouldn't be allowed a defense in any or all of his legal travails?

If his defense is refusing to answer questions hundreds of times to avoid incriminating himself, that is his defense.

 

[kaz]

When did I ever say he shouldn't be allowed a defense in any or all of his legal travails?

If his defense is refusing to answer questions hundreds of times to avoid incriminating himself, that is his defense.

You advocated that Trump be allowed to show up alone without representation so Democrats can scream at him like leftist reporters screamed at Kayleigh McEnany leaving the White House press room. That's your fantasy, not his defense. Stop lying, schmuck

 

[Stann]

Last week, responding to Damon Linker’s persuasive arguments about the dangers of criminally prosecuting Trump, I ventured that we might have to sacrifice justice on the altar of prudence. The column provoked a fierce backlash, and while it may seem odd to say this, I’m in sympathy with my critics, and offer these reflections in all modesty. I may be wrong. Perhaps the right path is to pursue justice “though the Heavens fall.” But we cannot pretend that there is no risk to this path. In fact, the stakes could not be higher—the stability of our society—so it’s worth considering all of the possible outcomes before barreling forward.

The prosecute-and-be-damned party believes fervently that any hesitation to hold Trump criminally liable for his crimes amounts to appeasement and cowardly submission to what Michelle Goldberg calls “the insurrectionists’ veto.” Acknowledging that some on the right are “heavily armed” and speaking “lustily of civil war,” she objects that “The far right is constantly threatening violence if it doesn’t get its way. Does anyone truly believe that giving in to its blackmail will make it less aggressive?”

It’s a great point. The very worst part about refraining from prosecuting Trump is that it would seem to be a victory for bullying and intimidation. I concede that, and it burns. When Trump riles up his mobs and then threatens to unleash them on his opponents, one’s natural reaction is unprintable (by me anyway). It is precisely when he acts like a Mafia don or a fascist that the urge to slap him down with every available weapon is strongest.

Try Trump at the Ballot Box, Not in Court - The Bulwark

Trials are too uncertain to risk the republic.

www.thebulwark.com

One can hardly imagine a greater indictment of the POT than essentially saying, "if the overwhelming evidence of Trump's guilt is not enough to secure a conviction, or even if it is, prosecution is a dangerous endeavor because it would become a circus-like spectacle. Don would take advantage of it in ways that would be damaging to the republic and cause his cult to rally behind him." IOW, The Following is too Crazy to risk it. So let the criminal go free?

The rebuttal. To Charge or Not to Charge

It's very difficult to successfully prosecute someone as devious and ruthless as trump is. He's a professional criminal. Even when he gets caught, he somehow manages to buy his way out of it, or throw someone else under the bus in his place. There was a time when men who served our nation were actual Patriots with decency and integrity. That has become a rare thing these days. It should be a requirement in order to serve.

 

[schmidlap]

You advocated that Trump be allowed to show up alone without representation ...

A falsehood.

Rather that braying on entertainment media, the blowhard can avail himself of the same legal opportunity so many Republican officeholders and Trump regime insiders had to testify under oath before the U.S. House Select Committee to Investigate the January 6th Attack on the United States Capitol.

He has and will have many such opportunities to him to exercise his rights.

The Congressional investigation is not a prosecutorial proceeding.