The Confrontation Between Trump and the Supreme Court Has Arrived

[Lesh]

It? What are you talking about?

I was dictating to the phone. He

 

[Seymour Flops]

Prove it. Prove that’s what he claimed and nothing else

You're the one putting forth the claim that the judge ruled him not to be a gang member. But you produce no evidence that the judge ruled any such thing.

You show me the evidence, and if it is real, I'll concede that the judge did make that ruling.

But, I'm not just going to take your word for it, or your interpretation of what you want the ruling to mean.

 

[wtb]

No, it would not. The law will not permit it.

The American people will not allow Trump to create concentration camps for Americans and illegals in El Salvador.

That's exactly what would happen if he returned. He'd be immediately detained and then deported. What law is it you think would stop that from happening?

 

[Lesh]

That's exactly what would happen if he returned. He'd be immediately detained and then deported. What law is it you think would stop that from happening?

What would stop it? Maybe the treatment he has endured so far

 

[struth]

I was dictating to the phone. HeW

What were you trying to say

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

You're the one putting forth the claim that the judge ruled him not to be a gang member. But you produce no evidence that the judge ruled any such thing.

You show me the evidence, and if it is real, I'll concede that the judge did make that ruling.

But, I'm not just going to take your word for it, or your interpretation of what you want the ruling to mean.

I don't have to. You have to show that he was a criminal, and I know you can't do that. It's all over the news, as you well know. For this thread, you are on ignore with me. You can't deal with reality.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

That's exactly what would happen if he returned. He'd be immediately detained and then deported. What law is it you think would stop that from happening?

He would be detained.

He then would have his lawyer began a case based on his due process.

Perhaps he would be deported. Or not.

 

[justoffal]

‘America has reached a very dangerous moment, as the Supreme Court’s indulgence of President Donald Trump’s belief in his own untrammeled authority collides with the justices’ expectation that he will abide by their decisions.

This evening, the Supreme Court upheld part of a lower-court decision ordering the Trump administration to seek to retrieve Kilmar Abrego Garcia, whom—as The Atlantic first reported—the administration has acknowledged it mistakenly dispatched to El Salvador’s notorious Centro de Confinamiento del Terrorismo, or CECOT. Abrego Garcia, who came to the United States illegally but was allowed to stay after a judge ruled that he was likely to be persecuted by gangs in his native El Salvador, would be the first person publicly known to be released from CECOT.
[…]
The fact that the order was issued without dissent was remarkable. The Roberts Court has indulged Trump at nearly every turn, first writing the anti-insurrection clause out of the Fourteenth Amendment and then foiling his federal prosecution by inventing a grant of presidential immunity with no basis in the text of the Constitution. Justice John Roberts and his colleagues have deployed a selective proceduralism to avoid directly confronting the Trump administration, one that contrasts with their alacrity in cases where they are seeking their preferred outcome. Yet the confrontation they sought to avoid has arrived nonetheless, and even the Trumpiest justices, such as Samuel Alito and Clarence Thomas, joined their colleagues in informing the Trump administration that what it had done was illegal and should be remedied.
[…]
If the administration makes an insincere effort to bring Abrego Garcia back, then those rights become the very sort of “parchment barriers” James Madison feared would be easily violated. If Trump defies the Court, there is little to restrain him from acting as an autocrat, given the supplication of Republicans in Congress.

The risks here for constitutional government are tremendous. Yet even if this case now unfolds in the ideal way, Trump’s aspirations toward unchecked power mean that the nation will never veer too far from the “path of perfect lawlessness,” at least not as long as he remains in office.’

The Confrontation Between Trump and the Supreme Court Has Arrived

The justices ordered the government to seek the return of a man whom it had wrongfully deported.

www.theatlantic.com

There’s no doubt that Trump will ignore the Court's ruling, lying that he ‘did his best’ to bring Abrego Garcia back, when in fact no good faith effort was made.

And Trump’s continued defiance of the courts will confirm the fact that America has become an authoritarian fascist state, ruled by a despot and autocrat, not the law.

Blah blah blah blah...... What a short memory you have.
I guess you don't remember how Obama treated the supreme Court.

 

[justoffal]

He would be detained.

He then would have his lawyer began a case based on his due process.

Perhaps he would be deported. Or not.

El Salvador is not going to let him go he has criminal charges against him down there from when he lived there before.
In fact I wouldn't be a bit surprised if the president of El Salvador specifically ask for this guy since his charges had to do with political activism.

 

[Lesh]

El Salvador is not going to let him go he has criminal charges against him down there from when he lived there before.
In fact I wouldn't be a bit surprised if the president of El Salvador specifically ask for this guy since his charges had to do with political activism.

None of that is true

 

[struth]

He would be detained.

He then would have his lawyer began a case based on his due process.

Perhaps he would be deported. Or not.

He had that happen in 2019 and was ordered deported due to his illegal entry

 

[Lesh]

He had that happen in 2019 and was ordered deported due to his illegal entry

Hey asshole. He appealed that ruling and was granted protection from deportation to El Salvador and given a work permit

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

El Salvador is not going to let him go he has criminal charges against him down there from when he lived there before.
In fact I wouldn't be a bit surprised if the president of El Salvador specifically ask for this guy since his charges had to do with political activism.

No, he has no charge in El Salvador. That is another MAGA lie.

 

[Seymour Flops]

I don't have to. You have to show that he was a criminal, and I know you can't do that. It's all over the news, as you well know. For this thread, you are on ignore with me. You can't deal with reality.

No. No, I really don't have to.

Your hero Killmore was in the country illegally. Now . . . he is not.

He's in his country of birth, being taken care of by his country's leader.

So long as he never returns to the U.S., he will never kill another person in the U.S.

I'm okay with that.

You?

 

[struth]

Hey asshole. He appealed that ruling and was granted protection from deportation to El Salvador and given a work permit

No he didn’t. Yes he was ordered deported anywhere by El Salvador in 2019. That’s the standing order

 

[Lesh]

No. No, I really don't have to.

Your hero Killmore was in the country illegally. Now . . . he is not.

He's in his country of birth, being taken care of by his country's leader.

So long as he never returns to the U.S., he will never kill another person in the U.S.

I'm okay with that.

You?

Garcia never killed anyone you lying asshole

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

No. No, I really don't have to.

Your hero Killmore was in the country illegally. Now . . . he is not.

He's in his country of birth, being taken care of by his country's leader.

So long as he never returns to the U.S., he will never kill another person in the U.S.

I'm okay with that.

You?

Yes, you do.

His due process was violated, and whether you disagree is immaterial.

 

[JimH52]

There is no confrontation, Trump operates unchecked.

Moat dictators do..until they meet their Waterloo.

 

[JimH52]

You’re either confused or lying. He appealed that ruling and the judge you mentioned that gave him protection from deportation to El Salvador also ruled that his claims of not being a gang member were credible. I understand now?

MAGA and lying are synonymous

 

[HikerGuy83]

‘America has reached a very dangerous moment, as the Supreme Court’s indulgence of President Donald Trump’s belief in his own untrammeled authority collides with the justices’ expectation that he will abide by their decisions.

This evening, the Supreme Court upheld part of a lower-court decision ordering the Trump administration to seek to retrieve Kilmar Abrego Garcia, whom—as The Atlantic first reported—the administration has acknowledged it mistakenly dispatched to El Salvador’s notorious Centro de Confinamiento del Terrorismo, or CECOT. Abrego Garcia, who came to the United States illegally but was allowed to stay after a judge ruled that he was likely to be persecuted by gangs in his native El Salvador, would be the first person publicly known to be released from CECOT.
[…]
The fact that the order was issued without dissent was remarkable. The Roberts Court has indulged Trump at nearly every turn, first writing the anti-insurrection clause out of the Fourteenth Amendment and then foiling his federal prosecution by inventing a grant of presidential immunity with no basis in the text of the Constitution. Justice John Roberts and his colleagues have deployed a selective proceduralism to avoid directly confronting the Trump administration, one that contrasts with their alacrity in cases where they are seeking their preferred outcome. Yet the confrontation they sought to avoid has arrived nonetheless, and even the Trumpiest justices, such as Samuel Alito and Clarence Thomas, joined their colleagues in informing the Trump administration that what it had done was illegal and should be remedied.
[…]
If the administration makes an insincere effort to bring Abrego Garcia back, then those rights become the very sort of “parchment barriers” James Madison feared would be easily violated. If Trump defies the Court, there is little to restrain him from acting as an autocrat, given the supplication of Republicans in Congress.

The risks here for constitutional government are tremendous. Yet even if this case now unfolds in the ideal way, Trump’s aspirations toward unchecked power mean that the nation will never veer too far from the “path of perfect lawlessness,” at least not as long as he remains in office.’

The Confrontation Between Trump and the Supreme Court Has Arrived

The justices ordered the government to seek the return of a man whom it had wrongfully deported.

www.theatlantic.com

There’s no doubt that Trump will ignore the Court's ruling, lying that he ‘did his best’ to bring Abrego Garcia back, when in fact no good faith effort was made.

And Trump’s continued defiance of the courts will confirm the fact that America has become an authoritarian fascist state, ruled by a despot and autocrat, not the law.