Trump's third term

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

I am beginning to doubt your military service
Stolen Valor?

You really think ALL the details of a bombing attack must be released for it to be top Secret?

Have you ever actually read a Secret Document?

Each paragraph is noted as to classification

You don’t think the time F18s leave and that cruise missiles are incoming would be Top Secret?

Nuclear information is only Secret dumbass! Operational details are not even that high. How else would our sailors and airmen know what to do? They don't have Top Secret clearances. Even most officers do not. On my cruiser, only 8 people had access to information regarding our nuclear procedures, which I can neither confirm nor deny. The supply officer has no need for that information, nor does an engineering officer.

I have provided many examples of my service record on this forum and you know damned well I can name places and events as they happened, because I was there. Got any doubts? Just ask! I can reply.

 

[M14 Shooter]

So you're saying Trump isn't a minimum of 35yoa and a natural born citizen?

12th Amendment
But no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States.

 

[task0778]

Since the twelfth amendment was ratified before the twenty-second, how do limitations of the twenty-second apply? The twenty-second seems to be saying only that the VP must be a natural-born citizen and at least 35 years old.

I'm not sure how Trump would be restricted from a term as VP.

I do not believe the language in the 22nd overrides the 12th, but in any case it'll end up in court if the GOP attempts to get Trump a 3rd term in office. I highly doubt that it will or even could happen.

 

[norwegen]

the 22nd amendment does not repeal the 12,mit amends it.
Thus, the VP-must-be-eligible requirement remains.

The 22nd Amendment amends the 12th Amendment? Where is that indicated?

 

[rightwinger]

Nuclear information is only Secret dumbass! Operational details are not even that high. How else would our sailors and airmen know what to do? They don't have Top Secret clearances. Even most officers do not. On my cruiser, only 8 people had access to information regarding our nuclear procedures, which I can neither confirm nor deny. The supply officer has no need for that information, nor does an engineering officer.

I have provided many examples of my service record on this forum and you know damned well I can name places and events as they happened, because I was there. Got any doubts? Just ask! I can reply.

OK Skipper
You are on a carrier launching an attack against a target with surface to air missiles
One of your sailors tips off a reporter that an attack just launched and that cruise missiles were set to launch

What action would be taken against that sailor?
What would happen to you if you released those details ?

 

[OKTexas]

12th Amendment
But no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States.

And, your point would be?

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[norwegen]

He could run as a VP candidate.

You may be right. The 22nd Amendment prohibits election to Presidential Office twice. This scheme would not violate that.

 

[WorldWatcher]

Neither of those scenarios are realistic, or even constitutionally plausible. FIrst, Trump can't be a VP candidate because he is not eligible to "be" president after this term. A VP has to be capable of assuming the presidency, Trump could not do that. The argument the third term Trumpers make is that the Constitution, and the amendment, deal with "elections. Not eligible to be elected, or not eligible to be a candidate. But hey, find a path to the presidency that doesn't require election, can you say Gerald Ford--well hell then, none of those damn limits apply.

Then there is the two year thing for VP's that replace a sitting president, If they serve two years or less, then they can run for re-election, twice. The Trumpsters want to turn this on its head. It is a ten year limit to them. No recognition, that this "exception" was placed there because of the complexities of replacing a president that has left office before the end of his term. It is insulting, and disrespectable to past generations.

The Speaker of the House path, OMG. I never would have thunk it. And the president and the vp just step down? Damn, can we just annoint him King and be done with it.

I called them batshyte crazy.

The Speaker route? The President and VP don't have to step down. Just have a tragic accident.

WW

 

[M14 Shooter]

The 22nd Amendment amends the 12th Amendment? Where is that indicated?

The title: 22rd Amendment
It adds conditions and restrictions to the 12th amendments procedure for the election of the President and VP.

 

[M14 Shooter]

And, your point would be?

You wanted to know why Trump cannot be VP.
Now you do.

 

[M14 Shooter]

You may be right. The 22nd Amendment prohibits election to Presidential Office twice. This scheme would not violate that.

12th Amendment:
But no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States.

 

[marvin martian]

Trump is just trolling the Dem's to drive them over the crazy cliff. ..

It's particularly funny given how loudly the left cheered when Zelensky did exactly what they claim they're afraid Trump will do.

 

[Zincwarrior]

You may be right. The 22nd Amendment prohibits election to Presidential Office twice. This scheme would not violate that.

I think this messes that up.
But no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States.
He is Constitutionally ineligible to the Office of President.
https://constitution.congress.gov/constitution/amendment-12/

 

[WorldWatcher]

12th Amendment:
But no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States.

There is a difference between being Constitutionally eligible to HOLD the office and Constitutionally eligible to be ELECTED to office.

That's the point of how cultist talk about getting Trump a 3rd term.

WW

 

[norwegen]

The title: 22rd Amendment
It adds conditions and restrictions to the 12th amendments procedure for the election of the President and VP.

Amendments amend the Constitution, not amendments to the Constitution.

Where do you read that the 22nd Amendment adds conditions and restrictions to the 12th Amendment? Where do you read that that part of the 12th Amendment is no longer in effect?

 

[WorldWatcher]

I think this messes that up.
But no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States.
He is Constitutionally ineligible to the Office of President.
https://constitution.congress.gov/constitution/amendment-12/

No, he can't be ELECTED to office for a 3rd term. Not that he can't assume the office.

That's their logic.

WW

 

[norwegen]

12th Amendment:
But no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States.

Correct. No who isn't at least 35 years old, a citizen, and a resident for at least 14 years is ineligible for office of VP.

 

[norwegen]

I think this messes that up.
But no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States.
He is Constitutionally ineligible to the Office of President.
https://constitution.congress.gov/constitution/amendment-12/

Yes, that's what you think.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Amendments amend the Constitution, not amendments to the Constitution.

Amendment to the constitution become part of the constitution
"...shall be valid to all intents and purposes, as part of this Constitution..."

Where do you read that the 22nd Amendment adds conditions and restrictions to the 12th Amendment?

it places additional constitutional limits on who can take office.
"No person shall be elected.."

Where do you read that that part of the 12th Amendment is no longer in effect?

As stated - the 22rd does not repeal the 12th it modifies it.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Yes, that's what you think.

That's the actual text from the document.