Trump's lawyers now admit Trump kept classified Presidential records in his home.

[AntonToo]

Once fascism has a foot in the door, all citizens can claim to be above the law.

Did you think that those who murdered the Jews weren't above the law?

Hitler had unlimited excutive power since 1933, whatever he ordered WAS the German law. He ordered systemic extermination of the Jews and it was the law.

There is no similarity to our justice system.

 

[AntonToo]

Is having classified material in your home illegal or not? They've known Trump has had classified documents for a year a a half. Didn't bother them before.

What do you mean "didn't bother them before"??? National Archives repeatedly attempted to recover documents, knew that some were missing and reported to DOJ findings of classified documents in the partial return.

Additionally DOJ recieved witness tip-off that even though Trump's lawyers officialy signed affadavit that everything was returned, there were in fact classified presidential records still at Mar-A-Lago.

At that point any gray area of ex-president taking some time to file everything correctly was gone.

DOJ filed their evidence with the court and was granted a search warrant.

Not sure what you find objectionable here.

 

[Donald H]

Not sure hat you are saying.
He ordered systemic extermination of the Jews and it was the law.

You're making up your own history.

There is no similarity to our justice system.

Quote the law that doesn't exist and you'll prove that there is no similarity in America's justice system.

The point is my friend: There were no laws that could have effectively prevented the murder of the Jews in Germany and there are insufficient laws that can stop the murder by police of black men in America.

Sometimes, but seldom, are police held accountable, as was Chauvin.

 

[Canon Shooter]

So again.....your defense is as it always is with you cucks -- but but but Hillary did it..
So again, either way, you look like idiots...


By the way, why is Hillary so powerful that she continuously has morons like you invoking her name as a justification for all things Trump?? Is it a cuck thing?
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Why is that retarded dipshits like you hate to be reminded of your hypocrisy?

 

[Donald H]

What do you mean "didn't bother them before"??? National Archives repeatedly attempted to recover documents, knew that some were missing and reported to DOJ findings of classified documents in the partial return.

Additionally DOJ recieved witness tip-off that even though Trump's lawyers officialy signed affadavit that everything was returned, there were in fact classified presidential records still at Mar-A-Lago.

At that point any gray area of ex-president taking some time to file everything correctly was gone.

DOJ filed their evidence with the court and was granted a search warrant.

Not sure what you find objectionable here.

Do you see that you're banging your head against a brick wall when you try to argue using obvious facts?

And do you understand that their facts are based on crowd mentality and no amount of logic can change their minds?

 

[Canon Shooter]

But not in this case, as the emails Hillary had weren’t of nearly the import of the clearly marked sensitive documents Trump took. Hillary’s server would also have had anti-hacking software, which would be unobtainable for boxes stored in a basement.

None of that matters. There are no degrees of severity when it comes to handling classified material. Mishandling a document marked "confidential" is equal to the offense of mishandling material marked "top secret".

As for the "anti-hacking software', I sincerely hope you're not stupid enough to believe that such software is bullet proof...

 

[MarcATL]

You mean Hillary Clinton you were saying belongs in jail for mishadling some classfied emails?

You can certianly help it with facts:

Clinton was a not a president subject to Presidential Records Act.
Clinton used LEGAL private email server to conduct work during her tenure. (Unauthorized by department, does not mean illegal)
Clinton worked with NA at the conclusion of her term and turned in all records to their satisfaction.
Clinton ordered all emails older than 60 days to be erased from her personal server.

Clinton WAS INVESTIGATED and complied with the investigation that ultimately declined prosecution. Clinton appologized for mishandling some classified emails through her personal email.

This is very different from Trump, who is subject to PRA, REFUSING to hand over hard-copy documents to NA and blatantly lying in official filings about keeping them at his home.

Powerful!

 

[Independentthinker]

What do you mean "didn't bother them before"??? National Archives repeatedly attempted to recover documents, knew that some were missing and reported to DOJ findings of classified documents in the partial return.

Additionally DOJ recieved witness tip-off that even though Trump's lawyers officialy signed affadavit that everything was returned, there were in fact classified presidential records still at Mar-A-Lago.

At that point any gray area of ex-president taking some time to file everything correctly was gone.

DOJ filed their evidence with the court and was granted a search warrant.

Not sure what you find objectionable here.

Either it is illegal to have these documents or it is not. If it is then they should have raided his home and arrested him over a year ago. What I object to is a DOJ who is NOT fair and unbiased, but an arm of the Democratic party. When Democrats attacked Garland for not doing enough to get Trump, he fell in line and followed their orders, raiding Trump's home.

 

[konradv]

None of that matters. There are no degrees of severity when it comes to handling classified material. Mishandling a document marked "confidential" is equal to the offense of mishandling material marked "top secret".

As for the "anti-hacking software', I sincerely hope you're not stupid enough to believe that such software is bullet proof...

You’re not a lawyer are you? I’m not either, but the claim that there are no degrees of severity is ludicrous. If that were true, documents wouldn’t be given different classifications depending on sensitivity.

 

[konradv]

Either it is illegal to have these documents or it is not. If it is then they should have raided his home and arrested him over a year ago. What I object to is a DOJ who is NOT fair and unbiased, but an arm of the Democratic party. When Democrats attacked Garland for not doing enough to get Trump, he fell in line and followed their orders, raiding Trump's home.

No, the raid happened because Trump lied about what and how much he had and refused repeated requests for more.

 

[Independentthinker]

No, the raid happened because Trump lied about what and how much he had and refused repeated requests for more.

No, the raid happened because the left attacked Garland for not doing enough to get Trump and then soon after he raided Trump's home.

 

[BackAgain]

It's not a crime to keep classifed records at home and refuse to turn over presidential records to National Archives?

Since when?

The lawyers didn’t concede that he had any still classified material at Mar A Lago, first of all.

What they said was essentially that even if the former President did still have any classified documents, that’s not a national security concern at all. And of course, that’s true.

The documents as per Trump himself and Lash Patel had been declassified anyway.

And simple possession of other documents (yes, the property of the United States) is not a crime since the PRA is still not a criminal statute.

Take two half’s of a burger bun, insert nothing in between them and then throw away the buns. No pickles and no special sauce. No nothing.

 

[konradv]

No, the raid happened because the left attacked Garland for not doing enough to get Trump and then soon after he raided Trump's home.

FAKE NEWS!!!

 

[Canon Shooter]

No no, it's not another way. You've conflated departmental authorizations and questions of legality.

I'm simply discussing the legality of maintaining classified documents in a private residence...

I'm not an idiot for rejecting your false insinuation that the server was inherently illegal.

No, you're an idiot for making up nonsense like you just did here.

Please cite the relevant directive which states that maintaining a private server in the home for the purposes of maintaining official government documents is legal...

It was legal as far as un-classified government bussiness goes.

Damn shame she had far more than unclassified documents, huh?

Investigation found that Clinton did in fact improperly handle some classified emails through that personal server, but coudn't establish mens rea (intent).

That's because James Comey didn't want to end up a suicide victim.

And since when is "intent" required to convict someone of a crime? People are convicted and sentenced to prison all the time without a finding of "intent"...

Trump's intent to keep classified records in his home that he could not legally keep is well established here. His lawyers have submitted an affidavit that Trump has handed over all classied documents, he obviously hasn't and they are now suspects/witnesses to potential crimes including obstruction of justice.

What happens from here on out should be based on precedent, and the most glaring example we have for a precedent is Hillary Clinton...

 

[struth]

In a new filing with the court Trump Trump's lawyers have just conceeded the obvious and moved on to a very novel defense.

"The purported justification for the initiation of this criminal probe was the alleged discovery of sensitive information contained within the 15 boxes of Presidential records....Simply put, the notion that Presidential records would contain sensitive information should have never been cause for alarm," Trump's attorneys said

Trump team says sensitive info ‘should have never been cause for alarm’ in latest filing

Former President Trump’s legal team is arguing that the sensitive information contained in classified documents recovered from his Florida home “should have never been cause for alarm” in its lates…

thehill.com

So lets see what we are down to:

Documents were already turned over to NA in January
Illegall raid
Search conducted improperly
Classified Documents were planted
Documents were already desclassified
Trump kept classified presidential records at home....but it's ok.

So there you have it, it's ok for Trump to ignore laws on classified document handling and presidential records. Thats all the defense they have left.

Um...your headline says they admitted there was "classified" material.....but then you quote them saying sensitive material.....that's nto the same thing

Why did you lie in your headline?

 

[Marener]

What they said was essentially that even if the former President did still have any classified documents, that’s not a national security concern at all. And of course, that’s true.

Incredibly untrue. Classified information is held in custody of the government. If it’s classified information outside of their custody, it’s a national security concern.

 

[Independentthinker]

FAKE NEWS!!!

LOL. So, you deny that Democrats were attacking Garland for not doing enough to get Trump and then shortly afterward, Trump's home was raided?

 

[struth]

FAKE NEWS!!!

Actually that's totally correct. Xiden was furious that Garland hadn't gone after Trump on trumped up Jan 6th charges.

Biden privately said Trump should be prosecuted for January 6 riot and is frustrated with AG Garland for not taking 'decisive action': report

Biden reportedly told allies that Trump should be prosecuted in relation to the riot and called him a "threat to democracy," per The New York Times.

news.yahoo.com

Since, there was never any legal justification to do that, Garland had to come up with something.

 

[Lastamender]

In a new filing with the court Trump Trump's lawyers have just conceeded the obvious and moved on to a very novel defense.

"The purported justification for the initiation of this criminal probe was the alleged discovery of sensitive information contained within the 15 boxes of Presidential records....Simply put, the notion that Presidential records would contain sensitive information should have never been cause for alarm," Trump's attorneys said

Trump team says sensitive info ‘should have never been cause for alarm’ in latest filing

Former President Trump’s legal team is arguing that the sensitive information contained in classified documents recovered from his Florida home “should have never been cause for alarm” in its lates…

thehill.com

So lets see what we are down to:

Documents were already turned over to NA in January
Illegall raid
Search conducted improperly
Classified Documents were planted
Documents were already desclassified
Trump kept classified presidential records at home....but it's ok.

So there you have it, it's ok for Trump to ignore laws on classified document handling and presidential records. Thats all the defense they have left.

So it is OK to have Comey, McCabe, Brennan, Clapper and Fauci not charged or indicted for lying to Congress. Do not say anything about ignoring the law. It is being ignored in the on going, no results, persecution of Trump.

You are a lying brainwashed hypocrite.

 

[Lastamender]

In a new filing with the court Trump Trump's lawyers have just conceeded the obvious and moved on to a very novel defense.

"The purported justification for the initiation of this criminal probe was the alleged discovery of sensitive information contained within the 15 boxes of Presidential records....Simply put, the notion that Presidential records would contain sensitive information should have never been cause for alarm," Trump's attorneys said

Trump team says sensitive info ‘should have never been cause for alarm’ in latest filing

Former President Trump’s legal team is arguing that the sensitive information contained in classified documents recovered from his Florida home “should have never been cause for alarm” in its lates…

thehill.com

So lets see what we are down to:

Documents were already turned over to NA in January
Illegall raid
Search conducted improperly
Classified Documents were planted
Documents were already desclassified
Trump kept classified presidential records at home....but it's ok.

So there you have it, it's ok for Trump to ignore laws on classified document handling and presidential records. Thats all the defense they have left.

It is OK. He is a former president.