Trump Won't Compel Corporations To Produce Medical Supplies Because...Conservatism

[DigitalDrifter]

With every passing hour of this pandemic, the shortage of medical equipment—as hospitals prepare for a massive influx of sick Americans—becomes more acute, and the need for such equipment and supplies becomes more dire. The Defense Protection Act (DPA), passed in 1950, grants a president extraordinary powers to order private industry to respond, on behalf of the nation, to an urgent public need, vital to the defense and preservation of the country.

But we really are not “all in this together.” Americans are “all in this” with a Hobbesian fantasy called “conservatism,” which has reared its ugly head at the precisely the worst moment possible in American history. In a crisis environment which literally threatens the lives of hundreds of thousands of Americans, the extraordinary measures we should be taking to ramp up production of medical supplies would seem self-evident—except to that species of American blinded by a political ideology that abhors the very idea of government actually helping its people.

Trump administration won't compel corporations to produce medical supplies—because of 'conservatism'

Hobbesian Fantasy. Yep, that sums it up perfectly.

Well looks like you got your ass handed to you !

 

[Cellblock2429]

Private industry is responding. Of course they are, there's money to be made, and lots of it right now.

The problem is that factories don't just turn on a dime. Equipment needs to be ordered, installed, staff trained on usage etc.

This takes time.

Order a cnc machine, ok. 1-2 weeks to get it from port to the floor, another day to a week to install it, based on complexity. More time to train staff. You're looking at a couple weeks to month.

For molded products, it's similar execept molds need to be made as well.

And all of that assumes the bidding process is done and PO'S are in hand.

This does not, cannot, happen overnight. Add to that the simple fact that we've offshored a lot of that and we are looking at a shortage of facilities and, more importantly, skilled people, which was already a major problem for manufacturing before this virus showed up.

/—-/ I know you’re right, but it seems small business who are already in the industry to make hand lotion can switch to sanitizer. If the can’t secure the pump bottles, just fill 12oz standard bottles with a simple label. The gloves and masks are more complex but doable on a smaller scale to start filling the pipeline. Our local mom & pop pharmacy mixes their own sanitizer and sells it OTC.

 

[JustAGuy1]

With every passing hour of this pandemic, the shortage of medical equipment—as hospitals prepare for a massive influx of sick Americans—becomes more acute, and the need for such equipment and supplies becomes more dire. The Defense Protection Act (DPA), passed in 1950, grants a president extraordinary powers to order private industry to respond, on behalf of the nation, to an urgent public need, vital to the defense and preservation of the country.

But we really are not “all in this together.” Americans are “all in this” with a Hobbesian fantasy called “conservatism,” which has reared its ugly head at the precisely the worst moment possible in American history. In a crisis environment which literally threatens the lives of hundreds of thousands of Americans, the extraordinary measures we should be taking to ramp up production of medical supplies would seem self-evident—except to that species of American blinded by a political ideology that abhors the very idea of government actually helping its people.

Trump administration won't compel corporations to produce medical supplies—because of 'conservatism'

Hobbesian Fantasy. Yep, that sums it up perfectly.

Well looks like you got your ass handed to you !

It didn't go quite as he had hoped.

 

[Nostra]

With every passing hour of this pandemic, the shortage of medical equipment—as hospitals prepare for a massive influx of sick Americans—becomes more acute, and the need for such equipment and supplies becomes more dire. The Defense Protection Act (DPA), passed in 1950, grants a president extraordinary powers to order private industry to respond, on behalf of the nation, to an urgent public need, vital to the defense and preservation of the country.

But we really are not “all in this together.” Americans are “all in this” with a Hobbesian fantasy called “conservatism,” which has reared its ugly head at the precisely the worst moment possible in American history. In a crisis environment which literally threatens the lives of hundreds of thousands of Americans, the extraordinary measures we should be taking to ramp up production of medical supplies would seem self-evident—except to that species of American blinded by a political ideology that abhors the very idea of government actually helping its people.

Trump administration won't compel corporations to produce medical supplies—because of 'conservatism'

Hobbesian Fantasy. Yep, that sums it up perfectly.

Dimsocialists the past 4 years: 'TRUMP IS AN AUTHORITARIAN HITLER WHO WANTS TO TAKE OVER THE COUNTRY!!!!!!!!!!!!"

Dimsocialists today: 'WHY ISN'T TRUMP AN AUTHORITARIAN HITLER WHO WANTS TO TAKE OVER THE COUNTRY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

With every passing hour of this pandemic, the shortage of medical equipment—as hospitals prepare for a massive influx of sick Americans—becomes more acute, and the need for such equipment and supplies becomes more dire. The Defense Protection Act (DPA), passed in 1950, grants a president extraordinary powers to order private industry to respond, on behalf of the nation, to an urgent public need, vital to the defense and preservation of the country.

But we really are not “all in this together.” Americans are “all in this” with a Hobbesian fantasy called “conservatism,” which has reared its ugly head at the precisely the worst moment possible in American history. In a crisis environment which literally threatens the lives of hundreds of thousands of Americans, the extraordinary measures we should be taking to ramp up production of medical supplies would seem self-evident—except to that species of American blinded by a political ideology that abhors the very idea of government actually helping its people.

Trump administration won't compel corporations to produce medical supplies—because of 'conservatism'

Hobbesian Fantasy. Yep, that sums it up perfectly.

FUCK "all in this together" bullshit. we are not, nor have we ever been in this together except when it comes to a common monetary system and national defense. Kid yourself not..

"Society" is nothing more than a truce between individuals who are competing for the same resources and opportunities. Otherwise, we are at war with each other.

We are not all in this together. Stop with the foolish, false, collectivism bullshit.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Trump Won't Compel Corporations To Produce Medical Supplies Because...

The 13th Amendment.

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[berg80]

Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.) urged President Donald Trump on Sunday to order the emergency production of medical supplies, saying his reluctance to do so would “cost lives” as the New York medical system becomes overwhelmed.

“The fact that the president has not really invoked the Defense Production Act for the purpose … of emergency manufactur[ing] is going to cost lives,” Ocasio-Cortez said on “State of the Union“ on CNN.

“We’re thankful to anyone who’s pitching in on this effort, but we are nowhere near the beds and the capacity that we need in this country,” Ocasio-Cortez added.

“We’re hearing it every step of the way from this administration. First we were hearing it was a hoax. Then we were hearing that everything was fine. Then we were hearing that the fundamentals of the economy was OK until the crash comes. And we cannot wait until people start really dying in large numbers to start production.“

She also urged the quick passage of an “emergency relief package” targeted at individuals rather than corporations.

AOC: Trump ‘is going to cost lives’ without emergency manufacturing order

 

[bripat9643]

Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.) urged President Donald Trump on Sunday to order the emergency production of medical supplies, saying his reluctance to do so would “cost lives” as the New York medical system becomes overwhelmed.

“The fact that the president has not really invoked the Defense Production Act for the purpose … of emergency manufactur[ing] is going to cost lives,” Ocasio-Cortez said on “State of the Union“ on CNN.

“We’re thankful to anyone who’s pitching in on this effort, but we are nowhere near the beds and the capacity that we need in this country,” Ocasio-Cortez added.

“We’re hearing it every step of the way from this administration. First we were hearing it was a hoax. Then we were hearing that everything was fine. Then we were hearing that the fundamentals of the economy was OK until the crash comes. And we cannot wait until people start really dying in large numbers to start production.“

She also urged the quick passage of an “emergency relief package” targeted at individuals rather than corporations.

AOC: Trump ‘is going to cost lives’ without emergency manufacturing order

Only a TDS moron is stupid enough to believe that the President can just snap his fingers and make production instantaneously increase to whatever level he would like.

 

[Nostra]

Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.) urged President Donald Trump on Sunday to order the emergency production of medical supplies, saying his reluctance to do so would “cost lives” as the New York medical system becomes overwhelmed.

“The fact that the president has not really invoked the Defense Production Act for the purpose … of emergency manufactur[ing] is going to cost lives,” Ocasio-Cortez said on “State of the Union“ on CNN.

“We’re thankful to anyone who’s pitching in on this effort, but we are nowhere near the beds and the capacity that we need in this country,” Ocasio-Cortez added.

“We’re hearing it every step of the way from this administration. First we were hearing it was a hoax. Then we were hearing that everything was fine. Then we were hearing that the fundamentals of the economy was OK until the crash comes. And we cannot wait until people start really dying in large numbers to start production.“

She also urged the quick passage of an “emergency relief package” targeted at individuals rather than corporations.

AOC: Trump ‘is going to cost lives’ without emergency manufacturing order

Who cares what that blithering idiot says?

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Companies are voluntarily coming forward with increased production. If Trump were to invoke the Defense Production Act Democrats would call him Hitler for forcing companies to alter production and call an emergency session to repeal the act before Trump could do any more damage.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.) urged President Donald Trump on Sunday to order the emergency production of medical supplies, saying his reluctance to do so would “cost lives” as the New York medical system becomes overwhelmed.

“The fact that the president has not really invoked the Defense Production Act for the purpose … of emergency manufactur[ing] is going to cost lives,” Ocasio-Cortez said on “State of the Union“ on CNN.

“We’re thankful to anyone who’s pitching in on this effort, but we are nowhere near the beds and the capacity that we need in this country,” Ocasio-Cortez added.

“We’re hearing it every step of the way from this administration. First we were hearing it was a hoax. Then we were hearing that everything was fine. Then we were hearing that the fundamentals of the economy was OK until the crash comes. And we cannot wait until people start really dying in large numbers to start production.“

She also urged the quick passage of an “emergency relief package” targeted at individuals rather than corporations.

AOC: Trump ‘is going to cost lives’ without emergency manufacturing order

Just some advice here: when you need to bring AOC to backup your assertion, you are in big trouble pal.

 

[regent]

America must make it worth the time for companies to produce medical supplies. This is the time for corporations to make it big; no war, only a bug.

 

[DigitalDrifter]

"but we are nowhere near the beds and the capacity that we need in this country,”

So now Trump is to blame that there's not enough hospital beds, perfect.

 

[Cellblock2429]

"but we are nowhere near the beds and the capacity that we need in this country,”

So now Trump is to blame that there's not enough hospital beds, perfect.

/——/ NY State cut back on the number of beds to save money back in 2009. Now who was President back then?

 

[j-mac]

Oh for Christ sake! You do realize that these corporations like GM gearing to make ventilators is just an example of why America will fare better than the rest of the world in this.

But.........the failure to place orders for equipment ahead of the inevitable need means we are running out. In fact, we are in the same boat as many other unprepared countries around the world.

Short-term thinking plagues Trump’s coronavirus response
Short-term thinking plagues Trump’s coronavirus response

After months of minimizing the threat to the United States, President Donald Trump jumped feet-first into the coronavirus fight this week with vows of quick fixes to the testing problem, claims about potential cures, and efforts to rope in agencies that had inexplicably been excluded, like FEMA.

The show of action played well in the White House briefing room and with the public, but has had a different impact behind the scenes. Health-agency officials and outside advisers to the administration, speaking on the condition of anonymity, described a chaotic situation in which leaders rushed to address presidential requests that sometimes seem to come on a whim while losing focus on longer-term challenges.

Maybe he should have a crystal ball eh? If there was such a concern about virus' contagens, then why didn't previous administrations act? See, asking stupid questions like that is easy....Not intelligent.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

America must make it worth the time for companies to produce medical supplies. This is the time for corporations to make it big; no war, only a bug.

I think that's what they are doing which means there is no reason for Trump to use the defensive protection act.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.) urged President Donald Trump on Sunday to order the emergency production of medical supplies, saying his reluctance to do so would “cost lives” as the New York medical system becomes overwhelmed.

“The fact that the president has not really invoked the Defense Production Act for the purpose … of emergency manufactur[ing] is going to cost lives,” Ocasio-Cortez said on “State of the Union“ on CNN.

“We’re thankful to anyone who’s pitching in on this effort, but we are nowhere near the beds and the capacity that we need in this country,” Ocasio-Cortez added.

“We’re hearing it every step of the way from this administration. First we were hearing it was a hoax. Then we were hearing that everything was fine. Then we were hearing that the fundamentals of the economy was OK until the crash comes. And we cannot wait until people start really dying in large numbers to start production.“

She also urged the quick passage of an “emergency relief package” targeted at individuals rather than corporations.

AOC: Trump ‘is going to cost lives’ without emergency manufacturing order

Fuck that idiot space cadet whore.

.

 

[Fueri]

Private industry is responding. Of course they are, there's money to be made, and lots of it right now.

The problem is that factories don't just turn on a dime. Equipment needs to be ordered, installed, staff trained on usage etc.

This takes time.

Order a cnc machine, ok. 1-2 weeks to get it from port to the floor, another day to a week to install it, based on complexity. More time to train staff. You're looking at a couple weeks to month.

For molded products, it's similar execept molds need to be made as well.

And all of that assumes the bidding process is done and PO'S are in hand.

This does not, cannot, happen overnight. Add to that the simple fact that we've offshored a lot of that and we are looking at a shortage of facilities and, more importantly, skilled people, which was already a major problem for manufacturing before this virus showed up.

/—-/ I know you’re right, but it seems small business who are already in the industry to make hand lotion can switch to sanitizer. If the can’t secure the pump bottles, just fill 12oz standard bottles with a simple label. The gloves and masks are more complex but doable on a smaller scale to start filling the pipeline. Our local mom & pop pharmacy mixes their own sanitizer and sells it OTC.

It seems that large corporations are gearing up to do exacty this. Tito's and Anheuser Busch are going to start pumping this out. Score one for the good guys....

Anheuser-Busch, Tito's Vodka making hand sanitizer at distilleries to help fight coronavirus pandemic

One of the country's biggest producers of beer is pitching in to keep us clean during the coronavirus pandemic.

abc11.com

 

[Thinker101]

With every passing hour of this pandemic, the shortage of medical equipment—as hospitals prepare for a massive influx of sick Americans—becomes more acute, and the need for such equipment and supplies becomes more dire. The Defense Protection Act (DPA), passed in 1950, grants a president extraordinary powers to order private industry to respond, on behalf of the nation, to an urgent public need, vital to the defense and preservation of the country.

But we really are not “all in this together.” Americans are “all in this” with a Hobbesian fantasy called “conservatism,” which has reared its ugly head at the precisely the worst moment possible in American history. In a crisis environment which literally threatens the lives of hundreds of thousands of Americans, the extraordinary measures we should be taking to ramp up production of medical supplies would seem self-evident—except to that species of American blinded by a political ideology that abhors the very idea of government actually helping its people.

Trump administration won't compel corporations to produce medical supplies—because of 'conservatism'

Hobbesian Fantasy. Yep, that sums it up perfectly.

Hopefully, by now, others have posted enough evidence to convince you fricken whiners that you post nothing but BS.

 

[bendog]

It would be interesting to me to have a non-Trump source just as to how many masks, face shield, gowns and gloves are being produced NOW. It would not take the Defense Production Act for the Fed Govt to say it will guarantee purchase of X number whatever at a price not to exceed Y, and I don't see Trump even willing to do that.