Trump Won't Compel Corporations To Produce Medical Supplies Because...Conservatism

[depotoo]

Private industry is responding. Of course they are, there's money to be made, and lots of it right now.

The problem is that factories don't just turn on a dime. Equipment needs to be ordered, installed, staff trained on usage etc.

This takes time.

Order a cnc machine, ok. 1-2 weeks to get it from port to the floor, another day to a week to install it, based on complexity. More time to train staff. You're looking at a couple weeks to month.

For molded products, it's similar execept molds need to be made as well.

And all of that assumes the bidding process is done and PO'S are in hand.

This does not, cannot, happen overnight. Add to that the simple fact that we've offshored a lot of that and we are looking at a shortage of facilities and, more importantly, skilled people, which was already a major problem for manufacturing before this virus showed up.

Some are even donating supplies.

And haven’t you heard about the small distilleries that are now making hand sanitizer and giving it way as well?
Distilleries are making hand sanitizer and giving it out for free to combat coronavirus

It is happening all over the country...and all without governmental compulsion.

Why of course not, according to you, even though many report they are working with the administration.

Working "with" and working "for" are two very different things.

We do not need the government to tell us to do the right thing

When the administration asked, they responded to the need. Geeesh. You are so tds!

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Amid shortage, Pence says millions of masks available 'now' for hospitals to buy

"Honeywell alone is repurposing a factory that was destined for Mexico to produce another 120 million masks per year. 3M is increasing output to 420 million masks per year. We really -- we have put a priority, at the president's direction, on making sure those that are providing health care services to America have the protection to keep themselves and their families safe," Pence said.

Your mistake is in assuming they are doing this because of Trump.

Your mistake is in assuming many aren’t.

Well, I am not a big government statist so I assume that they are doing things despite the government, not because of it.

3M and Honywell stand to make a shit ton of money off of their moves you listed above, and that is not a bad thing.

The demand for mask is not going to die down as hospitals are now going to start stocking more than before.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Private industry is responding. Of course they are, there's money to be made, and lots of it right now.

The problem is that factories don't just turn on a dime. Equipment needs to be ordered, installed, staff trained on usage etc.

This takes time.

Order a cnc machine, ok. 1-2 weeks to get it from port to the floor, another day to a week to install it, based on complexity. More time to train staff. You're looking at a couple weeks to month.

For molded products, it's similar execept molds need to be made as well.

And all of that assumes the bidding process is done and PO'S are in hand.

This does not, cannot, happen overnight. Add to that the simple fact that we've offshored a lot of that and we are looking at a shortage of facilities and, more importantly, skilled people, which was already a major problem for manufacturing before this virus showed up.

Some are even donating supplies.

And haven’t you heard about the small distilleries that are now making hand sanitizer and giving it way as well?
Distilleries are making hand sanitizer and giving it out for free to combat coronavirus

It is happening all over the country...and all without governmental compulsion.

Why of course not, according to you, even though many report they are working with the administration.

Working "with" and working "for" are two very different things.

We do not need the government to tell us to do the right thing

When the administration asked, they responded to the need. Geeesh. You are so tds!

So you think the only reason they did it was because the government asked them to? Do you think that lowly of our population?

Before being forced to close, local restaurants were offering free lunches to kids once the schools closed, not because the government made them, but because it was the right thing to do

 

[Mac-7]

With every passing hour of this pandemic, the shortage of medical equipment—as hospitals prepare for a massive influx of sick Americans—becomes more acute, and the need for such equipment and supplies becomes more dire. The Defense Protection Act (DPA), passed in 1950, grants a president extraordinary powers to order private industry to respond, on behalf of the nation, to an urgent public need, vital to the defense and preservation of the country.

But we really are not “all in this together.” Americans are “all in this” with a Hobbesian fantasy called “conservatism,” which has reared its ugly head at the precisely the worst moment possible in American history. In a crisis environment which literally threatens the lives of hundreds of thousands of Americans, the extraordinary measures we should be taking to ramp up production of medical supplies would seem self-evident—except to that species of American blinded by a political ideology that abhors the very idea of government actually helping its people.

Trump administration won't compel corporations to produce medical supplies—because of 'conservatism'

Hobbesian Fantasy. Yep, that sums it up perfectly.

I wish globalist libs were this nationalist when they sneered for 3 years at the trump attempts to bring factory production back to America

but Daily Koz only wants to flog the companies that have not abandoned America yet

 

[Bruce_T_Laney]

OMG, the "dailykos"!! A pos rag that hates Trump and conservatism. Nice bullshit link.

The fact is that the president cannot force-feed corporations to do things they are not geared to do.
Too many US factories (~12,000) were moved overseas such that the supply line to the US is not simple or nimble.
Corporations need to advise the WH what they are capable of producing.
Don't forget, everything needs raw materials and/or fabricated components.

These idiots do not care about reality at all...

They believe a President is like a Wizard and can wave his magic wand without knowing every President has been the Wizard of Oz with no real magical powers to fix things...

State Governments can do more on their State level and actually be more efficient on this but the left will tell us this is a Federal matter.

Also as you stated it take time to convert the production over because you need clean rooms to make this equipment in and not every factory is fitted with what is needed for production...

Oh, what am I saying Trump has a magic wand so let just wave that little thing, wait it only works on women wanting money...

 

[depotoo]

Some are even donating supplies.

And haven’t you heard about the small distilleries that are now making hand sanitizer and giving it way as well?
Distilleries are making hand sanitizer and giving it out for free to combat coronavirus

It is happening all over the country...and all without governmental compulsion.

Why of course not, according to you, even though many report they are working with the administration.

Working "with" and working "for" are two very different things.

We do not need the government to tell us to do the right thing

When the administration asked, they responded to the need. Geeesh. You are so tds!

So you think the only reason they did it was because the government asked them to? Do you think that lowly of our population?

Before being forced to close, local restaurants were offering free lunches to kids once the schools closed, not because the government made them, but because it was the right thing to do

Do you really think hanes is planning on going into the mask industry when there are enough again?
Do you think the demand for respirators will be high enough after the pandemic for gm to shuttle making parts or cars?
GM partners with medical company to make ventilators during coronavirus pandemic
General Motors is partnering with a medical device company to make ventilators during the COVID-19 crisis, according to a joint statement on GM’s website.

GM and Ventec Life Systems are collaborating so the latter can increase production of its respiratory care products in the ongoing effort to stymie the spread of coronavirus.

Also involved is StopTheSpread.org, the country’s coordinated private sector response to the pandemic.


Get in touch
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[ReinyDays]

Moving forward ... are these items something we should stockpile ... like we do with essential war materials? ...

If these masks actually work, then it makes sense to keep a bubble pack in with your emergency kit ... if you have an emergency kit ...

 

[Oddball]

Peter Navarro: Coronavirus – How businesses are stepping up, collaborating with Trump administration

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General Motors Will Help Manufacture Hospital Ventilators to Fight Coronavirus | The Motley Fool

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IOW, there's no need to force anyone to do anything...That enough people will do the right thing when things get rough to carry us through.

And there's the rub.

The coin of the realm for the nutbars at Daily Kooks and their devoted little paid toady OP is the proactive use of force....Coercion by The State is their go-to answer for nearly everything.

But it's another tree-fiddy in the pocket of the propagandist stooge OP,

 

[Harpy Eagle]

It is happening all over the country...and all without governmental compulsion.

Why of course not, according to you, even though many report they are working with the administration.

Working "with" and working "for" are two very different things.

We do not need the government to tell us to do the right thing

When the administration asked, they responded to the need. Geeesh. You are so tds!

So you think the only reason they did it was because the government asked them to? Do you think that lowly of our population?

Before being forced to close, local restaurants were offering free lunches to kids once the schools closed, not because the government made them, but because it was the right thing to do

Do you really think hanes is planning on going into the mask industry when there are enough again?
Do you think the demand for respirators will be high enough after the pandemic for gm to shuttle making parts or cars?
GM partners with medical company to make ventilators during coronavirus pandemic
General Motors is partnering with a medical device company to make ventilators during the COVID-19 crisis, according to a joint statement on GM’s website.

GM and Ventec Life Systems are collaborating so the latter can increase production of its respiratory care products in the ongoing effort to stymie the spread of coronavirus.

Also involved is StopTheSpread.org, the country’s coordinated private sector response to the pandemic.


Get in touch
We're coordinating funds and fast action across the private sector to help catalyze and support the government's national efforts. Fill out the form to get involved.



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I think these companies would be doing these things no matter who was sitting in the White House

 

[berg80]

Last Friday, Representative Andy Levin, a Democrat from Michigan, wrote a letter signed by 56 colleagues urging Donald Trump to invoke a law called the Defense Production Act in the fight against coronavirus. Passed during the Korean War in 1950, the law lets the president direct manufacturers to make supplies necessary for national security. “It very clearly allows the president to use the same powers for a public health emergency,” Levin told me.

At a time when the coronavirus pandemic is leading to a critical shortage of tests, ventilators, respirators, I.C.U. beds and protective gear for medical professionals, it seemed like an obvious move. “He has the power to get what we need,” said Levin. “And this is tens and hundreds of thousands of lives at stake in real time here.”

Finally, on Wednesday, Trump invoked the law, and it briefly looked as if things were going to get moving. But later that day, he tweeted that he’s holding off on actually using the powers the law gives him: “I only signed the Defense Production Act to combat the Chinese Virus should we need to invoke it in a worst case scenario in the future. Hopefully there will be no need, but we are all in this TOGETHER!”
Opinion | Of Course Trump Deserves Blame for the Coronavirus Crisis
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A disaster foretold: Shortages of ventilators and other medical supplies have long been warned about
A disaster foretold: Shortages of ventilators and other medical supplies have long been warned about

Crosse, former head of the healthcare section of the Government Accountability Office. Since the early 2000s, the GAO, the federal government’s leading internal watchdog, has issued a steady stream of reports about poor pandemic planning.

As the current crisis has widened, President Trump has attempted to deflect responsibility for his administration’s poor planning, suggesting the coronavirus outbreak was inconceivable.

“Nobody knew there would be a pandemic or epidemic of this proportion,” the president said Thursday.

The opposite is true. The GAO, public health experts and others issued a steady drumbeat of warnings that America would sooner or later face a widespread infectious disease outbreak or a major bioterrorism attack and was woefully unprepared.
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FORE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Harpy Eagle]

When the administration asked, they responded to the need. Geeesh. You are so tds!

Since you want to make this all about Trump, answer me this.

South Korea got hit with the virus about the same time we did. The leader of SK asked this of his countries companies in late Jan....Trump did it in mid-March.

Why did Trump wait so long?

 

[skews13]

Why of course not, according to you, even though many report they are working with the administration.

Working "with" and working "for" are two very different things.

We do not need the government to tell us to do the right thing

When the administration asked, they responded to the need. Geeesh. You are so tds!

So you think the only reason they did it was because the government asked them to? Do you think that lowly of our population?

Before being forced to close, local restaurants were offering free lunches to kids once the schools closed, not because the government made them, but because it was the right thing to do

Do you really think hanes is planning on going into the mask industry when there are enough again?
Do you think the demand for respirators will be high enough after the pandemic for gm to shuttle making parts or cars?
GM partners with medical company to make ventilators during coronavirus pandemic
General Motors is partnering with a medical device company to make ventilators during the COVID-19 crisis, according to a joint statement on GM’s website.

GM and Ventec Life Systems are collaborating so the latter can increase production of its respiratory care products in the ongoing effort to stymie the spread of coronavirus.

Also involved is StopTheSpread.org, the country’s coordinated private sector response to the pandemic.

Get in touch
We're coordinating funds and fast action across the private sector to help catalyze and support the government's national efforts. Fill out the form to get involved.



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I think these companies would be doing these things no matter who was sitting in the White House

And The Presidential Defense Act of 1950 is hanging over their heads if they don't.

Which by the way was passed in 1950 for a reason. That reason being you cannot depend on the private sector as the Great Depression, World War 2, and this pandemic have shown to be absolutely true.

These companies aren't doing these things out of the goodness of their hearts, or because it's the right thing to do. But because the Sword of Damocles is right there as motivating factor if they don't.

 

[Oddball]

Working "with" and working "for" are two very different things.

We do not need the government to tell us to do the right thing

When the administration asked, they responded to the need. Geeesh. You are so tds!

So you think the only reason they did it was because the government asked them to? Do you think that lowly of our population?

Before being forced to close, local restaurants were offering free lunches to kids once the schools closed, not because the government made them, but because it was the right thing to do

Do you really think hanes is planning on going into the mask industry when there are enough again?
Do you think the demand for respirators will be high enough after the pandemic for gm to shuttle making parts or cars?
GM partners with medical company to make ventilators during coronavirus pandemic
General Motors is partnering with a medical device company to make ventilators during the COVID-19 crisis, according to a joint statement on GM’s website.

GM and Ventec Life Systems are collaborating so the latter can increase production of its respiratory care products in the ongoing effort to stymie the spread of coronavirus.

Also involved is StopTheSpread.org, the country’s coordinated private sector response to the pandemic.

Get in touch
We're coordinating funds and fast action across the private sector to help catalyze and support the government's national efforts. Fill out the form to get involved.



Donate Now | #StopTheSpread

I think these companies would be doing these things no matter who was sitting in the White House

And The Presidential Defense Act of 1950 is hanging over their heads if they don't.

Which by the way was passed in 1950 for a reason. That reason being you cannot depend on the private sector as the Great Depression, World War 2, and this pandemic have shown to be absolutely true.

These companies aren't doing these things out of the goodness of their hearts, or because it's the right thing to do. But because the Sword of Damocles is right there as motivating factor if they don't.

Translation: The beatings will continue until morale improves.

 

[depotoo]

When the administration asked, they responded to the need. Geeesh. You are so tds!

Since you want to make this all about Trump, answer me this.

South Korea got hit with the virus about the same time we did. The leader of SK asked this of his countries companies in late Jan....Trump did it in mid-March.

Why did Trump wait so long?

I want to? The thread was about Trump!
Do you realize that a mask manufacturer in Tx wrote Obama in 2010, warning of such a thing happening, yet nothing was done. He also warned Trump.
But my next question to you is how were either administrations to know the supplies on hand at anything but federal facilities. Seems to me planning along these lines has been ignored for decades, but it would appear much of it at non federal facilities. Then because our manufacturing has been delegated to China for most of these items, suddenly in an emergency we must rely on them fulfilling their orders that US companies have previously placed. They didn’t, they kept supplies from being shipped and confiscated them for their own use. And it is not just the US experiencing it, much to your chagrin, I am sure.
The Global Shortage of Medical Masks Won't Be Easing Soon
Health care workers are calling on people to donate face masks
and today-
FEMA administrator says more masks are being shipped from stockpile amid shortage

And you know, the way companies are stepping up to fill the need, that is what capitalism does.

 

[Hellokitty]

Last Friday, Representative Andy Levin, a Democrat from Michigan, wrote a letter signed by 56 colleagues urging Donald Trump to invoke a law called the Defense Production Act in the fight against coronavirus. Passed during the Korean War in 1950, the law lets the president direct manufacturers to make supplies necessary for national security. “It very clearly allows the president to use the same powers for a public health emergency,” Levin told me.

At a time when the coronavirus pandemic is leading to a critical shortage of tests, ventilators, respirators, I.C.U. beds and protective gear for medical professionals, it seemed like an obvious move. “He has the power to get what we need,” said Levin. “And this is tens and hundreds of thousands of lives at stake in real time here.”

Finally, on Wednesday, Trump invoked the law, and it briefly looked as if things were going to get moving. But later that day, he tweeted that he’s holding off on actually using the powers the law gives him: “I only signed the Defense Production Act to combat the Chinese Virus should we need to invoke it in a worst case scenario in the future. Hopefully there will be no need, but we are all in this TOGETHER!”
Opinion | Of Course Trump Deserves Blame for the Coronavirus Crisis
..................................................................................................................
A disaster foretold: Shortages of ventilators and other medical supplies have long been warned about
A disaster foretold: Shortages of ventilators and other medical supplies have long been warned about

Crosse, former head of the healthcare section of the Government Accountability Office. Since the early 2000s, the GAO, the federal government’s leading internal watchdog, has issued a steady stream of reports about poor pandemic planning.

As the current crisis has widened, President Trump has attempted to deflect responsibility for his administration’s poor planning, suggesting the coronavirus outbreak was inconceivable.

“Nobody knew there would be a pandemic or epidemic of this proportion,” the president said Thursday.

The opposite is true. The GAO, public health experts and others issued a steady drumbeat of warnings that America would sooner or later face a widespread infectious disease outbreak or a major bioterrorism attack and was woefully unprepared.
...............................................................................................................
FORE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It has already been explained that the process to making medical equipment isn't something that can be done overnight for a company not already making such equipment. And companies that are able to easily switch over production to provide sanitizers and protective gear are already doing so.

Be specific on what exactly should TRUMP being doing in taking over companies?

 

[DGS49]

Good job, OP, displaying your Leftist economic stupidity.

The incentives are already in place. No need to make a government demand to produce more CV-related "stuff."

Only companies who want to make a profit will participate vigorously. That narrows it down to....EVERY ******* COMPANY THAT IS CAPABLE OF MAKING THE STUFF!

 

[depotoo]

Last Friday, Representative Andy Levin, a Democrat from Michigan, wrote a letter signed by 56 colleagues urging Donald Trump to invoke a law called the Defense Production Act in the fight against coronavirus. Passed during the Korean War in 1950, the law lets the president direct manufacturers to make supplies necessary for national security. “It very clearly allows the president to use the same powers for a public health emergency,” Levin told me.

At a time when the coronavirus pandemic is leading to a critical shortage of tests, ventilators, respirators, I.C.U. beds and protective gear for medical professionals, it seemed like an obvious move. “He has the power to get what we need,” said Levin. “And this is tens and hundreds of thousands of lives at stake in real time here.”

Finally, on Wednesday, Trump invoked the law, and it briefly looked as if things were going to get moving. But later that day, he tweeted that he’s holding off on actually using the powers the law gives him: “I only signed the Defense Production Act to combat the Chinese Virus should we need to invoke it in a worst case scenario in the future. Hopefully there will be no need, but we are all in this TOGETHER!”
Opinion | Of Course Trump Deserves Blame for the Coronavirus Crisis
..................................................................................................................
A disaster foretold: Shortages of ventilators and other medical supplies have long been warned about
A disaster foretold: Shortages of ventilators and other medical supplies have long been warned about

Crosse, former head of the healthcare section of the Government Accountability Office. Since the early 2000s, the GAO, the federal government’s leading internal watchdog, has issued a steady stream of reports about poor pandemic planning.

As the current crisis has widened, President Trump has attempted to deflect responsibility for his administration’s poor planning, suggesting the coronavirus outbreak was inconceivable.

“Nobody knew there would be a pandemic or epidemic of this proportion,” the president said Thursday.

The opposite is true. The GAO, public health experts and others issued a steady drumbeat of warnings that America would sooner or later face a widespread infectious disease outbreak or a major bioterrorism attack and was woefully unprepared.
...............................................................................................................
FORE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It has already been explained that the process to making medical equipment isn't something that can be done overnight for a company not already making such equipment. And companies that are able to easily switch over production to provide sanitizers and protective gear are already doing so.

Be specific on what exactly should TRUMP being doing in taking over companies?

He must be a Bernie socialist.

 

[berg80]

Good job, OP, displaying your Leftist economic stupidity.

The incentives are already in place. No need to make a government demand to produce more CV-related "stuff."

Only companies who want to make a profit will participate vigorously. That narrows it down to....EVERY ******* COMPANY THAT IS CAPABLE OF MAKING THE STUFF!

Trump Denial Syndrome strikes again.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Trump is encouraging and negotiating with some companies to retool and make some medical supplies we are short of. That's what a good US President does. This isn't Red China where government can tell companies what to make, how much to make and how much to charge. We're a free country.

US military says it is working to convert buildings into hospitals in three or four weeks - CNNPolitics

 

[skews13]

Trump is encouraging and negotiating with some companies to retool and make some medical supplies we are short of. That's what a good US President does. This isn't Red China where government can tell companies what to make, how much to make and how much to charge. We're a free country.

US military says it is working to convert buildings into hospitals in three or four weeks - CNNPolitics

And that will intensify. This is a national problem people want the government to handle. Not McDonalds or GM.