Trump will announce end of birthright citizenship for children of illegal immigrants, officials say

[protectionist]

Foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors. Are any illegals related to any ambassadors that you know?

Obviously Sen Howard was referring to ALL illegal aliens. You think he's going to exclude relatives of ambassadors, and then have criminals climbing over a wall or fence be OK'd ?

 

[protectionist]

My guess is all of the legal challenges will win. The Constitution explicitly states in the 14th Amendment. "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside."

That was already addressed. See Post # 509

 

[Curried Goats]

But we're discussing the text of the 14A. If "subject to the jurisdiction of" implied being subject to the laws, then why would it stop at just people being born in the US, considering any "alien" inside the country would be subject to our laws. Why exclude them anyone who could get here?

Because they didn't meet the first part of the requirement. Being born here.

The 14A excluded native Americans and in the information i was reading, it wasn't anything to do with our laws, it was because the Indian tribes were considered sovereign nations, not subject to the jurisdiction, or, not owing allegiance to the United States and the United States could not claim any jurisdiction over them.

Exactly. Same for children of diplomats who are not under American jurisdiction. There are two qualifications you have to meet. You have to be born here and subject to our jurisdiction. Aliens who arrive on our shores aren't born here, indigenous children and the children of diplomats are born here but not subject to our jurisdiction, everyone else however who is born here is subject to our jurisdiction. That includes children of citizens, resident aliens, visitors, students on student visas, green cars holders, immigrants, and illegal aliens. All are born here and subject to our jurisdiction.

 

[Curried Goats]

Obviously Sen Howard was referring to ALL illegal aliens. You think he's going to exclude relatives of ambassadors, and then have criminals climbing over a wall or fence be OK'd ?

Well again, morons, criminals climbing over the walls wouldn't have been born here. The point is not to punish new born children for the sins of their parents.

 

[JoeB131]

So the words in the Amendment are meaningless. Brilliant legal analysis. Brilliant.

The words of the amendment are pretty clear.

If you are born here, you are a citizen.

It is absolutely brilliant. This issue was resolved 126 years ago with Wong.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Why not? If it's not specified by the cotus it can be subject to legislation and EO...I'm not sure if I would lean toward the EO, I kinda feel this is an interpretation of the cotus, which is in the wheelhouse of scotus.


They are not ending BC, they are defining who it applies to.

It is defined by the Constitution, ThisisMe, not by legislation or EO.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

?? what "logic process?" I asked JoeB what the difference is between "subject to the jurisdiction" and "within the jurisdiction" in the 14th Amendment. He said the words are meaningless.

You want to give it a shot, what is the difference?

Your question is meaningless. Read the 14th with a dictionary.

 

[Zincwarrior]

FIrst suits to block this being heard today, one in Washington, one in Maryland. I expect one or both courts to block it.

 

[Rawley]

Your question is meaningless. Read the 14th with a dictionary.

LOL You and JoeB make quite a pair. Your gross ignorance only surpassed by your insulting arrogance. Kudos.

 

[Rawley]

The words of the amendment are pretty clear.

If you are born here, you are a citizen.

It is absolutely brilliant. This issue was resolved 126 years ago with Wong.

Even though Wong's parents were legal residents. THat doesn't make any difference in the analysis you looked up on Google?

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Anyone born in the United States who also gets a birth certificate from the parent's home country is not solely subject to United States jurisdiction. They cannot be citizens.

This applies to all Mexicans.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

LOL You and JoeB make quite a pair. Your gross ignorance only surpassed by your insulting arrogance. Kudos.

Your gaslighting is sad.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Even though Wong's parents were legal residents. THat doesn't make any difference in the analysis you looked up on Google?

If you are born here, you are a citizen (United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649 (1898)).

Only an amendment or SCOTUS change that.

Neither the President nor the Congress can change that meaning.

 

[Rawley]

Your gaslighting is sad.

Your preening is pitiful. The only question in birthright citizenship is the meaning of "subject to the jurisdiction" and the key to understanding that meaning is difference is between "subject to the jurisdiction" and "within the jurisdiction"

But you simply dance away, pretending you even have a superficial understanding of the issue.

 

[Rawley]

If you are born here, you are a citizen (United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649 (1898)).

Only an amendment or SCOTUS change that.

Neither the President nor the Congress can change that meaning.

Thanks mr. Google.

 

[Rawley]

So at best, Trump could perhaps prevent babies born going forward from getting citizenship.

YOur ignorance is frightening.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Your preening is pitiful. The only question in birthright citizenship is the meaning of "subject to the jurisdiction" and the key to understanding that meaning is difference is between "subject to the jurisdiction" and "within the jurisdiction"

But you simply dance away, pretending you even have a superficial understanding of the issue.

That has been decided 126 years ago.

 

[Rawley]

That has been decided 126 years ago.

Ark's parents were permanent legal residents.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Ark's parents were permanent legal residents.

... which had been decided in 1898. It does not change Ark's own citizenship.

 

[Rawley]

... which had been decided in 1898. It does not change Ark's own citizenship.

??? It's why he was granted citizenship..

In contrast, if an illegal gets two feet across the border and gives birth, your interpretation grants citizenship to the child.

This is your interpretation of the 14th:

All persons born or naturalized in the United States , and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States