Trump will announce end of birthright citizenship for children of illegal immigrants, officials say

[Rawley]

So, um, yeah... legal immigrants can be denied.

Uh no. If they are here on a Visa Waiver program or visiting on a student, work, or tourist visa, they are not immigrants.

Words have meaning.

 

[ThisIsMe]

Why don't you read that ruling?

What ruling? I'm giving you an opportunity to read what the people who debated the amendment said and offer your thoughts.

 

[JoeB131]

"enjoyed a permanent domicil and residence" Means there were here legally on a permanent basis

Except they didn't. They went back to China.

"legal" means everything, At least to most of us. You've made clear that it is meaningless to you.

Actually, most Americans favor a path to citizenship for some undocumented immigrants. It should be on a case by case basis.

Are is a legal process. THe illegals Joe let in just don't want to wait in line and go through the legal process

Then fix the legal process, and people wouldn't have to circumvent it.

 

[JoeB131]

Uh no. If they are here on a Visa Waiver program or visiting on a student, work, or tourist visa, they are not immigrants.

Words have meaning.

Except the 14th doesn't say immigrants, it says anyone who is here under American law.

You lose again.

 

[Curried Goats]

What ruling? I'm giving you an opportunity to read what the people who debated the amendment said and offer your thoughts.

And I'm telling you to read the Supreme Courts ruling on Wong Kim Ark and what it says about jurisdiction. Why do I need to read some commentators opinion when I have the opinion of the Supreme Court?

Birthright citizenship in the United States - Wikipedia

Every citizen or subject of another country, while domiciled here, is within the allegiance and the protection, and consequently subject to the jurisdiction, of the United States. His allegiance to the United States is direct and immediate, and, although but local and temporary, continuing only so long as he remains within our territory

 

[Rawley]

Except they didn't. They went back to China.

After the exclusionary act was passed.

Actually, most Americans favor a path to citizenship for some undocumented immigrants. It should be on a case by case basis.

Link for "most"

Then fix the legal process, and people wouldn't have to circumvent it.

The legal process ain't broken.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Rube Rawley becomes tiresome.

 

[dudmuck]

That's not what the decision on Wong Kim Park said. His parents were subjects of the Chinese emperor.

U.S. v. Wong Kim Ark, in 1898, held that a child born in the U.S. to Chinese parents is automatically a U.S. citizen

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Correct, there are two requirements (3 if you read more into it). 1) born in the US 2) subject to its jurisdiction

It's number 2 that is in question. Jurisdiction is not just about being subject to the laws, it's about one's allegiance to another country. So, in this case, a child born in the united states, to parents whos allegiance is to another country, would not be a citizen. The child would assume the citizenship of the parents.

If this were not the case, then why exclude diplomats? What if that diplomat wanted their child to be a citizen of the US? This would deny them that. The way it was written, it tells you all of the people excluded, including diplomats, aliens, other foreigners.

That is not mentioned in the Constitution.

 

[Curried Goats]

U.S. v. Wong Kim Ark, in 1898, held that a child born in the U.S. to Chinese parents is automatically a U.S. citizen

Yep. Chinese parents. That's what I said moron.

 

[ThisIsMe]

That is not mentioned in the Constitution.

No, but the debates over exactly what "subject to the jurisdiction of" means, do.

Birthright Citizenship: A Response to My Critics - Claremont Review of Books

claremontreviewofbooks.com

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

No, but the debates over exactly what "subject to the jurisdiction of" means, do.

Birthright Citizenship: A Response to My Critics - Claremont Review of Books

claremontreviewofbooks.com

No, it is not. That was decided long ago. You just didn't get it.

You want to change the definition is all.

 

[JoeB131]

Link for "most"

SS-Im-Im

publicconsultation.org

In fact, even in theory, Mass Deportation is an unpopular position. (Trump won because of inflation and because Harris was not a good candidate).

It's going to be really unpopular when people see videos of crying children being rounded up by ICE Jackboots.

The legal process ain't broken.

Sure it is.

It takes 4 years (my wife waited for 7) for an asylum case to be heard, even though the law calls for them to be resolved in 180 days. That's a broken system.

There is demand for cheap labor that is not being met, because the ability to get low paying work visas (H-2A and H-2B) is very difficult, even though Americans don't really want these jobs. Meanwhile, rich assholes like Muskrat can get all the H-1B guys they want to ace Americans out of jobs they went to school for.

 

[AsherN]

If "jurisdiction" is only about "subject to our laws", then why limit it to people born here? EVERYONE is subject to our laws

The answer is, jurisdiction wasn't about laws, but about allegiance to another country.

By that definition only people born to American citizens who don't have dual citizenship would have birthright citizenship.

 

[johnwk]

No, it is not. That was decided long ago. You just didn't get it.

Exactly, what was decided long ago?

 

[Rawley]

SS-Im-Im

publicconsultation.org

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In fact, even in theory, Mass Deportation is an unpopular position. (Trump won because of inflation and because Harris was not a good candidate).

Thanks for the poll of the Upper West side of Manhattan. In the rest of the country, we support mass deportation by 62%

Trump and Biden neck and neck nationally and in battlegrounds — CBS News poll

There have been small shifts as Biden draws more Trump opposition; but Trump holds edge on many qualities.

www.cbsnews.com

It's going to be really unpopular when people see videos of crying children being rounded up by ICE Jackboots.

LOL Is AOC going to be crying at the fence again? We've got your number this time around.

Sure it is.

It takes 4 years (my wife waited for 7) for an asylum case to be heard, even though the law calls for them to be resolved in 180 days. That's a broken system.

There is demand for cheap labor that is not being met, because the ability to get low paying work visas (H-2A and H-2B) is very difficult, even though Americans don't really want these jobs. Meanwhile, rich assholes like Muskrat can get all the H-1B guys they want to ace Americans out of jobs they went to school for.

Was your wife waiting in whatever shithole country she came from? Or was she here, enjoying life in America?

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Rawley, "According to a recent poll, 54% of Americans support mass deportation of immigrants living in the country illegally. This includes 86% of Republicans, 58% of independents, and 25% of Democrats." Of course, it is "The Hill".

 

[JoeB131]

Thanks for the poll of the Upper West side of Manhattan. In the rest of the country, we support mass deportation by 62%

Do you have a poll for that? I presented a nationwide poll that also polled the swing states.

LOL Is AOC going to be crying at the fence again? We've got your number this time around.

Well, yesterday, your ICE jackboots arrested a Puerto Rican Veteran... I'm sure that's a good look for you.

 

[ThisIsMe]

No, it is not. That was decided long ago. You just didn't get it.

You want to change the definition is all.

No, read the article. The definition we have has been pushed by the left. The people who wrote the amendment didn't see it like you see it.

 

[johnwk]

No, read the article. The definition we have has been pushed by the left. The people who wrote the amendment didn't see it like you see it.

That poster makes stuff up all the time, and when asked to substantiate his claims with documentation, he goes mute.