Trump Thinks He Humiliated Zelensky. He Really Humiliated the United States

[Oddball]

We don't hate neocons anymore?

Nope....The Bushbot neocons are now besties with the crackpot moonbats.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

Here's another idiot:

NATO chief issues warning to Zelensky after car crash Trump talks

NATO chief Mark Rutte said he told Volodymyr Zelensky that he needs to find a way to restore his relationship with President Donald Trump after Friday's clash during a White House meeting.

www.dailymail.co.uk

These fools need to forget trump, stop basing their entire defense strategy on what Americans say and want. There's no way trump will supply weapons to Ukraine else he'd have that in the "deal" and Zelensky would have signed it. The sooner the EU wakes up and grows a pair and sidelines trump, the better.

NATO is now emasculated, it can only act with the unanimous support of all members, that's the way it's structured so NATO can do nothing unless the US is onboard and the US is no longer onboard with confronting Russia militarily. I wouldn't be surprised if Russia attacks a NATO member and we can all watch as trump does nothing, refuses to honor US treaty obligations.

 

[Rawley]

Zelensky is not why this war is happening.

What's your plan for ending the war?

 

[JimH52]

Correll, I agree with you on this.

If Trump can't help, he needs to back out.

Perhaps Z can arrange a good deal for Ukraine's rare metals with the EuroUnion.,

Exactly! Pay the EU back and let trump swing in the wind.

 

[Lastamender]

“It’s time to say it plainly. America’s leadership has switched sides in the war. The American people have not, and they should speak up.

In the past several weeks, the U.S. leadership has demonstrated explicit hostility towards Ukraine and aligned its rhetoric and policy with Russia.

The animosity culminated today when U.S. President Donald Trump and Vice President JD Vance berated Ukraine’s President Volodymyr Zelensky at a meeting in the Oval Office.

After a hostile meeting, Zelensky left the White House. Trump reportedly ordered the Ukrainian delegation out.

Let this sink in. The president of a battered Ukraine, an ally of the U.S., became the first world leader in history to be kicked out of the White House. Not a dictator, not a disgraced politician — the president of Ukraine, a country suffering from the worst invasion in the 21st century. The country that the U.S. administration swore to bring peace to.”

Editorial: A president just disrespected America in the Oval Office. It wasn’t Zelensky

It’s time to say it plainly. America’s leadership has switched sides in the war. The American people have not, and they should speak up. In the past several weeks, the U.S. leadership has demonstrated explicit hostility towards Ukraine and aligned its rhetoric and policy with Russia. The...

kyivindependent.com

Trump and Vance engaged in a shameful, reprehensible betrayal of America’s long tradition of defending democracy and opposing despotic aggression.

What Trump did was stick up for the American people. Anyone to stupid to see that should not post a thing.

 

[theHawk]

Since I pay taxes, you need to stfu. So this means you don't support Isreal's war in Gaza.

I don’t think we should be funding Israel. The Jews are the richest people in the world, they can fund their own war.

I don’t have a problem with them bombing Muslim terrorists that declared war on them. Then Palestinians fucked around and found out. Multiculturalism doesn’t work, they need to send the Palestinians packing if they want peace. But it isn’t my fight either way.

 

[theHawk]

Exactly! Pay the EU back and let trump swing in the wind.

^^ traitor alert, cheering for Europe over America.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

What Trump did was stick up for the American people. Anyone to stupid to see that should not post a thing.

All trump proved was that he has nothing to offer Ukraine and Zelensky needs to stop begging a man who has no intention of giving him what he wants. The United States has dramatically stopped being a dependable ally, so they should all move on and ignore trump, the world no longer needs the US.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

^^ traitor alert, cheering for Europe over America.

theHawk is whom the alert is for.

 

[Lastamender]

All trump proved was that he has nothing to offer Ukraine and Zelensky needs to stop begging a man who has no intention of giving him what he wants. The United States has dramatically stopped being a dependable ally, so they should all move on and ignore trump, the world no longer needs the US.

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What the **** should we be offering Ukraine after the 350 billion we already gave them? You are a special kind of stupid.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

What the **** should we be offering Ukraine after the 350 billion we already gave them?

The United States has pursued a strategy for many decades of expanding NATO eastward. The United States promised Ukraine NATO protection and then NATO membership. Ukraine allied itself with the United States and received military support as the US promised.

So from Ukraine's point of view a decades old relationship built on mutual trust has suddenly collapsed, you can't really blame Zelensky for trying to salvage this.

The United States has spearheaded NATO in the drive to expand closer and closer to the Russian border, that's what NATO has been doing, now - rightly or wrongly - the United States has betrayed its allies, that's what has happened and you're watching that, that's what's happening.

You are a special kind of stupid.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

If China did invade Taiwan I imagine no European nation would come to the aid of the US, the US would have to face that and fight that alone, the Europeans can see that trump has betrayed them with Ukraine and so they will not suddenly be running around to assist the US, trump has killed the decades old alliances, and that's that, that's how trump has weakened the United States on the global stage.

Furthermore given trump's increasing closeness to Putin you can be sure that the EU will reduce intelligence sharing with the US, there's no way any responsible state that's concerned about Russian aggression, will share critical intelligence with what is now a Russian partner state. That reduced intelligence will greatly hamper the United States going forward, any fight with China will be hugely problematic without the masses of intelligence Europe gives to the US.

If the US seriously wants to fight the Chinese then they should not be treating their allies with contempt, it will backfire.

Personally I don't care, I've long felt that the United States is grave threat to humanity, this change of course, this isolationism is welcomed by me because the US has had far far to much influence over the world.

I just wish trump would be consistent and deal with Israel as he's dealing with Ukraine and stop being a hypocrite pretending to care about people being killed.

 

[Wild Bill Kelsoe]

“It’s time to say it plainly. America’s leadership has switched sides in the war. The American people have not, and they should speak up.

In the past several weeks, the U.S. leadership has demonstrated explicit hostility towards Ukraine and aligned its rhetoric and policy with Russia.

The animosity culminated today when U.S. President Donald Trump and Vice President JD Vance berated Ukraine’s President Volodymyr Zelensky at a meeting in the Oval Office.

After a hostile meeting, Zelensky left the White House. Trump reportedly ordered the Ukrainian delegation out.

Let this sink in. The president of a battered Ukraine, an ally of the U.S., became the first world leader in history to be kicked out of the White House. Not a dictator, not a disgraced politician — the president of Ukraine, a country suffering from the worst invasion in the 21st century. The country that the U.S. administration swore to bring peace to.”

Editorial: A president just disrespected America in the Oval Office. It wasn’t Zelensky

It’s time to say it plainly. America’s leadership has switched sides in the war. The American people have not, and they should speak up. In the past several weeks, the U.S. leadership has demonstrated explicit hostility towards Ukraine and aligned its rhetoric and policy with Russia. The...

kyivindependent.com

Trump and Vance engaged in a shameful, reprehensible betrayal of America’s long tradition of defending democracy and opposing despotic aggression.

The People are tired of pouring money into Ukraine to pay for a fool's errand. Why do you think Trump won the election?

 

[Mac-7]

That's funny, truly it is. The United States spent years decimating Southeast Asian countries right under China's nose, dropping more bombs on Laos than were dropped aby all the allies during WW2. It littered the place with poison and unexploded cluster munitions which even today kill an main children every year.

Like I said, you're funny.

The US invaded Vietnam, so why can't China invade Taiwan? Is China invading Cuba? no, so get a grip.

The US did not invade vietnam

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

The US did not invade Vietnam

Very well, Russia did not invade Ukraine, if you want to play silly games go ahead but I won't waste my time with you.

 

[Delldude]

In reality, the war has reached a bloody stalemate, neither side seems to have the means to achieve their desired goals.

Oportune time to sucker NATO in as a security force.

Perhaps Z can arrange a good deal for Ukraine's rare metals with the EuroUnion.,

EU economies are broke. Zelensky has drained their pocket books and weapons stores too. No venture capital. They're freaking out over Trump's tarrifs......all He wants is to charge them the same as they charge us, and that's going to hurt their economy.

Zelensky is not why this war is happening.

Correct, it's the US and NATO expansion after our promises not to. Billy Boy Clinton started it.

 

[Synthaholic]

 

[JimH52]

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Vance lied, but that was the plan all along.

 

[Delldude]

Background on your boy.....

 

[Lastamender]

The United States has pursued a strategy for many decades of expanding NATO eastward. The United States promised Ukraine NATO protection and then NATO membership. Ukraine allied itself with the United States and received military support as the US promised.

So from Ukraine's point of view a decades old relationship built on mutual trust has suddenly collapsed, you can't really blame Zelensky for trying to salvage this.

The United States has spearheaded NATO in the drive to expand closer and closer to the Russian border, that's what NATO has been doing, now - rightly or wrongly - the United States has betrayed its allies, that's what has happened and you're watching that, that's what's happening.

The US or that ******* deadbrain Biden. Do some research and come back.