Trump Pros and Cons

[playtime]

No, not a hundred percent because I wasn't there and neither were you.

i heard it live.

 

[playtime]

Jesus is a reoccuring character that doesn't even appear until the 2nd half of the story.

the OP is all about JC ... in the NT. so what's yer point?

You Think!

already did.

 

[playtime]

THat would include Bill Clinton and Hunter Biden

that's nice. i didn't vote for slick willy. so my conscience is crystal clear with that one.

hunter? lol ... have heard that one. anyhoo ...

you gots anything else?

 

[playtime]

Again, my opinion. Trump wouldn't hide something unless he had something to hide. If the files were "a hoax" (as he pretends to believe) then let's be 100% transparent and release 100% of the files 100% unredacted. They say the names are redacted for purposes of "national security" but if the entire thing is a "hoax" then how would they remotely affect national security?

Something is very fishy and Trump doesn't want us to know what it is.

with high powered people involved that epstein was either in cahoots with, or extorted - he got a lot of cash doing. my opinion is that donny is in deep & not from being a client - but being a partner of epstein's.

 

[ChristisKing]

This is the position you are in. You can hear Trump saying he does things. You can see testimony of victims who say. Yes he did exactly what he said he did. And your response is... "well but do we really know he did it?"

Isn't that the normal response?

"Not a hundred percent?" That's an interesting way to put it.

So what percentage of certainty do you need? 99.999999 percent certain is still enough doubt to say "well I'll still support him?

But hey let's be less extreme, 3 percent doubt? Would you support someone of whom your only certain 97 percent that he walks into dressing rooms with naked teenagers?

How much moral ambiguity do you allow yourself?

I don't think ChristisKing is denying it happened. I think he's hiding behind uncertainty. He's convinced himself it's alright to support Trump as long as he can hide behind "I don't know" in his head.

I say "hide" because at the same time he or she is laying the bar to be convinced at a level that wouldn't be required in a courtroom. Here the bar isn't reasonable doubt but any doubt.

All I'm saying is that I'm washing my hands in this until I have more information to go by. Like the release of the Epstein files that Trump seems to be holding back on.

I hope they're lying and just playing games to troll. If they really believe what they say, that's much worse in my book.

Lying or trolling about what?

I don't doubt it but hearsay isn't proof.

Bingo! Exactly my point.

it doesn't prove a thing - other than the fact that he & epstein & that whore & melania were very much part of each other's lives. btw - why have hillary testify - & has proven SHE can't even be shown to have ever been in the same room as them, let alone a pic. unlike donny, & epstein & the whore & melania. many times. why would she be transferred, other than she keep her mouth shut. how would you feel if she were pardoned? that might be next. a pardon for a sex trafficking *****.



because you are connecting some dots... keep going.

I just don't know. Not enough information for me yet.

c'mon over - we have cookies!

Lol what kind?

it 100% happened. i was a big stern fan b4 he left terrestrial radio & i heard that show live when donny bragged about it.

Well that I can believe happened but Trump actually sexually abusing the women I can't call judgement on right now.

 

[ChristisKing]

JustAnotherNut, even the people on here who are madly in love with Trump don't love Trump as much as Trump loves Trump.

 

[ChristisKing]

Also, what about the point on the pro-Trump side that he's putting America first by destroying one of our main enemy countries. Although destroying innocent civilians won't help much.

Btw, I still find this new war to be completely unnecessary though.

 

[JustAnotherNut]

JustAnotherNut, even the people on here who are madly in love with Trump don't love Trump as much as Trump loves Trump.

Meh, a wink and a 'seriously though' in a 23 second clip isn't much to take seriously, but is enough to roll a few eyeballs at.

No doubt he thinks he's the greatest thing since sliced bread though

 

[SaxonJackson]

JustAnotherNut, even the people on here who are madly in love with Trump don't love Trump as much as Trump loves Trump.

Here's another good one. Nobody but nobody "knows" as much as Donald Trump does. Not the Prophets. Not Einstein. Not the Guinness Book of World Records. NOBODY knows as much as Trump knows.

 

[ChristisKing]

Here's another good one. Nobody but nobody "knows" as much as Donald Trump does. Not the Prophets. Not Einstein. Not the Guinness Book of World Records. NOBODY knows as much as Trump knows.

Oh yeah didn't Jesus say in the Bible that nobody but the Father in Heaven and Donald Trump will know the day and hour of my return? Not like the disciples would know what He's talking about but....

 

[ChristisKing]

Here's another good one. Nobody but nobody "knows" as much as Donald Trump does. Not the Prophets. Not Einstein. Not the Guinness Book of World Records. NOBODY knows as much as Trump knows.

Btw I couldn't get through a minute of that before I'm like thinking shut up already!

 

[The Irish Ram]

i don't care who is in the files. (D)s (R)s hollywood, billionaires

And neither does anybody else. Any calls for boycotts of Tom Hanks movies?

Is there anyone here that does not believe that the Democrats would have propagandized even the appearance of improprieties involving Trump to prevent him from being elected? Don't you think Harris would have been telling Biden to give her the win by exposing Trump as some pedophile?

And your pictures don't mean shit. They ran in the same circles of wealthy businessmen and acquaintances. And Trump is friendly with everyone he meets.
Considering what is happening in the world right now, trying to make Epstein a major production is a waste of time. There are no pictures of Donald Trump on an island screwing a 9-year-old. On the other hand, the people in Iran are revolting against their government and are literally fighting for their lives.
Very few give a shit about Epstein and his clientele, because they know Trump isn't one of them. If he was, Pelosi and Schumer would have leaked them long, long ago.
You're beating a dead horse...

 

[forkup]

Isn't that the normal response?

No it isn't. Let me give an analogy why not, maybe if I take Trump's name out of it you'll understand.

A person goes to trial because of burglaries. He wasn't caught red-handed by the police but there are 5 separate witnesses that identify him personally as a burglar. Furthermore there's audiotape of him admitting that he routinely breaks into people's.houses.

Are you honestly going to claim that you wouldn't convict as a juror?

All I'm saying is that I'm washing my hands in this until I have more information to go by. Like the release of the Epstein files that Trump seems to be holding back on.

Let me call bs here. Since you aren't even accepting that he walks into dressing rooms uninvited. And he SAID ON TAPE that he did.

A full jury concluded that he fingerfucked a woman against her will.

And what has been released in the Epstein files already includes the birthday card, an accusation of someone who Claims assaulted her whem she was a young teenager amd a personal email from Epstein that Trump was in the loop.

The simple fact is that any and all evidence of Trump doing anything, will be dismissed out of hand or.in your case, will.be buried in a cloak of ambiguity no matter what it is.

 

[ChristisKing]

No it isn't. Let me give an analogy why not, maybe if I take Trump's name out of it you'll understand.

A person goes to trial because of burglaries. He wasn't caught red-handed by the police but there are 5 separate witnesses that identify him personally as a burglar. Furthermore there's audiotape of him admitting that he routinely breaks into people's.houses.

Are you honestly going to claim that you wouldn't convict as a juror?

Oh I see what you're saying now and yeah I would convict that person. The problem is though people lie all of the time so how would I know that I wasn't convicting an innocent person?

 

[Dragonlady]

No, not a hundred percent because I wasn't there and neither were you.

Trump said it happened, and the girls said it happened.

You need to change your user name, because you're lying to everyone. Trump is your King. Trump is the one you worship.

You're disgusting.

 

[forkup]

Oh I see what you're saying now and yeah I would convict that person. The problem is though people lie all of the time so how would I know that I wasn't convicting an innocent person?

First, let me thank you for engaging with the premise. I'm aware it puts you in an uncomfortable spot and that deserves respect.

It also leads me to believe that my assessment of you is correct, not as a criticism, but in the sense that you are an honest person who truly believes what they say. I value that.

So let me answer your question honestly.

You can't know.

There's a reason courts require proof beyond reasonable doubt. Absolute certainty is nearly unachievable, you can find ways to doubt almost any evidence. You could say the five witnesses all lied, and that the burglar was just trying to sound tough. A defense lawyer's entire job is essentially that. So the standard used is whether that doubt is reasonable. If it isn't, you convict.

Which brings me to why your answer is so telling. You'd convict a stranger and send him to jail on this level of evidence, yet that same evidence isn't enough for you to judge Trump.

The question worth sitting with isn't what I think of Trump. It's whether you're applying the same standard to him that you'd apply to anyone else, and if not, whether you can honestly justify that.
I think you already know the answer.

 

[buttercup]

my opinion is that donny is in deep & not from being a client - but being a partner of epstein's.

I think that's a very interesting point, and one that I hardly ever see brought up on this site.

Before anyone bites my head off, I'm not making a definitive claim here... but in regard to playtime's opinion in the quote above, I want to bring up a few points for the sake of argument.

1. Trump was groomed by Roy Cohn, who was a known sexual blackmailer. As others have mentioned, it is widely suspected that Epstein was running a blackmail honeypot operation, to collect dirt on powerful people.
   
   
2. Roy Cohn allegedly held blackmail parties and blackmailed J. Edgar Hoover at the Plaza Hotel, the same hotel his protégé Trump bought and owned for seven years. For the sake of argument, IF Trump was involved with any blackmail operation, he would have had the perfect setup for it.
   
   
3. Trump hosted beauty pageants alongside Jean Luc Brunell, who was charged with sex trafficking and rape, but died by suicide in prison while awaiting trial. Trump also partnered with John Casablancas (founder of Elite Model Management) who was linked to Epstein and faced several civil lawsuits and widespread accusations of sexual misconduct with minors. While those associations don't prove he is guilty, it seems that nearly everyone he chose to partner with and be friends with was involved with criminal activity, namely sexual crimes with underage girls. In regard to Epstein, and all of the above people that he partnered with…at the very least, he had to have known what was going on.

Since we're on this topic, it reminds me of this short video. Be sure to watch til the end, because the very last thing he says in this video is interesting, in light of the points brought up above...

 

[buttercup]

As for the tired old claim that if Trump was guilty, the Democrats would have exposed it....Maybe Trump has dirt on them? Anyone who has been paying attention knows that BOTH sides of the aisle are corrupt and there are politicians and powerful people on both sides involved with Epstein. NONE of them want to bring attention to it for that reason. DUH.

 

[SaxonJackson]

I think that's a very interesting point, and one that I hardly ever see brought up on this site.

Before anyone bites my head off, I'm not making a definitive claim here... but in regard to playtime's opinion in the quote above, I want to bring up a few points for the sake of argument.

1. Trump was groomed by Roy Cohn, who was a known sexual blackmailer. As others have mentioned, it is widely suspected that Epstein was running a blackmail honeypot operation, to collect dirt on powerful people.
   
   
2. Roy Cohn allegedly held blackmail parties and blackmailed J. Edgar Hoover at the Plaza Hotel, the same hotel his protégé Trump bought and owned for seven years. For the sake of argument, IF Trump was involved with any blackmail operation, he would have had the perfect setup for it.
   
   
3. Trump hosted beauty pageants alongside Jean Luc Brunell, who was charged with sex trafficking and rape, but died by suicide in prison while awaiting trial. Trump also partnered with John Casablancas (founder of Elite Model Management) who was linked to Epstein and faced several civil lawsuits and widespread accusations of sexual misconduct with minors. While those associations don't prove he is guilty, it seems that nearly everyone he chose to partner with and be friends with was involved with criminal activity, namely sexual crimes with underage girls. In regard to Epstein, and all of the above people that he partnered with…at the very least, he had to have known what was going on.

Since we're on this topic, it reminds me of this short video. Be sure to watch til the end, because the very last thing he says in this video is interesting, in light of the points brought up above...

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Yes. Trump's association with Cohn are corroborated and documented in the book "The Making Of Donald Trump" by David Cay Johnson. I'm still reading the book but Trump is tied to a number of nefarious individual and Mafia types. His past is shadier than even the never-Trumpers know about.

Amazon.com

 

[JohnDB]