Trump Pros and Cons

[ChristisKing]

Teen Beauty Queens Say Trump Walked In On Them Changing

“Don’t worry, ladies, I’ve seen it all before.”

www.buzzfeednews.com

Does this convince you it happened?

No, not a hundred percent because I wasn't there and neither were you.

 

[forkup]

And those accusations are coming from a conservative.



TemplarKormac, he farted again.

Yes, if you consider Trump a conservative.

This is the position you are in. You can hear Trump saying he does things. You can see testimony of victims who say. Yes he did exactly what he said he did. And your response is... "well but do we really know he did it?"


What would it take for you to accept certain actions to which Trump admits?

 

[forkup]

No, not a hundred percent because I wasn't there and neither were you.

"Not a hundred percent?" That's an interesting way to put it.

So what percentage of certainty do you need? 99.999999 percent certain is still enough doubt to say "well I'll still support him?

But hey let's be less extreme, 3 percent doubt? Would you support someone of whom your only certain 97 percent that he walks into dressing rooms with naked teenagers?

How much moral ambiguity do you allow yourself?

 

[forkup]

They can deny anything.

I don't think ChristisKing is denying it happened. I think he's hiding behind uncertainty. He's convinced himself it's alright to support Trump as long as he can hide behind "I don't know" in his head.

I say "hide" because at the same time he or she is laying the bar to be convinced at a level that wouldn't be required in a courtroom. Here the bar isn't reasonable doubt but any doubt.

 

[Dante]

President Trump has...redelivered free speech to our country

You do know how easily refutable that is?

 

[Dante]

he is against the epstein files because he is IN the epstein files. donny appears more times that jesus' name in the bible.

anyways, you can ask yourself why epstein's convicted whore pimp/GF named ghislaine maxwell, convicted & sentenced to 20 years in a federal prison talks to donny's (now) AG, todd blanche in that prison, & poof was magically transferred to a country club place where she now has great food & a puppy.

hmmmm.... think, girl.

Wowza!

great post

 

[Billiejeens]

You do know how easily refutable that is?

do it.

 

[Mac1958]

I don't think ChristisKing is denying it happened. I think he's hiding behind uncertainty. He's convinced himself it's alright to support Trump as long as he can hide behind "I don't know" in his head.

I say "hide" because at the same time he's laying the bar to be convinced at a level he wouldn't require in a courtroom. Here the bar isn't reasonable doubt but any doubt.

It's still so difficult to know what they really believe and what they don't.

I hope they're lying and just playing games to troll. If they really believe what they say, that's much worse in my book.

 

[SaxonJackson]

Correction he is mentioned a having to have had sex with underaged girls. https://www.reuters.com/world/us/ju...iews-epstein-files-with-woman-who-2026-03-06/

claimed Trump attempted to force her to perform oral sex after Epstein introduced her to the future president in New York or New Jersey in the 1980s when she was between 13 and 15 years old.

It still means nothing. That's the point I was making. It doesn't matter what it is. It will be explained away by his supporters and administration

I don't doubt it but hearsay isn't proof.

 

[forkup]

It's still so difficult to know what they really believe and what they don't.

I hope they're lying and just playing games to troll. If they really believe what they say, that's much worse in my book.

I, and this is a guess, think ChristisKing is a true believer in both the spiritual and MAGA sense. I even think both work in a similar fashion.

The thing I'm really starting to internalize is that so much of their identity is wrapped up in their beliefs that they simply can't back down. Sunk cost and all. Not only that we are the enemy.

We are not just asking them to look at stuff rationally. We are asking them to betray who they feel they are as a person to people they want to beat/hate/destroy.

There are very few people right or left who have that courage

 

[Mac1958]

I, and this is a guess, think ChristisKing is a true believer in both the spiritual and MAGA sense. I even think both work in a similar fashion.

The thing I'm really starting to internalize is that so much of their identity is wrapped up in their beliefs that they simply can't back down. Sunk cost and all. Not only that we are the enemy.

We are not just asking them to look at stuff rationally. We are asking them to betray who they feel they are as a person to people they want to beat/hate/destroy.

There are very few people who have that courage

Sure, this is far beyond politics for them. This is deeply personal. It was just a few days ago that it really hit me -- this is pretty simple: He makes them feel smart and strong and part of something. That's an incredible hold he has on them.

This hit me as I was watching a documentary on flat earthers (and yes, there is a lot of overlap between the two groups). The condescening, "I know something you don't know" smile, while spouting off pure fantasy, is exactly the same.

Smart, strong, special. A person isn't going to just give that up without a fight.

 

[forkup]

I don't doubt it but hearsay isn't proof.

A person testifying to events that happened to them isn't hearsay. Hearsay is when you heard something about a third person and are testifying to what you heard.

What you probably want to say is that you can't corroborate what she's saying, and that's true. But it's true for most rapes. In this case though we aren't talking about someone who the accusation comes out of the blue for. We are talking about someone who has dozens of accusations of sexual misconduct, a jury trial that determined he likely committed sexual assault, at least 2 audiotapes where he seems to admit to sexual misconduct, one involving minors. A birthday card were he mentions shared secrets with a child sex offender, and an email of that sex offender where he states to a third party he knows.

That's an awful lot of compelling evidence to give credence to the accusation in my book.

 

[Dante]

President Trump has...redelivered free speech to our country

You do know how easily refutable that is?

do it.

You people-of-the-cult surrounding Donald J. Trump, have this:

RESTORING FREEDOM OF SPEECH AND ENDING FEDERAL CENSORSHIP
Mouthpiece of the Trump Administration - By Nature as Biased as Imaginable

vs

this:

The Trump Administration's Attack on First Amendment ...​

Cato Institute
https://www.cato.org › Cato at Liberty

"Sep 29, 2025 — Having agents, or drones, watch someone's every move;; Putting up hidden cameras outside homes and offices;; Secretly demanding financial and ..."

Trump on Surveillance, Protest, and Free Speech​

American Civil Liberties Union
https://www.aclu.org › trump-on-surveillance-protest-an...

"In particular, he has threatened reprisals against students who are not U.S. citizens, merging his attacks on free speech with his attacks on immigration. In ..."

Trump's assault on the First Amendment​

International Bar Association | IBA
https://www.ibanet.org › Trumps-assault-on-the-First-A...

"May 14, 2025 — The Trump administration has executed a wide-ranging crackdown on freedom of speech by targeting student protestors, lawyers and the press."

Protecting Constitutional Freedoms of Speech and ...​

Center for American Progress
https://www.americanprogress.org › article › protecting...

"Apr 2, 2026 — These attacks on journalists and the media are attacks not only on free speech but on the truth. The Trump administration continues to twist the ..."

Crow Introduces New Legislative Effort to Protect Free Speech ...​

House.gov
http://crow.house.gov › media › press-releases › crow-int...

"Sep 23, 2025 — “The Trump Administration is attacking free speech – threatening anyone who dares to speak out against them. This politically motivated ..."

and more.........................................................................

The Attack on Free Speech Under the Second Trump ...​

Human Rights Research Center | HRRC
https://www.humanrightsresearch.org › post › the-attac...

"Nov 12, 2025 — Recent actions by Trump and his Executive Cabinet suggest that they are not upholding the First Amendment as they promised."

 

[Dante]

I don't doubt it but hearsay isn't proof.

English has to be your second language.

 

[forkup]

English has to be your second language.

It's my third lol.

But in all honesty I think it's a common misconception.

 

[playtime]

What does that picture prove exactly?

it doesn't prove a thing - other than the fact that he & epstein & that whore & melania were very much part of each other's lives. btw - why have hillary testify - & has proven SHE can't even be shown to have ever been in the same room as them, let alone a pic. unlike donny, & epstein & the whore & melania. many times. why would she be transferred, other than she keep her mouth shut. how would you feel if she were pardoned? that might be next. a pardon for a sex trafficking *****.

I really HATE blaming Trump, but unfortunately I have to admit that it currently isn't looking good for him.

because you are connecting some dots... keep going.

 

[playtime]

You are the prime definition of why for all of the years that I've been on this message board for five years the liberals have been saying that we're all in a cult. Until now I haven't realized how right they were. Yes I still support Trump but at least I don't kiss his butt like you do. I was going to say something worse than that, but for Jesus and people like buttercup I've been learning how to hold my tongue.

c'mon over - we have cookies!

 

[playtime]

You're good. I don't care what you think, but thank you for reminding me about the war part because I was asking somebody I know about it today and it looks like Trump's plan was for us to help Israel which I'm all down for, but the thing is how much has Trump spent with helping our country versus his time spent on Israel?

this is BB's war - & we are paying for it. first a billion dollars a day ... & next the suckers & losers will be paying for it with lives & limbs gone.

 

[Billiejeens]

You people-of-the-cult surrounding Donald J. Trump, have this:

RESTORING FREEDOM OF SPEECH AND ENDING FEDERAL CENSORSHIP
Mouthpiece of the Trump Administration - By Nature as Biased as Imaginable

vs

this:

The Trump Administration's Attack on First Amendment ...​

Cato Institute
https://www.cato.org › Cato at Liberty

"Sep 29, 2025 — Having agents, or drones, watch someone's every move;; Putting up hidden cameras outside homes and offices;; Secretly demanding financial and ..."

Trump on Surveillance, Protest, and Free Speech​

American Civil Liberties Union
https://www.aclu.org › trump-on-surveillance-protest-an...

"In particular, he has threatened reprisals against students who are not U.S. citizens, merging his attacks on free speech with his attacks on immigration. In ..."

Trump's assault on the First Amendment​

International Bar Association | IBA
https://www.ibanet.org › Trumps-assault-on-the-First-A...

"May 14, 2025 — The Trump administration has executed a wide-ranging crackdown on freedom of speech by targeting student protestors, lawyers and the press."

Protecting Constitutional Freedoms of Speech and ...​

Center for American Progress
https://www.americanprogress.org › article › protecting...

"Apr 2, 2026 — These attacks on journalists and the media are attacks not only on free speech but on the truth. The Trump administration continues to twist the ..."

Crow Introduces New Legislative Effort to Protect Free Speech ...​

House.gov
http://crow.house.gov › media › press-releases › crow-int...

"Sep 23, 2025 — “The Trump Administration is attacking free speech – threatening anyone who dares to speak out against them. This politically motivated ..."

and more.........................................................................

The Attack on Free Speech Under the Second Trump ...​

Human Rights Research Center | HRRC
https://www.humanrightsresearch.org › post › the-attac...

"Nov 12, 2025 — Recent actions by Trump and his Executive Cabinet suggest that they are not upholding the First Amendment as they promised."

You did say "refutable" so I suppose the opinions of a few far left sites "refutes" it.

Too bad that you didn't intend to submit some type of proof.

( I know within your echo chamber that is proof.)

 

[playtime]

You got a point actually. That's kind of creepy about the teenage girls thing if that really happened.

it 100% happened. i was a big stern fan b4 he left terrestrial radio & i heard that show live when donny bragged about it.