Any Other Diehard Trump Supporters Getting Frustrated With Trump?

[dblack]

Seems to me that is on them to prosecute, hire attorneys, not upon the government, Congress, Trump or anyone else, as the crime was against these girls and not against the USA.

Epstein was running a blackmail operation. Everyone associated with it is potentially compromised, potentially doing the bidding of whoever has the dirt now.

 

[toobfreak]

Epstein was running a blackmail operation. Everyone associated with it is potentially compromised, potentially doing the bidding of whoever has the dirt now.

Well, I don't know. I'm not a big Epstein Case Scholar. But Epstein is dead now so if anyone is blackmailing others, it must be someone else. Is there some big governmental coverup? Are factions of the government protecting themselves because they were involved?

Possibly. Perhaps even probably. So the question then becomes to ask why anyone would think these factions would be anymore conducive to exposure and accountability under Trump where none of these abc agencies even want to listen to him than they were under Joe Biden who never even asked, and those agencies sure liked Joe a lot more.

Joe had four years to open the case, but no one even asked. Then.

Since the government is the law, it is the hardest thing to prosecute for malfeasance since prosecution itself depends on the government in the first place.

 

[dblack]

Well, I don't know. I'm not a big Epstein Case Scholar. But Epstein is dead now so if anyone is blackmailing others, it must be someone else. Is there some big governmental coverup? Are factions of the government protecting themselves because they were involved?

Possibly. Perhaps even probably. So the question then becomes to ask why anyone would think these factions would be anymore conducive to exposure and accountability under Trump where none of these abc agencies even want to listen to him than they were under Joe Biden who never even asked, and those agencies sure liked Joe a lot more.

Joe had four years to open the case, but no one even asked. Then.

Since the government is the law, it is the hardest thing to prosecute for malfeasance since prosecution itself depends on the government in the first place.

I'm not sure what you're getting at here. Government is corrupt, so give up?

 

[toobfreak]

I'm not sure what you're getting at here. Government is corrupt, so give up?

No, I'm just asking why it suddenly behooves Trump to crack this Epstein case wide open when Joe Biden was never even asked, nor Obumma. But now it is a red light emergency? Worse, that somehow Trump is embroiled in the center of it?

 

[dblack]

No, I'm just asking why it suddenly behooves Trump to crack this Epstein case wide open when Joe Biden was never even asked, nor Obumma.

Beats me. I suspect because they, and/or lots of their friends, were embroiled in it. Why does that seem like a good excuse to you?

 

[toobfreak]

I suspect because they, and/or lots of their friends, were embroiled in it.

A lot of democrats were seemingly involved. Not sure if a lot of Trump's friends.

Why does that seem like a good excuse to you?

Good excuse for what? Again, this is a supposed case of many underage girls caught up in a ring of sex and drugs. And many powerful people were potentially involved.

The real victims here are those girls. Seems to me that some eager beaver attorney should be jumping on this case looking to make big money here, the question is where are they?

If the government or people in the government were involved, I'm not sure I see the wisdom of expecting the government itself to crack the case wide open.

People see this as some big, important case; I see it as just one more of a million examples of injustice and why our legal process is broken and does not work at all---- much like our healthcare system, it exists now only to serve special interests----

The court system is there is milk money from people and make lawyers rich. Lawyers always get rich. Only enough victims get settlements enough to maintain the illusion that if you follow the law, you too will get justice when almost certainly, you'll just get fleeced, of both money and time.

Much like the healthcare system now only serves to make insurance companies rich, and secondarily, hospitals and doctors, there is no guarantee that any given patient actually receives the care they need.

In fact, insurance companies are wholly extraneous to healthcare. All that is really needed is the patient and the provider. All insurance companies have done is interject themselves into the process like Ticketmaster, then drive up costs greatly so they can bleed off all the profits for themselves.

 

[Leo123]

No?

What’s different this time?

All of our bases around Iran are no longer operable. We have spent additional tens in billions and have even less than when we entered this unforced error

But it’s a blessing

We need to leave the ME and NATO

Focus on making live better in America for Americans

The difference is we are no longer being threatened by Iran's nuclear ambitions. Apparently 'death to America' spoken by the Mullahs you saw as no threat. Do I have to really go through the decades of threats, hostage taking, killing etc. that the Mullahs have done to US? How are some of you so blind to that all of the sudden? Is it 'Orange Man Bad?'

 

[CrusaderFrank]

The difference is we are no longer being threatened by Iran's nuclear ambitions. Apparently 'death to America' spoken by the Mullahs you saw as no threat. Do I have to really go through the decades of threats, hostage taking, killing etc. that the Mullahs have done to US? How are some of you so blind to that all of the sudden? Is it 'Orange Man Bad?'

What “nuclear ambition”? They declared WMDs were incompatible with Islam. Did Bibi tell you about Iran’s imagery nuclear ambitions? None of our Intelligence Agencies were aware of them

 

[Leo123]

What “nuclear ambition”? They declared WMDs were incompatible with Islam. Did Bibi tell you about Iran’s imagery nuclear ambitions? None of our Intelligence Agencies were aware of them

The Mullahs declare a lot of things. We know they were enriching Uranium past the point of using it for electrical generation. Stop with the anti Jew talk.

 

[dblack]

A lot of democrats were seemingly involved. Not sure if a lot of Trump's friends.


Good excuse for what?

Covering up the Epstein debacle.

The real victims here are those girls.

I disagree. Their story is tragic, but if prominent, powerful people are being blackmailed - it's doing far more damage and is a genuine national security issue. But it doesn't sound like that's even been investigated. The FBI and CIA could clear this up pretty easily. They could say - "Over the years, we investigated Epstein several times and found no indications of blackmail, no evidence that he was working with foreign intelligence, or selling dirt on his clients"... But they never say anything like that. Was there even an investigation? Or do they know exactly what was going on? Did they always know what was going on?

Everyone is fixated on naughty men diddling teen girls, but the real damage is the obvious honeypot Epstein was running.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Please explain because I would think that even you would admit that this whole Iranian war game of Deal Or No Deal is getting WAYYYY out of hand.

Swimming Upstream in a Drain Pipe

Trump is stuck in a dreary Terminal America Tradition.

 

[BluesLegend]

The Mullahs declare a lot of things. We know they were enriching Uranium past the point of using it for electrical generation. Stop with the anti Jew talk.

Let's cut to the end...

Khamenei Junior must approve any deal and Trump killed his father, his wife and son in the opening strike. Come on does anyone honestly think the guy is going to stick to a deal after that? He's a murderous POS but even I would be out for 10x revenge.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

put enough troops into harm's way to effect an outcome he demands.


This is the one area where he can't credibly blame anyone else; he has to take responsibility for the negative outcomes (aka deaths of soldiers)...and he's too chicken sh!t to do it.

Air Power Won't Get the Job Done

Ground troops have to eliminate all the spotters on the entire Iranian shore. Many small naval boats (nationalize the Coast Guard) have to eliminate Iranians laying mines in the Strait of Hormuz.

 

[candycorn]

^^^Example of mindless parroting. Grew up in front of a TV.

I’m parroting your lord Trump fukface....this is what HE promised....Perhaps don’t make promises you can’t keep.

 

[candycorn]

No, I'm just asking why it suddenly behooves Trump to crack this Epstein case wide open when Joe Biden was never even asked, nor Obumma. But now it is a red light emergency? Worse, that somehow Trump is embroiled in the center of it?

So, Dr. Toobfreak (you did become a doctor right--you said you were studying medicine at the age of 5)....I thought your blob was supposed to be better than Biden.....

Are you saying that a “Biden level” of performance is acceptable to you?

Because that is what you just indicated....

 

[candycorn]

The difference is we are no longer being threatened by Iran's nuclear ambitions.

We never were.

Apparently 'death to America' spoken by the Mullahs you saw as no threat.

Wow...you mean someone threatened us...so the answer is to bomb the shit out of them? They’ve been saying that for decades....and for about 4 years between 2017 and 2021...your blob didn’t do much bombing over there.... Suddenly it was important? Your blob didn’t see much of a threat for those 4 years....

Do I have to really go through the decades of threats, hostage taking, killing etc. that the Mullahs have done to US? How are some of you so blind to that all of the sudden? Is it 'Orange Man Bad?'

No doubt they are a bad actor. However if you were honest, you’d admit that most of the time that was in response to a move we made. From our standpoint, I agree that they were necessary moves. But from their standpoint (which would be our standpoint if we were the ones being attacked--like we were on 9/11), it wasn’t justified.

 

[Leo123]

Let's cut to the end...

Khamenei Junior must approve any deal and Trump killed his father, his wife and son in the opening strike. Come on does anyone honestly think the guy is going to stick to a deal after that? He's a murderous POS but even I would be out for 10x revenge.

The IRGC is running the regime. They have the weapons. K jr is a figurehead only. He lacks the automatic authority of his father. The Revolutionary Guards have assumed more authority after the killing of Ali Khamenei. The Revolutionary Guards are constructed to survive even after a decapitation of their leadership.

But then America has it's knee on them.

 

[toobfreak]

But it doesn't sound like that's even been investigated. The FBI and CIA could clear this up pretty easily. They could say - "Over the years, we investigated Epstein several times and found no indications of blackmail, no evidence that he was working with foreign intelligence, or selling dirt on his clients"... But they never say anything like that. Was there even an investigation? Or do they know exactly what was going on? Did they always know what was going on?

So then the real tragedy here is bigger than just the girls abused but the fact that they likely were all abused by an insider ring of rich people including people within the government who all knew they'd get away with it because they were basically above the law, above the law because they held the leash of the investigators.

Which explains why Obumma didn't do anything, why Biden didn't do anything, and why nothing is happening now despite Trump having at least released the files.

We'll call it "judicial hysteresis."