Trump Pros and Cons

[ChristisKing]

First, let me thank you for engaging with the premise. I'm aware it puts you in an uncomfortable spot and that deserves respect.

It also leads me to believe that my assessment of you is correct, not as a criticism, but in the sense that you are an honest person who truly believes what they say. I value that.

So let me answer your question honestly.

You can't know.

There's a reason courts require proof beyond reasonable doubt. Absolute certainty is nearly unachievable, you can find ways to doubt almost any evidence. You could say the five witnesses all lied, and that the burglar was just trying to sound tough. A defense lawyer's entire job is essentially that. So the standard used is whether that doubt is reasonable. If it isn't, you convict.

Which brings me to why your answer is so telling. You'd convict a stranger and send him to jail on this level of evidence, yet that same evidence isn't enough for you to judge Trump.

The question worth sitting with isn't what I think of Trump. It's whether you're applying the same standard to him that you'd apply to anyone else, and if not, whether you can honestly justify that.
I think you already know the answer.

I never said that if I was on the jury I wouldn't convict Trump based upon the evidence I've seen and heard, I just said that I don't want to personally get involved because all of the he said she said stuff is difficult for me to follow.

Yeah, we as a nation did fight for a country where we can worship God, but there's only one problem. Trump appears to hate God and worships Allah. Even if the second part was just words, Trump definitely isn't a Christian.

 

[dblack]

His past is shadier than even the never-Trumpers know about.

That makes sense. Most of us are a hard "no" on Trump, before we ever worry about dark secrets. His public persona is revolting enough.

 

[JohnDB]

Yeah, we as a nation did fight for a country where we can worship God, but there's only one problem. Trump appears to hate God and worships Allah. Even if the second part was just words, Trump definitely isn't a Christian.

This is a nation founded by Christians for Christians. Even the Declaration of Independence was a document that declared how King George was behaving in an unchristian fashion and possibly could be the Antichrist without directly claiming those things....because to do so would be a sin of false accusation just like Satan Himself.

Now that doesn't mean that the office of President must be filled by a Christian. Because plenty of people use their "forgiven" status as a license to commit all sorts of evil. The heathen only have their reputation to rely upon in a Christian environment. So they may tend to behave with more integrity than supposed Christians will. They aren't forgiven for their indiscretions so they don't do them to begin with. (Plenty of case studies to back me up on this including in scriptures)

The term "Allah" is Arabic for "God". It's used quite often in Arabic translations of the Bible. Muslims do not own the word....lol....but I do understand the connotation of what someone means when they say it.
That being said....Trump pays lip service to religion. Paula White is known in Christian circles as being shallow, vain, greedy and absolutely worthless as a spiritual leader. She is a religious opportunist rather than a true spiritual leader appointed by God. He really doesn't listen to a thing she has to say.

I'd dare say that Trump believes in nothing but himself. But he is not so dumb as to publicly insult those who do.

 

[SaxonJackson]

This is a nation founded by Christians for Christians. Even the Declaration of Independence was a document that declared how King George was behaving in an unchristian fashion and possibly could be the Antichrist without directly claiming those things....because to do so would be a sin of false accusation just like Satan Himself.

Now that doesn't mean that the office of President must be filled by a Christian. Because plenty of people use their "forgiven" status as a license to commit all sorts of evil. The heathen only have their reputation to rely upon in a Christian environment. So they may tend to behave with more integrity than supposed Christians will. They aren't forgiven for their indiscretions so they don't do them to begin with. (Plenty of case studies to back me up on this including in scriptures)

The term "Allah" is Arabic for "God". It's used quite often in Arabic translations of the Bible. Muslims do not own the word....lol....but I do understand the connotation of what someone means when they say it.
That being said....Trump pays lip service to religion. Paula White is known in Christian circles as being shallow, vain, greedy and absolutely worthless as a spiritual leader. She is a religious opportunist rather than a true spiritual leader appointed by God. He really doesn't listen to a thing she has to say.

I'd dare say that Trump believes in nothing but himself. But he is not so dumb as to publicly insult those who do.

Very well said!! Couldn't agree more.

 

[dblack]

This is a nation founded by Christians for Christians.

Nope

I'd dare say that Trump believes in nothing but himself. But he is not so dumb as to publicly insult those who do.

He isn't??

 

[JohnDB]

Nope


He isn't??

You are deluded if you believe otherwise from what I've said.

 

[dblack]

You are deluded if you believe otherwise from what I've said.

Well, I'm sure anyone who disagrees with you is "deluded". But Trump is very definitely stupid enough to insult his supporters. He does it daily.

 

[JohnDB]

Well, I'm sure anyone who disagrees with you is "deluded". But Trump is very definitely stupid enough to insult his supporters. He does it daily.

Ummm
Either stop with the sock puppet rhetoric or I'm going to put you on ignore list like I'm sure hundreds of others have.

So either back up your claims with some sort of reasonable evidence or bow out gracefully from a battle of wits as you find yourself unarmed.

 

[dblack]

Ummm
Either stop with the sock puppet rhetoric or I'm going to put you on ignore list like I'm sure hundreds of others have.

Please do!

So either back up your claims with some sort of reasonable evidence or bow out gracefully from a battle of wits as you find yourself unarmed.

I didn't make any claims, dipshit. You did. You claimed the US was created "for Christians", and that's just not true.

 

[ChristisKing]

This is a nation founded by Christians for Christians. Even the Declaration of Independence was a document that declared how King George was behaving in an unchristian fashion and possibly could be the Antichrist without directly claiming those things....because to do so would be a sin of false accusation just like Satan Himself.

Now that doesn't mean that the office of President must be filled by a Christian. Because plenty of people use their "forgiven" status as a license to commit all sorts of evil. The heathen only have their reputation to rely upon in a Christian environment. So they may tend to behave with more integrity than supposed Christians will. They aren't forgiven for their indiscretions so they don't do them to begin with. (Plenty of case studies to back me up on this including in scriptures)

The term "Allah" is Arabic for "God". It's used quite often in Arabic translations of the Bible. Muslims do not own the word....lol....but I do understand the connotation of what someone means when they say it.
That being said....Trump pays lip service to religion. Paula White is known in Christian circles as being shallow, vain, greedy and absolutely worthless as a spiritual leader. She is a religious opportunist rather than a true spiritual leader appointed by God. He really doesn't listen to a thing she has to say.

I'd dare say that Trump believes in nothing but himself. But he is not so dumb as to publicly insult those who do.

No but he sure publicly insults Jesus but I know that Jesus can take care of Himself. Whether or not Trump makes a good president for me these days the jury is still out,... However that's not going to mean a darn thing when he is face to face with our maker because as I told you before that's not what gets a person into Heaven.

 

[ChristisKing]

I didn't make any claims, dipshit. You did. You claimed the US was created "for Christians", and that's just not true.

America was founded under God as a Christian nation and don't call my friend a dipshit!! I was just starting to like you but when you insult my friends I take it personally.

 

[JohnDB]

Please do!

I didn't make any claims, dipshit. You did. You claimed the US was created "for Christians", and that's just not true.

Ummmm....
Land was originally settled by "Pilgrims" which is synonymous with "Missionaries". Which the whole concept behind "Thanksgiving " with inviting the indigenous population was actually the ultimate goal.

And as far as the 13 colonies....
Instead of just one colony there were 13 of them all aligned by their unique various religious beliefs. Even The names of cities are in keeping with these notions.

Europe was a mush mash of guerrilla warfare between the various denominations. King George himself was the Pope/leader of the Episcopalian Church. Those battles continued on in the American land. Virginia Baptists, Pennsylvania Dutch/Lutherans and Quakers and etc. A "Deist" was a person who did not subscribe to any particular denomination. But by no means did not have any resemblance to a complete unbeliever.
Atheists often point to Benjamin Franklin as being a Deist but really as a secret atheist. However the very first paragraph in his Autobiography should dispel any such notion. The rest of his autobiography tells of his struggles with faith and how he came to believe that God had been right all along even if he didn't believe the denominations and that he needed to take up arms against his King. Benjamin had a secret Bible he read at night as particular denominations believed only in certain translations and reading others was tantamount to declaration of war against other Christians.

So.....you got something other than "no, because I listened to and believed rhetoric" ?

 

[dblack]

So.....you got something other than "no, because I listened to and believed rhetoric" ?

Yeah. I got "no, because I read history".

 

[ChristisKing]

You know this name calling when somebody provides facts has got to stop. I don't care what party you're from, it just looks stupid.

 

[dblack]

America was founded under God as a Christian nation and don't call my friend a dipshit!! I was just starting to like you but when you insult my friends I take it personally.

Whichever. I'm not going to listen revisionist history.

 

[JohnDB]

Yeah. I got "no, because I read history".

Bye-bye

 

[IDIOCRACY]

he is against the epstein files because he is IN the epstein files. donny appears more times that jesus' name in the bible.

anyways, you can ask yourself why epstein's convicted whore pimp/GF named ghislaine maxwell, convicted & sentenced to 20 years in a federal prison talks to donny's (now) AG, todd blanche in that prison, & poof was magically transferred to a country club place where she now has great food & a puppy.

hmmmm.... think, girl.

Tds got u down

 

[SeaMajor7]

OP needed three separate threads to say the same damn thing.

 

[dblack]

Ummmm....
Land was originally settled by "Pilgrims" which is synonymous with "Missionaries".

No. In their context, it was synonymous with "refugee". The Pilgrims were escaping persecution from a government that was dictating religious practices.

The US was created by refugees, for refugees. That's been the driving spirit of our country for over 200 years. ""Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free ..."

You all want to change that, to turn the US into "gated community" - the opposite of what we've always stood for.

 

[ChristisKing]

OP needed three separate threads to say the same damn thing.

How so? This is what I like and dislike about Trump?