Trump Lied?

[Road Runner]

I was looking up the presidential records act and from what I'm reading it looks like the documents are the government's property not his. However, I have a little reading comprehension issues so I could be (and hopefully I am) wrong. I don't know much about legal stuff either I admit. I also wasn't sure if he could testify at his own trial.

Trump: 'I'm Allowed to Do Whatever I Want' With Classified Info

Donald Trump said he "absolutely" plans to testify in the classified documents legal case, telling Hugh Hewitt, "I'm allowed to do everything I did."

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The Presidential Records Act | National Archives

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[Rambunctious]

Everyone agrees that the president has soul authority to declassify... look at the archives folks today... refusing to turn over evidence of Biden's fake names and emails... so we now can see where those clowns align themselves.... they set Trump up big time....

 

[elektra]

Some are, some are not. And even if some are the governments, the Presidential Records Act allows presidents to keep classified documents.

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[Road Runner]

Well even if it isn't legal, what's being done to Biden for doing exactly the same thing that Trump did?

 

[Independent thinker]

I was looking up the presidential records act and from what I'm reading it looks like the documents are the government's property not his. However, I have a little reading comprehension issues so I could be (and hopefully I am) wrong. I don't know much about legal stuff either I admit. I also wasn't sure if he could testify at his own trial.

Trump: 'I'm Allowed to Do Whatever I Want' With Classified Info

Donald Trump said he "absolutely" plans to testify in the classified documents legal case, telling Hugh Hewitt, "I'm allowed to do everything I did."

www.google.com

The Presidential Records Act | National Archives

www.archives.gov

It's all just a bunch of BS. One day it is ok for Trump and others to have classified documents in their homes. The next day it is not and is referred to as espionage. And, these people have classified documents in their heads and, apparently, that is alright, even though their heads are in their homes.

 

[candycorn]

Well even if it isn't legal, what's being done to Biden for doing exactly the same thing that Trump did?

Your issues extend far beyond reading comprehension. It is not close to being “exactly” the same thing shit brains.

 

[elektra]

Well even if it isn't legal, what's being done to Biden for doing exactly the same thing that Trump did?

Biden, as the Vice President does not have the same rights to records as a President. Biden broke the law. Trump is allowed the records to build his Presidential library.

 

[elektra]

Your issues extend far beyond reading comprehension. It is not close to being “exactly” the same thing shit brains.

you are right, the vice president broke the law, not having the same rights as the president

 

[Mac1958]

Your issues extend far beyond reading comprehension. It is not close to being “exactly” the same thing shit brains.

Evidently these folks don't know the whole story. The "hiding and moving and lying" part.

They're just not told the bad stuff in their world.

 

[Road Runner]

It's all just a bunch of BS. One day it is ok for Trump and others to have classified documents in their homes. The next day it is not and is referred to as espionage. And, these people have classified documents in their heads and, apparently, that is alright, even though their heads are in their homes.

But what about what the act actually says though? I'm just trying to understand this because I honestly don't believe that Trump would lie about this.

Biden, as the Vice President does not have the same rights to records as a President. Biden broke the law. Trump is allowed the records to build his Presidential library.

I thought that Biden was the "president?"

 

[Catsnmeters]

Everyone agrees that the president has soul authority to declassify... look at the archives folks today... refusing to turn over evidence of Biden's fake names and emails... so we now can see where those clowns align themselves.... they set Trump up big time....

Which of the indictments are predicated on classification status of the documents?

 

[candycorn]

you are right, the vice president broke the law, not having the same rights as the president

Trump didn’t declassify the records he had and refused to return them when they were requested. So he’s now been indicted.

So yes, I am correct. You should try it sometimes--being correct.

 

[candycorn]

I'm just trying to understand this because I honestly don't believe that Trump would lie about this.

 

[g5000]

I was looking up the presidential records act and from what I'm reading it looks like the documents are the government's property not his. However, I have a little reading comprehension issues so I could be (and hopefully I am) wrong. I don't know much about legal stuff either I admit. I also wasn't sure if he could testify at his own trial.

Trump: 'I'm Allowed to Do Whatever I Want' With Classified Info

Donald Trump said he "absolutely" plans to testify in the classified documents legal case, telling Hugh Hewitt, "I'm allowed to do everything I did."

www.google.com

The Presidential Records Act | National Archives

www.archives.gov

Yes, it is a fact. Presidential records become government property the day the President leaves office. The PRA is very clear and very plain about that fact.

A former President may request access to the records after he leaves office, for purposes of writing a memoir or whatnot. But he cannot just run off with them before turning them over to the proper owner.

 

[g5000]

Everyone agrees that the president has soul authority to declassify.

Sole. Not soul.

And you really need to spend just TEN SECONDS to think about how stupid what you are saying is.

A President cannot just willy-nilly take it upon himself to declassify information which could cause extremely grave damage to America.

 

[BackAgain]

I was looking up the presidential records act and from what I'm reading it looks like the documents are the government's property not his. However, I have a little reading comprehension issues so I could be (and hopefully I am) wrong. I don't know much about legal stuff either I admit. I also wasn't sure if he could testify at his own trial.

Trump: 'I'm Allowed to Do Whatever I Want' With Classified Info

Donald Trump said he "absolutely" plans to testify in the classified documents legal case, telling Hugh Hewitt, "I'm allowed to do everything I did."

www.google.com

The Presidential Records Act | National Archives

www.archives.gov

The Presidential Record Act is basically silent on who makes the determination on which documents are Presidential Records and Which are private papers. It seems to imply that the decision is made by the President.

So, no. I don’t believe he lied. Reasonable people can and do disagree with any decision he made about certain papers not being Presidential Records. That’s fair. But it isn’t a fair basis to say that he “liked.”

As to whether he testifies at his own trial, that’s entirely up to him. The 5th Amendment guarantees that the prosecution is not allowed to call him to testify. (They aren’t even permitted to comment on his decision not to testify).

But it is HIS right when the government elects to try him. He also has an absolute right to testify on his own behalf if he so chooses. Just as the government can’t call on him to testify, they have no authority or right to prevent him from testifying.

 

[g5000]

Some are, some are not. And even if some are the governments, the Presidential Records Act allows presidents to keep classified documents.

Nope. The PRA states very clearly the records are to be turned over to the government the day he leaves office.

AFTER which, he may have access to them.

You should try actually reading the PRA sometime before making such ignorant claims.

 

[Harry Dresden]

Your issues extend far beyond reading comprehension. It is not close to being “exactly” the same thing shit brains.

they both broke the law....

 

[g5000]

The Presidential Record Act is basically silent on who makes the determination on which documents are Presidential Records and Which are private papers. It seems to imply that the decision is made by the President.

Nope.

 

[g5000]

Presidential Records (44 U.S.C. Chapter 22) | National Archives

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§ 2202. Ownership of Presidential records

The United States shall reserve and retain complete ownership, possession, and control of Presidential records; and such records shall be administered in accordance with the provisions of this chapter.

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(g)(1) Upon the conclusion of a President's term of office, or if a President serves consecutive terms upon the conclusion of the last term, the Archivist of the United States shall assume responsibility for the custody, control, and preservation of, and access to, the Presidential records of that President. The Archivist shall have an affirmative duty to make such records available to the public as rapidly and completely as possible consistent with the provisions of this chapter.