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It's rational, not rationale.The basis for this thread is beyond rationale.
China REFUSED to allow the CDC entrance into the country to help contain the virus.
There is a sorrow among the left that Trump is finally weeding out the saboteurs. He should have done this week one.
It PROVES that it was done against Trumps wishes. That is the purpose of this thread. To find a way, any way, to place blame on Trump.Doesn't matter where the infected were brought back from ya idiot.The basis for this thread is beyond rationale.
China REFUSED to allow the CDC entrance into the country to help contain the virus.
Then the State Department brought back Americans against Trumps wishes.
Yet the LOONS on the left still find a way to blame Trump
They brought them back from the cruise ship in Japan not China LOON. What's wrong with Japanese hospitals. I don't believe for one minute Trump wasn't aware of what was going on since Mulvaney briefed him.
I gave you two legit links to prove you are WRONG and your response? *sticks head in sand*
If you're responding to me your links didn't prove the state department did not allow infected ones over CDC objections on Sunday Feb 16th that was all over every news stations and sites.
The entire CDC is what's supposed to handle this, The CDC is still around. Also you have USAMRIID involved in this as well.
What you are bitching about is one post on the NSC.
So why isn't the WH letting the CDC handle it? Seems when they overrode CDC's decision last week to leave those people in Japan and bring them back with at least 14 active cases the WH took over. If you want CDC to handle tell the fucking state department and WH to stay out.
Is there documented proof of this, or just more speculation via leaks?
You must be living in a bubble or missed one whole week of your life, was all over fox, cnn, abc all the internet new sites. Very much documented some went to Kelly AFB in Tx and some went to Travis in Ca. You look it up.
Their going there is documented, the reasoning behind it is based on someone saying X to Y and leaking it to Z and maybe W.
And I'm sure if they were kept in Japan you would be bitching about poor American citizens abandoned by their Country. Now instead you get to bitch about Trump killing us all by bringing them back and exposing us to them.
Nope wouldn't been bitching at all if they kept them. I originally responded to you saying the CDC can handle when in fact the WH overrode their decision to bring them back. They had agreed a week or so before that CDC would have the last word and they took that away from them. You need to stay up with these developments instead of getting your news from USMB.
I am not arguing the point of OP I'm arguing your point of the CDC should handle. That it was taken away from them.
Try to focus. The thread documents the dismantling and under-funding of our government's ability to respond to a public health crisis. If you have any evidence to the contrary please provide it. Otherwise, stop criticizing me for making assertions I have not made.It PROVES that it was done against Trumps wishes. That is the purpose of this thread. To find a way, any way, to place blame on Trump.
Wow, look at all the dumb-asses who think that post was funny.When Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, the director-general of the World Health Organization (WHO), declared the Wuhan coronavirus a public health emergency of international concern on Thursday, he praised China for taking “unprecedented” steps to control the deadly virus. “I have never seen for myself this kind of mobilization,” he noted. “China is actually setting a new standard for outbreak response.”
The epidemic control efforts unfolding today in China—including placing some 100 million citizens on lockdown, shutting down a national holiday, building enormous quarantine hospitals in days’ time, and ramping up 24-hour manufacturing of medical equipment—are indeed gargantuan. It’s impossible to watch them without wondering, “What would we do? How would my government respond if this virus spread across my country?”
For the United States, the answers are especially worrying because the government has intentionally rendered itself incapable. In 2018, the Trump administration fired the government’s entire pandemic response chain of command, including the White House management infrastructure. In numerous phone calls and emails with key agencies across the U.S. government, the only consistent response I encountered was distressed confusion. If the United States still has a clear chain of command for pandemic response, the White House urgently needs to clarify what it is, not just for the public but for the government itself, which largely finds itself in the dark.
When Ebola broke out in West Africa in 2014, President Barack Obama recognized that responding to the outbreak overseas, while also protecting Americans at home, involved multiple U.S. government departments and agencies, none of which were speaking to one another. Basically, the U.S. pandemic infrastructure was an enormous orchestra full of talented, egotistical players, each jockeying for solos and fame, refusing to rehearse, and demanding higher salaries—all without a conductor. To bring order and harmony to the chaos, rein in the agency egos, and create a coherent multiagency response overseas and on the homefront, Obama anointed a former vice presidential staffer, Ronald Klain, as a sort of “epidemic czar” inside the White House, clearly stipulated the roles and budgets of various agencies, and placed incident commanders in charge in each Ebola-hit country and inside the United States. The orchestra may have still had its off-key instruments, but it played the same tune.
Building on the Ebola experience, the Obama administration set up a permanent epidemic monitoring and command group inside the White House National Security Council (NSC) and another in the Department of Homeland Security (DHS)—both of which followed the scientific and public health leads of the National Institutes of Health (NIH) and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and the diplomatic advice of the State Department.
Trump Has Sabotaged America’s Coronavirus Response
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So, the obvious question is why? Why dismantle the government's response chain of command to a potentially devastating health risk to the nation? Because it was Obama's initiative that created it. Perhaps that is why when Capt. Incompetence is asked about our preparedness he gives the kind of ignorant, vacuous answer he gives to so many complex issues, "we've got it under control." Really?
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The headquarters of the nation’s intelligence apparatus roiled with the ouster of the acting director Joseph Maguire and his replacement by a sharp partisan amid a dispute over Russian election interference. The Justice Department remained on edge with whispers of further resignations, including perhaps even that of Attorney General William P. Barr, after the president’s intervention in a case involving one of his friends. Witnesses from the impeachment inquiry into Mr. Trump have been summarily dismissed. Dozens of policy experts have been cleared out of the National Security Council staff as part of a restructuring that will mean fewer career professionals in range of the president. A deputy national security adviser dogged by innuendo about disloyalty was exiled to the Energy Department. A Trump appointee’s nomination for a top Treasury Department post was pulled. The No. 3 official at the Defense Department was shown the door.
And Johnny McEntee, a 29-year-old loyalist just installed to take over the Office of Presidential Personnel and reporting directly to Mr. Trump, has ordered a freeze on all political appointments across the government. He also convened a meeting to instruct departments to search for people not devoted to the president so they can be removed, according to people briefed about the session, and informed colleagues that he planned to tell cabinet secretaries that the White House would be choosing their deputies from now on.
But career professionals are not the only ones in the cross hairs. Also facing scrutiny are Republican political appointees considered insufficiently committed to the president or suspected of not aggressively advancing his agenda.
Allies of the president say he should be free to make personnel changes, even if it amounts to shedding people who are not seen as loyal to Mr. Trump.
“It is not unusual at all that these types of assessments are done and thereafter changes are made,” said Bradley A. Blakeman, a Republican strategist and former White House official under President George W. Bush.
Nonetheless, the tumult and anxiety come at a time when the Trump administration confronts enormous challenges, including the coronavirus outbreak, Iranian and North Korean nuclear development and Russian determination to play a role again in America’s next election. Democrats, for example, have expressed concerns about the administration’s ability to respond if there were a severe coronavirus outbreak in the United States, noting that a global health security expert position on the National Security Council has been left vacant for almost two years.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/22/us/politics/trump-disloyalty-turnover.html
You're kidding, right?There is no reason to believe he is not on top of it.You would think, with Trump being such a germaphobe, he would be on top of this
So why isn't the WH letting the CDC handle it? Seems when they overrode CDC's decision last week to leave those people in Japan and bring them back with at least 14 active cases the WH took over. If you want CDC to handle tell the fucking state department and WH to stay out.
Is there documented proof of this, or just more speculation via leaks?
You must be living in a bubble or missed one whole week of your life, was all over fox, cnn, abc all the internet new sites. Very much documented some went to Kelly AFB in Tx and some went to Travis in Ca. You look it up.
Their going there is documented, the reasoning behind it is based on someone saying X to Y and leaking it to Z and maybe W.
And I'm sure if they were kept in Japan you would be bitching about poor American citizens abandoned by their Country. Now instead you get to bitch about Trump killing us all by bringing them back and exposing us to them.
Nope wouldn't been bitching at all if they kept them. I originally responded to you saying the CDC can handle when in fact the WH overrode their decision to bring them back. They had agreed a week or so before that CDC would have the last word and they took that away from them. You need to stay up with these developments instead of getting your news from USMB.
I am not arguing the point of OP I'm arguing your point of the CDC should handle. That it was taken away from them.
The CDC can at best advise the actual policymakers, this goes back to the argument of civil service responsibilities as policy MAKERS vs policy EXECUTORS.
To me I would think bringing them back would be the best option, as long as proper quarantine procedures are used.
It PROVES that it was done against Trumps wishes. That is the purpose of this thread. To find a way, any way, to place blame on Trump.Doesn't matter where the infected were brought back from ya idiot.The basis for this thread is beyond rationale.
China REFUSED to allow the CDC entrance into the country to help contain the virus.
Then the State Department brought back Americans against Trumps wishes.
Yet the LOONS on the left still find a way to blame Trump
They brought them back from the cruise ship in Japan not China LOON. What's wrong with Japanese hospitals. I don't believe for one minute Trump wasn't aware of what was going on since Mulvaney briefed him.
I gave you two legit links to prove you are WRONG and your response? *sticks head in sand*
If you're responding to me your links didn't prove the state department did not allow infected ones over CDC objections on Sunday Feb 16th that was all over every news stations and sites.
It's ridiculous on every level. China is a walled off county that requires permission for entry. So that debunks the premise of this thread.
Since you clearly realize that you are attempting to move the goal posts to the people on the cruise ship that were flown back. The fact of the matter is the state department was authorized to bring them home IF THEY TESTED NEGATIVE. The ones infected were not know about until after the state department arrived and they made an ON SITE DECISION to bring them anyways WITHOUT authorization.
Your news source is misleading you at best and probably just outright lying to you at worst.
oh shut up. you haven't a clue what you're talking about. just more trump hate. fk you. Stupid thread. there's nothing you can prove.Try to focus. The thread documents the dismantling and under-funding of our government's ability to respond to a public health crisis. If you have any evidence to the contrary please provide it.stupid thread.
oh for fk sake. I grow tired of this insanity from you orangemanbad fks."Public health advocates have been ringing alarm bells to no avail. Klain has been warning for two years that the United States was in grave danger should a pandemic emerge. In 2017 and 2018, the philanthropist billionaire Bill Gates met repeatedly with Bolton and his predecessor, H.R. McMaster, warning that ongoing cuts to the global health disease infrastructure would render the United States vulnerable to, as he put it, the “significant probability of a large and lethal modern-day pandemic occurring in our lifetimes.” And an independent, bipartisan panel formed by the Center for Strategic and International Studies concluded that lack of preparedness was so acute in the Trump administration that the “United States must either pay now and gain protection and security or wait for the next epidemic and pay a much greater price in human and economic costs.”
The next epidemic is now here; we’ll soon know the costs imposed by the Trump administration’s early negligence and present panic. On Jan. 29, Trump announced the creation of the President’s Coronavirus Task Force, an all-male group of a dozen advisors, five from the White House staff. Chaired by Secretary of Health and Human Services Alex Azar, the task force includes men from the CDC, State Department, DHS, the Office of Management and Budget, and the Transportation Department. It’s not clear how this task force will function or when it will even convene."
The factual evidence is irrefutable.
George Conway
@gtconway3d
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I supported and voted for Donald Trump in 2016. I was angry at Never Trumpers for opposing him and not giving him a chance. But their predictions about him turned out to be chillingly correct—indeed, perhaps understated how bad he’d be. I apologize to them, as you should.
George Conway
@gtconway3d
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I supported and voted for Donald Trump in 2016. I was angry at Never Trumpers for opposing him and not giving him a chance. But their predictions about him turned out to be chillingly correct—indeed, perhaps understated how bad he’d be. I apologize to them, as you should.
Trumps approval rating is the highest it's ever been.George Conway
@gtconway3d
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I supported and voted for Donald Trump in 2016. I was angry at Never Trumpers for opposing him and not giving him a chance. But their predictions about him turned out to be chillingly correct—indeed, perhaps understated how bad he’d be. I apologize to them, as you should.
That is a reactive, not a proactive policy.No one is blaming Trump for the creation of the virus. But nice try at deflection.China CREATES a biological weapon and loses control of it.
Leave it to the loons to find a pretzel path to Trump.
"As the US health care system watches the ongoing coronavirus epidemic in China and braces for a potential local outbreak, President Trump is looking to cut funding for public health preparedness programs.
The administration’s proposed 2021 budget for the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) cuts $25 million from the Office of Public Health Preparedness and Response and $18 million from the Hospital Preparedness Program. The administration also asked for over $85 million in cuts to the Emerging and Zoonotic Infectious Diseases program.
“To be clear, these programs are already underfunded,” tweeted Nicolette Louissaint, executive director of Healthcare Ready, a nonprofit that works to make health care supply chains more resilient."
Trump asked for $1.8b to prepare for a coronavirus outbreak. Stop whining about a few small budget cuts.
When this response spins up it will dwarf those small cuts.
"In May 2018, Trump ordered the NSC’s entire global health security unit shut down, calling for reassignment of Rear Adm. Timothy Ziemer and dissolution of his team inside the agency. The month before, then-White House National Security Advisor John Bolton pressured Ziemer’s DHS counterpart, Tom Bossert, to resign along with his team. Neither the NSC nor DHS epidemic teams have been replaced. The global health section of the CDC was so drastically cut in 2018 that much of its staff was laid off and the number of countries it was working in was reduced from 49 to merely 10. Meanwhile, throughout 2018, the U.S. Agency for International Development and its director, Mark Green, came repeatedly under fire from both the White House and Secretary of State Mike Pompeo. And though Congress has so far managed to block Trump administration plans to cut the U.S. Public Health Service Commissioned Corps by 40 percent, the disease-fighting cadres have steadily eroded as retiring officers go unreplaced."
