Trump Has Sabotaged America’s Coronavirus Response

[kyzr]

The basis for this thread is beyond rationale.

China REFUSED to allow the CDC entrance into the country to help contain the virus.

It's rational, not rationale.

Try to focus. The thread documents the dismantling and under-funding of our government's ability to respond to a public health crisis. If you have any evidence to the contrary please provide it. Otherwise, stop criticizing me for making assertions I have not made.

You have not proved the point that the current $1.8b is less effective than continually funding small Federal bureaucracies.

 

[Manonthestreet]

Someone board this guy's house up so he's safe.

"Bureaucracy matters. Without it, there’s nothing to coherently manage an alphabet soup of agencies housed in departments ranging from Defense to Commerce, Homeland Security to Health and Human Services (HHS).

But that’s all gone now.

In the spring of 2018, the White House pushed Congress to cut funding for Obama-era disease security programs, proposing to eliminate $252 million in previously committed resources for rebuilding health systems in Ebola-ravaged Liberia, Sierra Leone, and Guinea. Under fire from both sides of the aisle, President Donald Trump dropped the proposal to eliminate Ebola funds a month later. But other White House efforts included reducing $15 billion in national health spending and cutting the global disease-fighting operational budgets of the CDC, NSC, DHS, and HHS. And the government’s $30 million Complex Crises Fund was eliminated."

Trumpette's, due to their inability to respond with thoughtful replies, instead rely on gratuitous insults. It's how they roll.

Spoken like true big govt acolyte. Did you your beloved State Dept flew infected citizens back with uninfected ones over the objection of the CDC?

 

[berg80]

Trumps approval rating is the highest it's ever been.

Why would you bring up Trump supporter's idiocy as a defense for Don's documented neglect of our ability to respond to a pandemic?

 

[jc456]

China CREATES a biological weapon and loses control of it.

Leave it to the loons to find a pretzel path to Trump.

No one is blaming Trump for the creation of the virus. But nice try at deflection.

"As the US health care system watches the ongoing coronavirus epidemic in China and braces for a potential local outbreak, President Trump is looking to cut funding for public health preparedness programs.

The administration’s proposed 2021 budget for the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) cuts $25 million from the Office of Public Health Preparedness and Response and $18 million from the Hospital Preparedness Program. The administration also asked for over $85 million in cuts to the Emerging and Zoonotic Infectious Diseases program.

“To be clear, these programs are already underfunded,” tweeted Nicolette Louissaint, executive director of Healthcare Ready, a nonprofit that works to make health care supply chains more resilient."

Trump asked for $1.8b to prepare for a coronavirus outbreak. Stop whining about a few small budget cuts.
When this response spins up it will dwarf those small cuts.

That is a reactive, not a proactive policy.

"In May 2018, Trump ordered the NSC’s entire global health security unit shut down, calling for reassignment of Rear Adm. Timothy Ziemer and dissolution of his team inside the agency. The month before, then-White House National Security Advisor John Bolton pressured Ziemer’s DHS counterpart, Tom Bossert, to resign along with his team. Neither the NSC nor DHS epidemic teams have been replaced. The global health section of the CDC was so drastically cut in 2018 that much of its staff was laid off and the number of countries it was working in was reduced from 49 to merely 10. Meanwhile, throughout 2018, the U.S. Agency for International Development and its director, Mark Green, came repeatedly under fire from both the White House and Secretary of State Mike Pompeo. And though Congress has so far managed to block Trump administration plans to cut the U.S. Public Health Service Commissioned Corps by 40 percent, the disease-fighting cadres have steadily eroded as retiring officers go unreplaced."

Trump needs to cut down the Federal government's size and staffing.
Why pay bureaucrats to sit around and wait for an epidemic to show up when you can hire the expertise if and when needed?
You're whining about a good move by Trump. Occasional outbreaks, like ebola, or coronavirus can be handled like the occasional emergency they are. You haven't made the point that the $1.8b Trump just requested is less effective than the prior budget cuts.
Take a fucking nerve pill and stop whining about non-problems.
A well regulated quarantine system can save billions in the long run.

again, the flu kills more people every year.

 

[jc456]

Someone board this guy's house up so he's safe.

"Bureaucracy matters. Without it, there’s nothing to coherently manage an alphabet soup of agencies housed in departments ranging from Defense to Commerce, Homeland Security to Health and Human Services (HHS).

But that’s all gone now.

In the spring of 2018, the White House pushed Congress to cut funding for Obama-era disease security programs, proposing to eliminate $252 million in previously committed resources for rebuilding health systems in Ebola-ravaged Liberia, Sierra Leone, and Guinea. Under fire from both sides of the aisle, President Donald Trump dropped the proposal to eliminate Ebola funds a month later. But other White House efforts included reducing $15 billion in national health spending and cutting the global disease-fighting operational budgets of the CDC, NSC, DHS, and HHS. And the government’s $30 million Complex Crises Fund was eliminated."

Trumpette's, due to their inability to respond with thoughtful replies, instead rely on gratuitous insults. It's how they roll.

Spoken like true big govt acolyte. Did you your beloved State Dept flew infected citizens back with uninfected ones over the objection of the CDC?

what's funny is that same jamoke will bitch when his taxes go up or his healthcare costs. once one like him gets over the hump to stupid, one doesn't ever come back.

 

[kyzr]

George Conway

@gtconway3d
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I supported and voted for Donald Trump in 2016. I was angry at Never Trumpers for opposing him and not giving him a chance. But their predictions about him turned out to be chillingly correct—indeed, perhaps understated how bad he’d be. I apologize to them, as you should.

How about a few reasons why the Never-Trumpers are right and Trump is wrong?
So you're a socialist and a Bernie supporter now? Your rationale' doesn't make sense.

 

[Hellokitty]

The basis for this thread is beyond rationale.

China REFUSED to allow the CDC entrance into the country to help contain the virus.

It's rational, not rationale.

Try to focus. The thread documents the dismantling and under-funding of our government's ability to respond to a public health crisis. If you have any evidence to the contrary please provide it. Otherwise, stop criticizing me for making assertions I have not made.

What specifically isn't being done by the US to handle the crisis that could only have been done by having an epidemic czar?

 

[RealDave]

You would think, with Trump being such a germaphobe, he would be on top of this

I think he should visit the hospitals in China & check it out. Maybe send Mikey.

 

[Aldo Raine]

You would think, with Trump being such a germaphobe, he would be on top of this

Hell then you would think he wouldn't have unprotected sex with people in the sex business. Just sayin!!!!!

 

[martybegan]

Is there documented proof of this, or just more speculation via leaks?

You must be living in a bubble or missed one whole week of your life, was all over fox, cnn, abc all the internet new sites. Very much documented some went to Kelly AFB in Tx and some went to Travis in Ca. You look it up.

Their going there is documented, the reasoning behind it is based on someone saying X to Y and leaking it to Z and maybe W.

And I'm sure if they were kept in Japan you would be bitching about poor American citizens abandoned by their Country. Now instead you get to bitch about Trump killing us all by bringing them back and exposing us to them.

Nope wouldn't been bitching at all if they kept them. I originally responded to you saying the CDC can handle when in fact the WH overrode their decision to bring them back. They had agreed a week or so before that CDC would have the last word and they took that away from them. You need to stay up with these developments instead of getting your news from USMB.

I am not arguing the point of OP I'm arguing your point of the CDC should handle. That it was taken away from them.

The CDC can at best advise the actual policymakers, this goes back to the argument of civil service responsibilities as policy MAKERS vs policy EXECUTORS.

To me I would think bringing them back would be the best option, as long as proper quarantine procedures are used.

These are among the ones that already have it and yes they are quarantined but did you read all they flew all those people back? If you're diagnosed in such a country as Japan I say keep them if it's a third world country then fly them directly to the high containment hospital in Nebraska.

CDC: Six total coronavirus cases confirmed in San Antonio

They are all from the cruise ship, not from San Antonio, the misleading headline is an example of the panic driven nature of the reporting on this.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

Trumps approval rating is the highest it's ever been.

Why would you bring up Trump supporter's idiocy as a defense for Don's documented neglect of our ability to respond to a pandemic?

Back atcha. Why would you bring up a TDS pretend Republican?

 

[RealDave]

The basis for this thread is beyond rationale.

China REFUSED to allow the CDC entrance into the country to help contain the virus.

It's rational, not rationale.

Try to focus. The thread documents the dismantling and under-funding of our government's ability to respond to a public health crisis. If you have any evidence to the contrary please provide it. Otherwise, stop criticizing me for making assertions I have not made.

What specifically isn't being done by the US to handle the crisis that could only have been done by having an epidemic czar?

What is being done?

We can no longer believe anything that comes out of this administration.

Do we have facilities ready to handle a pandemic? Do we have a stockpile of supplies? Where would the sick go? How would they be transported?

 

[Aldo Raine]

China CREATES a biological weapon and loses control of it.

Leave it to the loons to find a pretzel path to Trump.

Wow, then they are very bad at it because the mortality rate isn't very good for a weapon.

 

[debbiedowner]

You must be living in a bubble or missed one whole week of your life, was all over fox, cnn, abc all the internet new sites. Very much documented some went to Kelly AFB in Tx and some went to Travis in Ca. You look it up.

Their going there is documented, the reasoning behind it is based on someone saying X to Y and leaking it to Z and maybe W.

And I'm sure if they were kept in Japan you would be bitching about poor American citizens abandoned by their Country. Now instead you get to bitch about Trump killing us all by bringing them back and exposing us to them.

Nope wouldn't been bitching at all if they kept them. I originally responded to you saying the CDC can handle when in fact the WH overrode their decision to bring them back. They had agreed a week or so before that CDC would have the last word and they took that away from them. You need to stay up with these developments instead of getting your news from USMB.

I am not arguing the point of OP I'm arguing your point of the CDC should handle. That it was taken away from them.

The CDC can at best advise the actual policymakers, this goes back to the argument of civil service responsibilities as policy MAKERS vs policy EXECUTORS.

To me I would think bringing them back would be the best option, as long as proper quarantine procedures are used.

These are among the ones that already have it and yes they are quarantined but did you read all they flew all those people back? If you're diagnosed in such a country as Japan I say keep them if it's a third world country then fly them directly to the high containment hospital in Nebraska.

CDC: Six total coronavirus cases confirmed in San Antonio

They are all from the cruise ship, not from San Antonio, the misleading headline is an example of the panic driven nature of the reporting on this.

I know they are all from the cruise ship. I guess I wasn't clear on my point.

 

[martybegan]

Their going there is documented, the reasoning behind it is based on someone saying X to Y and leaking it to Z and maybe W.

And I'm sure if they were kept in Japan you would be bitching about poor American citizens abandoned by their Country. Now instead you get to bitch about Trump killing us all by bringing them back and exposing us to them.

Nope wouldn't been bitching at all if they kept them. I originally responded to you saying the CDC can handle when in fact the WH overrode their decision to bring them back. They had agreed a week or so before that CDC would have the last word and they took that away from them. You need to stay up with these developments instead of getting your news from USMB.

I am not arguing the point of OP I'm arguing your point of the CDC should handle. That it was taken away from them.

The CDC can at best advise the actual policymakers, this goes back to the argument of civil service responsibilities as policy MAKERS vs policy EXECUTORS.

To me I would think bringing them back would be the best option, as long as proper quarantine procedures are used.

These are among the ones that already have it and yes they are quarantined but did you read all they flew all those people back? If you're diagnosed in such a country as Japan I say keep them if it's a third world country then fly them directly to the high containment hospital in Nebraska.

CDC: Six total coronavirus cases confirmed in San Antonio

They are all from the cruise ship, not from San Antonio, the misleading headline is an example of the panic driven nature of the reporting on this.

I know they are all from the cruise ship. I guess I wasn't clear on my point.

I am more commenting on the article headline. If you just read that it seems the transmission of the disease occurred in San Antonio.

 

[debbiedowner]

The basis for this thread is beyond rationale.

China REFUSED to allow the CDC entrance into the country to help contain the virus.

It's rational, not rationale.

Try to focus. The thread documents the dismantling and under-funding of our government's ability to respond to a public health crisis. If you have any evidence to the contrary please provide it. Otherwise, stop criticizing me for making assertions I have not made.

What specifically isn't being done by the US to handle the crisis that could only have been done by having an epidemic czar?

What is being done?

We can no longer believe anything that comes out of this administration.

Do we have facilities ready to handle a pandemic? Do we have a stockpile of supplies? Where would the sick go? How would they be transported?

I'll tell you what the health insurance companies are doing, the actuaries are figuring what rate increases will be for 2021 if and when billions of dollars of claims are paid out this year. They are figuring worst case scenarios.

 

[Lakhota]

When Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, the director-general of the World Health Organization (WHO), declared the Wuhan coronavirus a public health emergency of international concern on Thursday, he praised China for taking “unprecedented” steps to control the deadly virus. “I have never seen for myself this kind of mobilization,” he noted. “China is actually setting a new standard for outbreak response.”


The epidemic control efforts unfolding today in China—including placing some 100 million citizens on lockdown, shutting down a national holiday, building enormous quarantine hospitals in days’ time, and ramping up 24-hour manufacturing of medical equipment—are indeed gargantuan. It’s impossible to watch them without wondering, “What would we do? How would my government respond if this virus spread across my country?”

For the United States, the answers are especially worrying because the government has intentionally rendered itself incapable. In 2018, the Trump administration fired the government’s entire pandemic response chain of command, including the White House management infrastructure. In numerous phone calls and emails with key agencies across the U.S. government, the only consistent response I encountered was distressed confusion. If the United States still has a clear chain of command for pandemic response, the White House urgently needs to clarify what it is, not just for the public but for the government itself, which largely finds itself in the dark.

When Ebola broke out in West Africa in 2014, President Barack Obama recognized that responding to the outbreak overseas, while also protecting Americans at home, involved multiple U.S. government departments and agencies, none of which were speaking to one another. Basically, the U.S. pandemic infrastructure was an enormous orchestra full of talented, egotistical players, each jockeying for solos and fame, refusing to rehearse, and demanding higher salaries—all without a conductor. To bring order and harmony to the chaos, rein in the agency egos, and create a coherent multiagency response overseas and on the homefront, Obama anointed a former vice presidential staffer, Ronald Klain, as a sort of “epidemic czar” inside the White House, clearly stipulated the roles and budgets of various agencies, and placed incident commanders in charge in each Ebola-hit country and inside the United States. The orchestra may have still had its off-key instruments, but it played the same tune.

Building on the Ebola experience, the Obama administration set up a permanent epidemic monitoring and command group inside the White House National Security Council (NSC) and another in the Department of Homeland Security (DHS)—both of which followed the scientific and public health leads of the National Institutes of Health (NIH) and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and the diplomatic advice of the State Department.
Trump Has Sabotaged America’s Coronavirus Response
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So, the obvious question is why? Why dismantle the government's response chain of command to a potentially devastating health risk to the nation? Because it was Obama's initiative that created it. Perhaps that is why when Capt. Incompetence is asked about our preparedness he gives the kind of ignorant, vacuous answer he gives to so many complex issues, "we've got it under control." Really?
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The headquarters of the nation’s intelligence apparatus roiled with the ouster of the acting director Joseph Maguire and his replacement by a sharp partisan amid a dispute over Russian election interference. The Justice Department remained on edge with whispers of further resignations, including perhaps even that of Attorney General William P. Barr, after the president’s intervention in a case involving one of his friends. Witnesses from the impeachment inquiry into Mr. Trump have been summarily dismissed. Dozens of policy experts have been cleared out of the National Security Council staff as part of a restructuring that will mean fewer career professionals in range of the president. A deputy national security adviser dogged by innuendo about disloyalty was exiled to the Energy Department. A Trump appointee’s nomination for a top Treasury Department post was pulled. The No. 3 official at the Defense Department was shown the door.

And Johnny McEntee, a 29-year-old loyalist just installed to take over the Office of Presidential Personnel and reporting directly to Mr. Trump, has ordered a freeze on all political appointments across the government. He also convened a meeting to instruct departments to search for people not devoted to the president so they can be removed, according to people briefed about the session, and informed colleagues that he planned to tell cabinet secretaries that the White House would be choosing their deputies from now on.

But career professionals are not the only ones in the cross hairs. Also facing scrutiny are Republican political appointees considered insufficiently committed to the president or suspected of not aggressively advancing his agenda.
Allies of the president say he should be free to make personnel changes, even if it amounts to shedding people who are not seen as loyal to Mr. Trump.
“It is not unusual at all that these types of assessments are done and thereafter changes are made,” said Bradley A. Blakeman, a Republican strategist and former White House official under President George W. Bush.
Nonetheless, the tumult and anxiety come at a time when the Trump administration confronts enormous challenges, including the coronavirus outbreak, Iranian and North Korean nuclear development and Russian determination to play a role again in America’s next election. Democrats, for example, have expressed concerns about the administration’s ability to respond if there were a severe coronavirus outbreak in the United States, noting that a global health security expert position on the National Security Council has been left vacant for almost two years.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/22/us/politics/trump-disloyalty-turnover.html

Yes he has!

 

[LordBrownTrout]

China CREATES a biological weapon and loses control of it.

Leave it to the loons to find a pretzel path to Trump.

Wow, then they are very bad at it because the mortality rate isn't very good for a weapon.

The best viruses have a mortality rate of 10-15 percent. This one is hovering around 11 percent and is easily transmissible. Ebola, ebola zaire, marburg, hemorrhagic fever viruses have anywhere from a 50-90 percent mortality rate but aren't really effective weapons since transmission is more difficult.

 

[berg80]

I realize that the reality of the situation as documented in the OP has caused cognitive dissonance among Trumpette's because people in cults see their leader as infallible. But the evidence speaks for itself.

 

[Aldo Raine]

China CREATES a biological weapon and loses control of it.

Leave it to the loons to find a pretzel path to Trump.

Wow, then they are very bad at it because the mortality rate isn't very good for a weapon.

The best viruses have a mortality rate of 10-15 percent. This one is hovering around 11 percent and is easily transmissible. Ebola, ebola zaire, marburg, hemorrhagic fever viruses have anywhere from a 50-90 percent mortality rate but aren't really effective weapons since transmission is more difficult.

If they have weaponized it they have done an incredibly poor job don't you think, ya never mind.