Trump Has Not Expanded His Base

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One big difference between 2016 and 2020 is that there are far fewer undecided voters. And thus far, they’re all moving towards Biden.

In the final RCP average of polls in 2016, Trump was at 43.6%. Today, Trump is at - ready for this - 43.6%! That’s pretty remarkable.

In 2016, Hillary was at 46.8%. Today, Biden is at 51.4%, a +4.5% swing from 2016.

In 2016, both candidates captured some of the undecideds, so their vote totals were higher than their polls. And Trump captured about 60% of them.

Today, only about 4% of the electorate remains undecided, and that includes at the state level. So Trump is in trouble.


Trump Tards will ignore all the numbers (including abysmal fund raising) and on election night when they lose they will blame illegal aliens voting, which they won' be able to prove, and Democrats cheating with mail in ballots, which they also won't be able to prove.
 

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One big difference between 2016 and 2020 is that there are far fewer undecided voters. And thus far, they’re all moving towards Biden.

In the final RCP average of polls in 2016, Trump was at 43.6%. Today, Trump is at - ready for this - 43.6%! That’s pretty remarkable.

In 2016, Hillary was at 46.8%. Today, Biden is at 51.4%, a +4.5% swing from 2016.

In 2016, both candidates captured some of the undecideds, so their vote totals were higher than their polls. And Trump captured about 60% of them.

Today, only about 4% of the electorate remains undecided, and that includes at the state level. So Trump is in trouble.


Trump Tards will ignore all the numbers (including abysmal fund raising) and on election night when they lose they will blame illegal aliens voting, which they won' be able to prove, and Democrats cheating with mail in ballots, which they also won't be able to prove.
We'll just ignore you for now.

See you on November 3rd

You pissforbrains don't remember how he litterally eschewed fund raising in 2016.

Morons.
 
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"Today, only about 4% of the electorate remains undecided, and that includes at the state level. So Trump is in trouble"
Do the math. Add up Biden's and Trump's polls and it comes to ~94%. Roughly 2% will vote 3rd-party. That means 4% are undecided. Trump is losing by more than the number of voters who are undecided. That means Trump is in trouble.
 

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Even so it's going to be close. How that can be just blows my mind. Democrats were complacent in 2016. Somehow sure Americans were not dumb enough to elect such a horrible man. Hopefully they will never underestimate our collective stupidity again.
Biden has centered his election on winning Pennsylvania, Michigan and Wisconsin.

Three states ignored by Hillary
Then why was he in Minnesota yesterday?
A better question would be why did the democrat leadership try and silence Trump in his rallies? Trump went out and visited with the people the democrats refused to let into Trumps rally (and they were pissed off). They did horrible damage to themselves by this stunt.. They will pay at the ballot box severely in MN.
 

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The swamp doesn't get it, Trump is just the peoples way of saying they are fed up with government assholes.
44% of the people.

And Biden is the people's (51%) way of saying they are fed up with Trump.
LOL..

There was approximatly 8% undecided and Trump just won them with the stunt they pulled...
 

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You pissforbrains don't remember how he litterally eschewed fund raising in 2016.
Pretty untrue. Trump fundraised a lot in 2016. His campaign was minimally self funded. The vast majority of his campaign was funded off donors that he was perfectly happy to have. Interestingly, the money he used to fund his campaign looks awfully suspicious for money laundering as it came from a long term business associate abruptly and without much explanation.

Either way; this time, Trump doesn’t have much in the way of liquid assets so self funding wasn’t as viable in any circumstance. He raised a lot of money this time from voters and big donors. However, most of the money was completely wasted on needless luxuries, on fundraising itself, and of course kickbacks to Trump by excessive spending at his own properties.

Trump’s campaign is horribly mismanaged.
 

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You pissforbrains don't remember how he litterally eschewed fund raising in 2016.
Pretty untrue. Trump fundraised a lot in 2016. His campaign was minimally self funded. The vast majority of his campaign was funded off donors that he was perfectly happy to have. Interestingly, the money he used to fund his campaign looks awfully suspicious for money laundering as it came from a long term business associate abruptly and without much explanation.

Either way; this time, Trump doesn’t have much in the way of liquid assets so self funding wasn’t as viable in any circumstance. He raised a lot of money this time from voters and big donors. However, most of the money was completely wasted on needless luxuries, on fundraising itself, and of course kickbacks to Trump by excessive spending at his own properties.

Trump’s campaign is horribly mismanaged.
Yeah, yeah...we've heard this tripe before. Along with all the "free air time" bullshit.

Wow...horribly mismanaged and he's still going to beat your ass.

Not that I am a fan of either one when it comes to the campaigns they've run. But Trump is doing much much better than the petrified piece of shit.
 

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You pissforbrains don't remember how he litterally eschewed fund raising in 2016.
Pretty untrue. Trump fundraised a lot in 2016. His campaign was minimally self funded. The vast majority of his campaign was funded off donors that he was perfectly happy to have. Interestingly, the money he used to fund his campaign looks awfully suspicious for money laundering as it came from a long term business associate abruptly and without much explanation.

Either way; this time, Trump doesn’t have much in the way of liquid assets so self funding wasn’t as viable in any circumstance. He raised a lot of money this time from voters and big donors. However, most of the money was completely wasted on needless luxuries, on fundraising itself, and of course kickbacks to Trump by excessive spending at his own properties.

Trump’s campaign is horribly mismanaged.
Yeah, yeah...we've heard this tripe before. Along with all the "free air time" bullshit.

Wow...horribly mismanaged and he's still going to beat your ass.

Not that I am a fan of either one when it comes to the campaigns they've run. But Trump is doing much much better than the petrified piece of shit.
Sorry, but it’s the truth. Trump’s campaign has wasted a ton of money.

It’s hardly surprising though. That’s sort of how Trump’s lived his life. But eventually the facade falls and you realize they haven’t actually built much with the cash they’ve been given.
 

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Hard to believe how gullible Conservatives are when Trump says......Trust me, not the media
Trump is simply a flamboyant extension of talk radio, and the rubes have been under their control for decades. So this wasn't exactly a massive undertaking on Trump's part. He just tapped into an existing group pathology and took advantage of it.
 
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Even so it's going to be close. How that can be just blows my mind. Democrats were complacent in 2016. Somehow sure Americans were not dumb enough to elect such a horrible man. Hopefully they will never underestimate our collective stupidity again.
True.

It’s going to be close because there’s a great deal of fear, ignorance, hate, and stupidity among those voting for Trump.

There are also emboldened bigots and racists voting for Trump.

There are Trump voters who think of themselves as ‘pragmatists’ – they know Trump is unfit to be president but will vote for Trump anyway because they agree with him on the issues.

There are the single-issue Trump voters – ‘ban’ abortion, ban same-sex marriage, ‘guns,’ pack the Supreme Court with more conservative ideologues.

There are the social right and Christian fundamentalists voting for Trump.

And of course the true-believer Trump cult member.
 

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"Today, only about 4% of the electorate remains undecided, and that includes at the state level. So Trump is in trouble"
Do the math. Add up Biden's and Trump's polls and it comes to ~94%. Roughly 2% will vote 3rd-party. That means 4% are undecided. Trump is losing by more than the number of voters who are undecided. That means Trump is in trouble.
I said there are more factors at play, you said you didn't interpret the data. I showed you did interpret the data and you defended your interpretation. Noted.

As I said, there are other factors. You're going by national numbers. And there aren't just "shy" Trump voters, but many of us hate pollsters as they are mostly part of the left media. To lower cost and increase the speed of polling, they build a lot of assumptions in their models. Those assumptions fall apart under Trump. So many people don't follow historical voting patterns. If it weren't for blue collar Democrats, he wouldn't be President.

You present a complex situation over simplistically
 

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Even so it's going to be close. How that can be just blows my mind. Democrats were complacent in 2016. Somehow sure Americans were not dumb enough to elect such a horrible man. Hopefully they will never underestimate our collective stupidity again.
True.

It’s going to be close because there’s a great deal of fear, ignorance, hate, and stupidity among those voting for Trump.

There are also emboldened bigots and racists voting for Trump.

There are Trump voters who think of themselves as ‘pragmatists’ – they know Trump is unfit to be president but will vote for Trump anyway because they agree with him on the issues.

There are the single-issue Trump voters – ‘ban’ abortion, ban same-sex marriage, ‘guns,’ pack the Supreme Court with more conservative ideologues.

There are the social right and Christian fundamentalists voting for Trump.

And of course the true-believer Trump cult member.
Yeah, smart people are Marxists. Gotcha, Vladimir
 

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One big difference between 2016 and 2020 is that there are far fewer undecided voters. And thus far, they’re all moving towards Biden.

In the final RCP average of polls in 2016, Trump was at 43.6%. Today, Trump is at - ready for this - 43.6%! That’s pretty remarkable.

In 2016, Hillary was at 46.8%. Today, Biden is at 51.4%, a +4.5% swing from 2016.

In 2016, both candidates captured some of the undecideds, so their vote totals were higher than their polls. And Trump captured about 60% of them.

Today, only about 4% of the electorate remains undecided, and that includes at the state level. So Trump is in trouble.


The weird thing is, he never even TRIED to expand his base. This has been a 100% talk radio presidency, and we're all just supposed to see how wonderful it was and fall in line.

They've somehow been conditioned to have zero (0) understanding or curiosity of the perceptions, experiences and priorities that exist outside of their tightly-controlled world.
Trump is most comfortable with those who adore him.
Expanding his base would mean dealing with those who question what he does.
It also would mean Trump could no longer be Trump.

To expand his base Trump would have to be more than just a demagogue, fear-monger, and con artist.

It would mean Trump must possess actual political acumen, along with compassion and empathy – all of which Trump lacks.

It wasn’t a matter of Trump refusing to expand his base, it was a matter of Trump being incapable of expanding his base.
 

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It's hard to understand why people still believe and quote the media, all proven liars.
Hard to believe how gullible Conservatives are when Trump says......Trust me, not the media
You can ONLY be a liar or an idiot.
Coming from someone who believes everything Trump says
You must be mistaking me for someone else or you are determined to prove you're a liar.

But hey, tomorrow Trump is president for 25 hours, enjoy, shill.

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