Trump can end fraudulent birthright citizenship bestowed on illegals offspring

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

You just made that up. Why must you make up stuff about our Constitution?

Scotus interpreted it as such. That you disagree is meaningless.

 

[johnwk]

Scotus interpreted it as such. That you disagree is meaningless.

Our Supreme Court has never found that the offspring of an illegal entrant foreign national born on American soil is a citizen of the United States upon birth.

But hey, you can make stuff up all day long, but you cannot change the truth and facts to what they are not.

 

[johnwk]

There is nothing on birthright law that allows the President to administratively end it.

Our President most certainly can change current "policy".

See: Here’s how Pres. Trump can end Birthright Citizenship… scroll to “Using Administrative Authority”.

 

[frigidweirdo]

You just made that up. Why must you make up stuff about our Constitution?

Maybe you can't read, or maybe you never saw the 14th Amendment, or maybe you're just being dishonest, or maybe all of them

"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside."

 

[johnwk]

Maybe you can't read, or maybe you never saw the 14th Amendment, or maybe you're just being dishonest, or maybe all of them

"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside."

Well, I see you finally posted the qualifier "...and subject to the jurisdiction thereof...".

So, your original assertion "... if you're born in the borders of the USA, the Constitution says you're a citizen ..." was not true after all.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Well, I see you finally posted the qualifier "...and subject to the jurisdiction thereof...".

So, your original assertion "... if you're born in the borders of the USA, the Constitution says you're a citizen ..." was not true after all.

Well, if you THINK ABOUT IT, then you'll see the problem.

Imagine I was born in the US to Chinese parents. I don't live in the USA. Therefore your argument is "you're not a US citizen". Fine.

However if I get on a plane and land on US soil, all of a sudden I'm a US citizen.

So, if I'm in the US and I was born in the US I can get a US passport

If I was born in the US, but I'm not in the US and I have a US passport, are they going to take that passport away from me? No, they're not.

The problem there is you can't take citizenship away from people.

Citizenship & Nationality

N.B.: Although the terms nationality and citizenship technically have two distinct meanings, international human rights courts and advocates at times use the two terms interchangeably. OVERVIEW The…

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"The right to a nationality is of paramount importance to the realization of other fundamental human rights. Possession of a nationality carries with it the diplomatic protection of the country of nationality and is also often a legal or practical requirement for the exercise of fundamental rights. "

Essentially international law says you can't take away citizenship.

Certainly you can't take away citizenship from anyone who actually lives in the US.

The next problem is, how do you find out whether someone lives in the US or not? The US simply doesn't have that level of information.

China does. China knows who is in their country, who isn't in their country, what their address is, etc etc etc, because they love bureaucracy. But the US doesn't.

So, it'd cost an absolute fortune to figure it out, and for what?

 

[Picaro]

You go back that far you will be deporting successful business men and women that own businesses, not to mention the many good doctor's and all been contributing to society here in the U.S.

Get rid of illegal aliens and their anchor babies and we wouldn't need as many doctors and need fewer hospitals as well in the first place, dufus.

 

[johnwk]

Well, if you THINK ABOUT IT, then you'll see the problem.

The only "problem" was your original assertion "... if you're born in the borders of the USA, the Constitution says you're a citizen ..." was not true after all.

 

[frigidweirdo]

The only "problem" was your original assertion "... if you're born in the borders of the USA, the Constitution says you're a citizen ..." was not true after all.

Well look who wants to be a pedantic [insert insult of choice] who isn't interested in a proper, grown up conversation.

bye

 

[johnwk]

Well look who wants to be a pedantic [insert insult of choice] who isn't interested in a proper, grown up conversation.

bye

Oh, but I am interested in a grown-up conversation, and that is why I corrected your misrepresentation.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Our President most certainly can change current "policy".

See: Here’s how Pres. Trump can end Birthright Citizenship… scroll to “Using Administrative Authority”.

It's law, johnwk, not policy. Trump will not write it out of existence.

 

[lafayette]

Well, I see you finally posted the qualifier "...and subject to the jurisdiction thereof...".

So, your original assertion "... if you're born in the borders of the USA, the Constitution says you're a citizen ..." was not true after all.

Anybody on our soil, unless a foreign diplomat, is subject to our jurisdiction.

 

[debbiedowner]

Get rid of illegal aliens and their anchor babies and we wouldn't need as many doctors and need fewer hospitals as well in the first place, dufus.

I responded to a post that said go back to the 70's and deport illegals and anchor babies. Well, those illegal's that gave birth to those so called anchor babies are more than likely dead and a good majority of the so called anchor babies contributed to our society and many successful. So you are the fucking dufus that wants to go back that far. Maybe we should deport fucking stupid people like yourself.

 

[johnwk]

Anybody on our soil, unless a foreign diplomat, is subject to our jurisdiction.

Now within the meaning of the 1st Section of the 14th Amendment.

 

[johnwk]

It's law, johnwk, not policy. Trump will not write it out of existence.

Quote the wording of the law verbatim and cite the source.

 

[lafayette]

Quote the wording of the law verbatim and cite the source.

Why? It's been given above over and beyond. You (all you do) say it is policy without any evidence.

 

[johnwk]

Why? It's been given above over and beyond. You (all you do) say it is policy without any evidence.

The evidence is, neither you nor anyone else can quote the wording of a federal statute and give its citation, under which the offspring of an illegal entrant foreign national born on American soil is granted United States citizenship upon birth.

The fact is, existing policy, not law, recognizes the offspring of an illegal entrant foreign national born on American soil as a citizen of the United States upon birth.

The good news is, Trump can change that policy with a stroke of his pen.

See: Here’s how Pres. Trump can end Birthright Citizenship… scroll to “Using Administrative Authority”.

 

[lafayette]

johnwk, we don't have to prove anything.

You are the one challenging the law, and all you have is an argument about policy.

Nobody is going to care.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

John, you have an argument with no proof.

 

[johnwk]

johnwk, we don't have to prove anything.

Of course you don't. Because you don't have any law you can cite.