Be specific. What level of gender affirming medical care do they need at what age?
If a parent decides that the level of gender affirming medical care you recommend is not appropriate for their child, does the government have a role in intervening?
I think you have a point about that. Being judgmental and hateful toward a person who questions their sexuality, or gender, or some combination is not helpful to them, not at all. I can't imagine an articulable moral system or standard by which we should ridicule people who have gender dysphoria. They have a mental disorder, and deserve our support and yes - thoughts and prayers.
What they do not need if for agendized health care professionals to encourage them to make their mental disorder the central fact of their lives, instead of offering therapy for them to become happier and better adjusted.
What is needed is referral to counselors and psychologists who are not caught up in the trans agenda and who will not automatically feed them into the sex reassignment industry, without trying to help them accept their bodies as they are.
Ironic that trans activists demand that we accept them as they are, when their whole movement is based on them not accepting themselves as the are.
As for sex reassignment as a way to prevent suicides, and improve other mental health outcomes, the data says that does not work:
Results
The overall mortality for sex-reassigned persons was higher during follow-up (aHR 2.8; 95% CI 1.8–4.3) than for controls of the same birth sex, particularly death from suicide (aHR 19.1; 95% CI 5.8–62.9). Sex-reassigned persons also had an increased risk for suicide attempts (aHR 4.9; 95% CI 2.9–8.5) and psychiatric inpatient care (aHR 2.8; 95% CI 2.0–3.9). Comparisons with controls matched on reassigned sex yielded similar results. Female-to-males, but not male-to-females, had a higher risk for criminal convictions than their respective birth sex controls.
Conclusions
Persons with transsexualism, after sex reassignment, have considerably higher risks for mortality, suicidal behaviour, and psychiatric morbidity than the general population. Our findings suggest that sex reassignment, although alleviating gender dysphoria, may not suffice as treatment for transsexualism, and should inspire improved psychiatric and somatic care after sex reassignment for this patient group.
The treatment for transsexualism is sex reassignment, including hormonal treatment and surgery aimed at making the person's body as congruent with the opposite sex as possible. There is a dearth of long term, follow-up studies after sex ...
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Results
Out of 5107 trans women (median age at first visit 28 years, median follow‐up time 10 years) and 3156 trans men (median age at first visit 20 years, median follow‐up time 5 years), 41 trans women and 8 trans men died by suicide. In trans women, suicide deaths decreased over time, while it did not change in trans men. Of all suicide deaths, 14 people were no longer in treatment, 35 were in treatment in the previous two years. The mean number of suicides in the years 2013–2017 was higher in the trans population compared with the Dutch population.
Conclusions
We observed no increase in suicide death risk over time and even a decrease in suicide death risk in trans women. However, the suicide risk in transgender people is higher than in the general population and seems to occur during every stage of transitioning. It is important to have specific attention for suicide risk in the counseling of this population and in providing suicide prevention programs.
This study explored the overall suicide death rate, the incidence over time, and the stage in transition where suicide deaths were observed in transgender people. A chart study, including all 8263 referrals to our clinic since 1972. Information on ...
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A study was once published in the American Journal of Psychiatry which appeared to support the idea of mental health benefits associated with transgender surgery. Unfortunately, those findings were in error and were corrected by the same publication:
In October 2019, the American Journal of Psychiatry (AJP) published a study from the Karolinska Institute in Sweden, and the Yale School of Public Health which reported that “gender-affirming" surgeries for gender dysphoric patients are associated with improved mental health outcomes (1). Looking at mental health utilization in the year 2015, a retrospective analysis showed that the more time passed since surgery, the fewer mental services were utilized by patients, with an average 8% reduction in mental health utilization for each year following surgery. From this, the study concluded that surgery has a beneficial effect on mental health, and that benefits continue to accrue over time. However, following a reanalysis of the data, this conclusion has now been officially corrected to indicate that there is “no advantage of surgery.”
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Vigorous Debate Leads to Correction of Key Finding
After the study was published, many researchers and scientists (including some SEGM advisors) alerted the AJP to multiple serious methodological problems that challenged the study’s conclusion. In response, the AJP editor requested an independent statistical review of the data, which led to a reanalysis of the data and an official correction (2,3). When gender dysphoric patients who received surgeries were compared to those who did not have surgeries, there was no statistically significant difference in their mental health utilization (Figure 1).
Nine months after the study’s original publication, the AJP stated, “the results [of the reanalysis] demonstrated no advantage of surgery in relation to subsequent mood or anxiety disorder-related health care visits or prescriptions or hospitalizations following suicide attempts” (2).
In October 2019, the American Journal of Psychiatry (AJP) published a study from the Karolinska Institute in Sweden, and the Yale School of Public Health which reported that “gender-affirming" surgeries for gender dysphoric patients are associated with improved mental health outcomes (1)...
Mental health and Suicide? What is not being address is the underlying cause of poor mental health outcomes. The degree of bigotry, riddicule and marginalization might provide a clue
So, Chloe at 16 (around where she got her breasts removed) was an adult? By what standard? Do you agree with a girl doing that at such a young age? You do know that kids' attitudes can change greatly by the time they become adults and on their own? Yes? No?
No Bubba! They are not heros of the left. I am an avowed leftist/ liberal/ progessive/ defender of LGBT rights but I do think that sometimes these things go to far, to fast , as may have been the case here.
On the other hand you people go to far in the opposite direction b y failing to understand that these kids are struggling with gender identity issues, and need emotional support and some level of gender affirming medical care. Too often the response from conservatives is that we should ignore it, and tell them to just get over it. That does not work. That is when the feel alone and rejected and then kill themslves in despair
I remember back in the day that a man was a man and a woman was a woman. But then the 60s came in, and screwed the pooch for everyone. When you allow mentally ill people to roam amongst normal people, then eventually the normal people get really irritated with the government, that allows the insane to be free.
When I was a kid, I saw "Christine" Jorgenson chatting up Joe Pyne and Dave Susskind on TV, talking about he was a "broad" as he had some quack chop his penis off.
But Jorgenson was a full grown adult man, a WW2 veteran. If dressing up in ladies' clothes is what he wants to do, that's one thing.
Generally, the government should not be making medical decisions for anyone unless those decisions are clearly harmful. I support a ban on irreversible medical intervention for minors
A German pop singer has become the world's youngest transsexual after she underwent Gender Reassignment Surgery in November, she has revealed in her blog.
But if this did happen it was wrong and goes against the best practices guidlines and defies common sense. since we know that a percentage of trans kids do change their minds. As a liberal and supporter of trans right, I also thing that this should not happen
Pubert blockers until the young person is able to make an informed decision. Generally, the government should not be making medical decisions for anyone unless those decisions are clearly harmful. I support a ban on irreversible medical intervention for minors
Um, no. Delaying puberty is just as harmful as surgery can be. You can stop the blockers, but you can't get the development you blocked back.
The only thing reversible about blockers is once they are out of your system, puberty may be able to continue/begin, you still lose the developmental time you blocked.
Pubert blockers until the young person is able to make an informed decision. Generally, the government should not be making medical decisions for anyone unless those decisions are clearly harmful. I support a ban on irreversible medical intervention for minors
A German pop singer has become the world's youngest transsexual after she underwent Gender Reassignment Surgery in November, she has revealed in her blog.
Mental health and Suicide? What is not being address is the underlying cause of poor mental health outcomes. The degree of bigotry, riddicule and marginalization might provide a clue
PP thinks the default response should be to encourage their dysphoria or fetish, instead of trying to help them come to terms with their own body, and only resort to surgery and drugs as a last resort.
He's an idiot then, talking out of school. The consequences of hormonal suppression extend beyond just the development of sexual characteristics.
Playing Almighty God and jerking around with people's hormones can **** them up under the best of circumstances. And when being monitored by a physician stupid enough to do "transitions", it has to have worse outcomes.
Um, no. Delaying puberty is just as harmful as surgery can be. You can stop the blockers, but you can't get the development you blocked back.
The only thing reversible about blockers is once they are out of your system, puberty may be able to continue/begin, you still lose the developmental time you blocked.
He's an idiot then, talking out of school. The consequences of hormonal suppression extend beyond just the development of sexual characteristics.
Playing Almighty God and jerking around with people's hormones can **** them up under the best of circumstances. And when being monitored by a physician stupid enough to do "transitions", it has to have worse outcomes.
Do puberty blockers have permanent effects?
There are no known irreversible effects of puberty blockers. If you decide to stop taking them, your body will go through puberty just the way it would have if you had not taken puberty blockers at all. Puberty blockers are considered to be very safe overall. PubertyBlockers: Types, Benefits, And Side Effects
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Mental health and Suicide? What is not being address is the underlying cause of poor mental health outcomes. The degree of bigotry, riddicule and marginalization might provide a clue
Do you think that maybe people who obsess about people who identify as a gender other than that which they were assigned-when other peoples gender identity is none of their damned business- could be mentally ill
Do you think that maybe people who obsess about people who identify as a gender other than that which they were assigned-when other peoples gender identity is none of their damned business- could be mentally ill
When a mentally ill person demands that I join them in their delusional fantasy by referring to them as "they" or "she" if they have a penis, then they make it my business. You crazy fuckers are the ones forcing it.
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