Totally On Brand Trump Fails and Gives Up: "US to Abandoned Peace Talks"

[martybegan]

The total collapse of the Soviet Union in 1991. The fundamental factors that contributed to collapse, including economic stagnation and the overextension of the military, were rooted in Soviet policies, but the Cold War and the U.S. policy of containment played a role as well.

The current Russian government aren't the Soviets. I doubt they have the level of lying about economic matters at all levels that led to the Soviet Collapse.

You have fallen into the trap of fighting the current war like the last war.

Ask Europe how that works.

 

[Meathead]

I'll bet even his rubes knew he was bullshitting about all of those things.

He insults people and he breaks people. That's what they care about.

Give it a rest. You had already been broken.

 

[citygator]

Then let Europe cut off all buying of Russian Oil and Gas first.

They can do it any time they want to, it's spring now so heating isn't the issue it was during the winter.

I dont disagree. They applied price caps. Probably not low enough. Poland and the Baltics wanted lower.

 

[martybegan]

I dont agree. Troops dont win wars anymore.

Then what the hell is going on in Ukraine?

 

[buckeye]

Ukraine refused to surrender and Trump had a tantrum.
Putin told Trump to go fuk himself and Trump just sits there

The tantrum was all Zelinsky's you uninformed nutcase. He agreed to sign the deeply negotiated contract but then reneged 3 times. He can fight his war himself.

 

[martybegan]

I dont disagree. They applied price caps. Probably not low enough. Poland and the Baltics wanted lower.

It just shows the half assed way Europe wants to fight this.

 

[eagle1462010]

I dont agree. Troops dont win wars anymore.

Baloney. Our forces could take that place no problem, but it would be Nuclear War in the end. That is why we have never fought directly.

And MILITARILY Russia is securing the Black Sea. Sorry if you cant see that Strategically it makes Sense.

 

[citygator]

Then what the hell is going on in Ukraine?

Drones, planes, missiles, bombs, tanks, ships.

 

[citygator]

Baloney. Our forces could take that place no problem, but it would be Nuclear War in the end. That is why we have never fought directly.

And MILITARILY Russia is securing the Black Sea. Sorry if you cant see that Strategically it makes Sense.

Forces yes. But not with a bunch of dudes with guns running at the enemy. Technology wins wars is all I was saying.

 

[martybegan]

Drones, planes, missiles, bombs, tanks, ships.

Run by troops, you fucking rube.

There are still infantrymen on the ground.

 

[citygator]

Run by troops, you fucking rube.

There are still infantrymen on the ground.

see post above. Tech wins wars. Not infantry.

 

[martybegan]

Forces yes. But not with a bunch of dudes with guns running at the enemy. Technology wins wars is all I was saying.

Actually technology is what is stalemating this one.

 

[SeaMajor7]

Ooooo, the NARRATIVE du jour has been issued.
LET'S DANCE!!!

 

[martybegan]

see post above. Tech wins wars. Not infantry.

And then who holds the ground you take?

You have the military ideas of a toddler.

 

[buckeye]

Dude sat in the White House with Trump telling him "you dont have the cards" give up!

Uh, no, that's what Trump said to Zelensky.

Do democrats ever know what they're talking about? This morning says absolutely not.

i suspect you wouldnt give up if Russia was at your doorstep either no matter what another nation did to support you or not.

I would never have insisted that I wanted Ukraine to join NATO after telling the world and Putin that this would never happen. Zelensky is getting what he wanted....a war with Russia.

The democrats and some republicans should be forced to fight it with him for their support of this stupid lying.

 

[citygator]

Ooooo, the NARRATIVE du jour has been issued.
LET'S DANCE!!!

Maybe you're right. This is all going just like he laid out during the campaign. He called for a stock market crash, a GDP plummet, and the need to give up on peace. What were we all thinking?

 

[eagle1462010]

Drones, planes, missiles, bombs, tanks, ships.

All of which Russia has advantage over Ukraine We fed and feed Ukraine too slowly to change that.

Russia has never gone to total War either because it fears NATO getting into it.

They took specific property for a reason. They are not after all of Ukraine.

 

[Correll]

Tougher restrictions? Yea. I would.

So, what's the problem? Trump tried for peace, russia refused, back to sanctions and war, just like you wanted.

 

[Harry Dresden]

All of which Russia has advantage over Ukraine We fed and feed Ukraine too slowly to change that.

Russia has never gone to total War either because it fears NATO getting into it.

They took specific property for a reason. They are not after all of Ukraine.

so why cant the mighty UN get this thing under control?..

 

[sparky]

The tantrum was all Zelinsky's you uninformed nutcase. He agreed to sign the deeply negotiated contract but then reneged 3 times. He can fight his war himself.

Defunding and or negotiating the funding of the conflict essentially ended Mr Z's reign

Juxtaposed to......w/out the USofA in NATO, they're no more than a paper tiger who would be wise to realize their standing behind Mr Z is futility

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