Top 3 myths about Ronald Reagan

[bigrebnc1775]

Wasn't he a Union Leader too?

Yep and defended communist actors.

but that all changed when he married into Nancy's money.

Kinda like marrying a Ketchup or Beer heiress.

McCain married into $ too He aint from Arizona

And Hillary Clinton isn't from New York

 

[uscitizen]

And Jeb Bush ain't from Florida.

 

[mudwhistle]

And Jeb Bush ain't from Florida.

Do you think Jeb moved to Florida just so he could win an election?

That's why Hillary moved to New York.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Oh yeah. Nancy was running the show for awhile. She wouldn't let anyone near him.

And yet the neo-cons still follow him all starry eyed.

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Strange how the ones now who say they are not neocons still worship Reagan the founder of the modern day neocons.

What's a neocon?
Is it something bad?
Why?

 

[uscitizen]

And Jeb Bush ain't from Florida.

Do you think Jeb moved to Florida just so he could win an election?

That's why Hillary moved to New York.

Yep that is why Jeb moved down there. I lived there then.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

And Jeb Bush ain't from Florida.

Do you think Jeb moved to Florida just so he could win an election?

That's why Hillary moved to New York.

Clinton moved to New York because she knew she was toast in Arkansa.

 

[uscitizen]

And Jeb Bush ain't from Florida.

Do you think Jeb moved to Florida just so he could win an election?

That's why Hillary moved to New York.

Clinton moved to New York because she knew she was toast in Arkansa.

Yep, Your point being?

 

[whitehall]

What is it with libs these days? Don't they know Reagan hasn't been president for over two decades? Did democrats offer myths about William McKinley during FDR's term?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Reagan replaced the concentrated power of government with the concentrated power of corporations. He put profit in charge of the country. He told us that if you take care of profit -- if you make the individual pursuit of profit the primary engine of society - than the public good will take care of itself - it will trickle down as the residual effect of free competition. Excellence will be rewarded, laziness punished. Move government out of the way so that innovative men like Steve Jobs and Bill Gates can bestow progress and material abundance on the masses. A rising tide...

I have a question for Reaganism - one that never gets seriously asked.

Reagan tells us that world is made of two substances: Government and freedom. INDEED: Move government out of the way, and freedom will blossom.

INDEED: Move government out of the way and Carnegie will give us cheaper steel - which will lead to cheaper costs across industries, which will trickle down into cheaper prices and material gains for all. Indeed, there will be no need for the welfare state because capitalism will lift boats higher than any incompetent bureaucrat ever could.

So we listened to the siren song of Reaganomics. We believed that if we moved government out of the way - if we divested in the middle class in order to give tax breaks to the wealthy - if we favored share holders over average workers - if we deregulated derivative markets and mortgage lending practices - than we would unleash the productive power of capital. Indeed, let innovators innovate! "Yes", the Right screams passionately, "Washington has no business telling Wall Street professionals what to do. Let the financial geniuses innovate! Let them deliver prosperity to all!"

So we listened. We got out of energy, health care, and financial markets.

The Reagan Revolution (supported by both parties, especially Clinton) got government out of energy.

The Reagan Revolution got government out of health care.

The Reagan Revolution got government out of financial markets.

And now we have crusty dysfunctional monopolies over our major delivery systems. Worse: we keep having to bail out the "free" market because Reagan forgot to tell us about the corruption of too-big-to-fail monopolies. (The right NEVER talks about Reagan's merger-mania which allowed corporations to buy the competition so they didn't have to compete) The country is now run on behalf of Eli Lilly and Goldman Sachs. This was Reagan's dream. Move government out of the way so that creative business people could run the economy. Welcome to it.

Here is what Reagan forgot to tell us about the profit motive. Here is what he forgot to tell us about a world where business runs government.

Sometimes the profit motive leads men to bribe politicians, scientists, and regulators. Sometimes it leads men to bribe politicians to crush energy competition. Sometimes it leads men to bribe politicians to crush drug competition. Sometimes it leads men to bribe politicians to create a no-compete Health Care system where a small handful of companies control pre-defined territories. Sometimes it leads men to buy television and radio and internet information systems so that they can cover up their monopolized control of the economy. Sometimes it turns politics into a pay to play nightmare where corporations bribe both parties to do their bidding, than they pay TV & Radio personalities to lie about who really controls Washington.

(Why did the Reagan Revolution only tell one side of the story?)

(Why did Reagan tell us that freedom would emerge if we moved government out of the way?)

(Why didn't he tell us that corporations would form there own centralized control over the economy and politics? - a system where health care profits would continue to rise, but coverage would decrease (because the profit motive leads to the capture of the regulatory system, for the purpose of crushing competition). - a system where energy costs would continue to rise, but innovation in non-petroleum technology would be crushed. Why didn't Reagan warn us that the profit motive might lead to the anti-competitive monopolization of the American economy? )

The American Right has been lied to. They've only been told one side of the profit motive. For every Steve Jobs there is a corrupt derivative trader - both motivated by profit.

Do Republicans know the story of the 2003 Drug Bill - where Big Business and Big Government worked together to tie the American tax payer to monopolized drug costs, whereby the government had to pay above market costs for drugs which were protected from foreign competition?

(Why are Republicans never told about how corporations have created a more corrupt and more centralized and more anti-competitive economy than Big Government Liberals ever dreamed?)

(Why has the Republican base been so thoroughly fooled into not seeing the Big Business takeover of the country?)

(What if there is no "Big Government"? What if Big Business and their share holders control elections and staff government?)

(How come the Right doesn't know that there are two John Gaults? -one who creates life-saving medicine, and one who bribes government so he doesn't have to compete, so he doesn't have to take the risk of re-investment, so he is protected by monopoly control of his market.)

(Why does the Right not know both sides of the story? Why do they have such a simplistic view of the profit motive? Why does the right not know how big oil captured Reagan in the 80s and suppressed alternative energy competition - thereby tying us to rising energy costs and a future of never-ending oil-based recessions...????)

(Why has the Right been so thoroughly fooled by only one side of the profit motive?)

Why does the Right not know the truth about Reagan? He didn't move government out of the way on behalf of freedom; rather, he just replaced the concentrated power of government (which gave us a powerful middle class consumer) with the concentrated power of corporations (which gave us dysfunctional monopolies).

Reagan gave us the concentrated power of corporations - and he called it freedom.

if we divested in the middle class in order to give tax breaks to the wealthy

Divested in the middle class?

Where did we do that?

Please be as specific as you can.

 

[Avorysuds]

1. He did not raise taxes.

2. He was for balanced budgets.

3. He was not impacted by altzheimers before he left office.

And that's why the crazy guy Ron Paul wrote him a letter saying he was leaving the party while so many of the other went on to become big Government spenders...

The more I listen to Ron Paul the more I like the fact that he's in Congress and not in the White House.

oook... And I give a fuck about what you think of RP because?

 

[Wicked Jester]

Reagan's one of the greats........You can always tell by the idiots who start stupid threads like these.

His greatness shows through, just by how the lib's keep whining about him.

 

[Wicked Jester]

1. He did not raise taxes.

2. He was for balanced budgets.

3. He was not impacted by altzheimers before he left office.

And that's why the crazy guy Ron Paul wrote him a letter saying he was leaving the party while so many of the other went on to become big Government spenders...

The more I listen to Ron Paul the more I like the fact that he's in Congress and not in the White House.

Amen to that!

Christ, once again, during the debate the other night he was asked about FEMA, and went off on one of his rambling nonsense laden rants, this time about removing air conditioners from Afghanistan.

The dude needs to stay in Congress where he does good things for his constituents. He in no way should ever be put on the world stage.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Do you think Jeb moved to Florida just so he could win an election?

That's why Hillary moved to New York.

Clinton moved to New York because she knew she was toast in Arkansa.

Yep, Your point being?

What was the point for mentioning that McCain was not from Arizona?

 

[uscitizen]

Clinton moved to New York because she knew she was toast in Arkansa.

Yep, Your point being?

What was the point for mentioning that McCain was not from Arizona?

That was someone else, I just responded to it.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Yep, Your point being?

What was the point for mentioning that McCain was not from Arizona?

That was someone else, I just responded to it.

And I just responded to it also. So there we are even

 

[Dot Com]

What is it with libs these days? Don't they know Reagan hasn't been president for over two decades? Did democrats offer myths about William McKinley during FDR's term?

Someone tell Bill Kristol, founder of the PNAC Project for the New American Century - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia , to stop bringing his name up at every opportunity on fauxn00z

 

[code1211]

What is it with libs these days? Don't they know Reagan hasn't been president for over two decades? Did democrats offer myths about William McKinley during FDR's term?

Someone tell Bill Kristol, founder of the PNAC Project for the New American Century - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia , to stop bringing his name up at every opportunity on fauxn00z

It would be less damaging to the Democrat Party if he spoke about Reagan instead of speaking about the Big 0.